Be grateful JFK got elected in 1960 instead of Nixon

[LA RAM FAN]

The only reason why the Cuban missile crisis occurred was because JFK projected an image of weakness and vacillation. If it had been Nixon, it never would have started.

oh brother, we would have had world war three had it been Dick Nixon in office .

why do people keep playing dodgeball not even bothering to read the post just what the thread title says and only come on with opinions instead of facts?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

JFK sent us into Vietnam. 57,000 dead Americans and tens of thousands more suffering with PTSD, all for nothing.

as usual.you demonstrate and prove your ignorance about american history as well as what really goes on in the country currently.

Like Bendog said,-
Actually, Ike tied us to the corrupt post-colonial govt.

Jfk inherited the vietnam war from Eisenhower fool.The TRUE history of vietnam that you dont hear from our corrupt public schools is in Eisenhowers last year in office,he drew up plans of military esculation for vietnam that was nearly implememted in final year.He was strongly anti communist and a war mongrel hawk.

Jfk was a man of world peace-"which you obviously dont want to see ever happen."

vietnam was on the backburner of his agenda while President with much more pressing needs like the congo,cuba ,berlin and establishing peaceful relations with the russians.

He believed in open diologue with other world leaders.That infuriated the establishment.

He resisted the plans drawn up by Eisenhower in his last year in office for all out war in vietnam that the military urged him to partake in.

Its a well known fact NOW with documents that were released through the freedom of information act in the 90's,that Kennedy drew up a document two months before his assassination that there would be a complete withdrawel of vietnam by all military personal by 1965.

Proof of what his two closest aides Dave Powers and Kenny O'donnel have said over the years,that he told them he would go down as the most unpopular president ever for pulling out of vietnam,but that he had to because he saw it as a lost war.

They said that he told them he could not do it till after the reelection in 64 because he had to look like he had a strong stance on communism.man you have been brainwashed.

Lyndon Johnson got in,and he reversed Kennedys policy just two days later after the assassination esculating the war with the phony gulf of tonkin incident.

He implemened the plans Eisenhower drew up for military esculation with covert wars by the CIA that Jfk resisted from the military brass.

oh and as far as those 57,000 american lives lost? hate to break your heart,but you have those two bastards Johnson and Dick Nixon to thank for that. In an interview with Walter Kronkite in sept 63 when he interviewing Kennedy on the subject of vietnam,at the bottom left hand screen,in bold big numbers,it displays casualtys in vietnam-82

In case you never learned how to count,82 casualtys is a far cry from the 57,000 americans that occured under Johnson and Nixon.

It wasnt the vietcong or the NVA that murdered those 58,000 americans.It was Johnson and Nixon.Many ignorant sheople think that Nixon ended the war.what they arent aware of though obviously is he could easily have ended it in 69 if he had wanted to.But he let the war drag on for another four more years extending the war so he is just as much a mass murderer of those 58,000 americans as Johnson is.

Johnson is even on tape in the white house tapes talking about how Nixon sabotoged his paris peace talks on vietnam to try and end the war that he gave the establishment.

Dick Nixon,lied to the american people runnign a campaine that he would end the war quickly,where instead,he extended the war.

so AGAIN,those 58,000 american lives lost are americans that were murdered by Johnson and Nixon,grow up.






RFK was interesting, and in many ways scary. He also had an ability to communicate with the least fortunate that's really unparralled. It's certainly true that Hoover had him by the balls. All, great leaders have personality traits that include huge failings, and at the very least personality "quirks." That's what I liked most about the movie Hyde Park on the Hudson.

It's interesting to speculate whether the Bay of Pigs disaster would have happened with Nixon. It was a CIA clusterfk, and Ike said very unkind things about the CIA. An interesting book on that a couple of years ago, but I don't recall the name. I gave it a quick read. I really don't think overall there was any difference between Nixon and JFK on communism. But, it's possible Nixon would have been more cautious in loosing the CIA on anything.

And yeah, Nixon embraced a way to liberal economic agenda to fit today's gop. And the gop is moving to isolationism that neither Ike, Nixon nor Reagan would have tolerated.

actually there was a major difference.Nixon had deep ties to the CIA and was willing to give them the extended war in vietnam they wanted,where Jfk was a man of world peace and wanted to establish peaceful relations with the soviets.which is what infuriated the establishment.war means big business and huge profits for corporations hense,why we have the war going on in the middle east.

Unlike the majority of ignorant posters on here who are cluless and ignorant of our american history,YOU seem to know what your talking about and have done your homework.

This is the only part of any of your posts that havent been right on and accurate,everything else you have posted,has been dead on though.

 

[Meathead]

Stupid premise, especially when you think about the war in Vietnam. Nixon had had no charisma ,but was undoubtedly the sharpest to ascend the presidency.

You may need to educate yourselves to understand.

 

[Meathead]

JFK sent us into Vietnam. 57,000 dead Americans and tens of thousands more suffering with PTSD, all for nothing.

as usual.you demonstrate and prove your ignorance about american history.

Hey dingbat, Iraq was in a sense successfu *Hussien gone, no gassing and a more tolerant authorityl. What can you say about Vietnam when the US left?

Idiot, sorry.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

i see the trolls are coming to this thread and droves now.

Meathead,you always ran off with your tail between your legs never addressing facts how reagan was the most corrupt president ever at the time in office from many posters on that thread sometime back so you proved back then,the user name MEATHEAD is PERFECT for you.that thats what your brain consist of.

so I have no doubt your here to troll on this thread as well.sorry not going to take the bait and give you the attention you seek.

 

[Meathead]

i see the trolls are coming to this thread and droves now.re
Meathead,you always ran off with your tail between your legs never addressing facts how reagan was the most corrupt president ever at the time in office from many posters on that thread sometime back so you proved back then,the user name MEATHEAD is PERFECT for you.that thats what your brain consist of.

so I have no doubt your here to troll on this thread as well.sorry not going to take the bait and give you the attention you seek.

I had the "courtesy" to inform you that you're a prick at least. All I can remember of my exchanges with you is a self-defeating troll.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

i see the trolls are coming to this thread and droves now.

Meathead,you always ran off with your tail between your legs never addressing facts how reagan was the most corrupt president ever at the time in office from many posters on that thread sometime back so you proved back then,the user name MEATHEAD is PERFECT for you.that thats what your brain consist of.

so I have no doubt your here to troll on this thread as well.sorry not going to take the bait and give you the attention you seek.

maybe if repeated enough,it will actually sink into that MEATHEAD warped drugged up brain.

 

[Toro]

Nixon could never the get the nomination in today's GOP. You guys would dub him a RINO and run him out of the party.

Reagan too.

Those two posts must be attempts at humor...because factually they are totally clueless, but do fit nicely into lib/d party talking points.

Lets see, W was a progressive and so was his daddy. Dole, McCain, and Romney all progressives. Yet you two believe the R party is some kind of right wing fanatical party. How can you be so easily duped?

The Rs and Ds are essentially the same. Stinking progressive.

If a governor who had raised taxes multiple times in his state, what do you think the odds of that governor winning the nomination in today's Republican Party? I'd say somewhere south of zero percent.

That's what Reagan did as governor of California.

 

[gipper]

Reagan too.

Those two posts must be attempts at humor...because factually they are totally clueless, but do fit nicely into lib/d party talking points.

Lets see, W was a progressive and so was his daddy. Dole, McCain, and Romney all progressives. Yet you two believe the R party is some kind of right wing fanatical party. How can you be so easily duped?

The Rs and Ds are essentially the same. Stinking progressive.

If a governor who had raised taxes multiple times in his state, what do you think the odds of that governor winning the nomination in today's Republican Party? I'd say somewhere south of zero percent.

That's what Reagan did as governor of California.

Really? Apparently you are unaware that Romney raised taxes and implemented a socialist healthcare plan in MA (which BO & Friends modeled Obamacare after), decades after Reagan was CA governor.

Guess what? In case you don't know, Romney won the R nomination just last year, unlike Reagan who did so DECADES AGO.

Did that blow up your closed leftist mind?

Get informed and stop accepting the propaganda from lying left wing sources. Stop being played like a violin by the Left. The difference between the Rs and Ds is little. We have a one party system and a government of oligarchs.

Romney?s Jobs Record Is Best (or Worst)

 

[Toro]

Those two posts must be attempts at humor...because factually they are totally clueless, but do fit nicely into lib/d party talking points.

Lets see, W was a progressive and so was his daddy. Dole, McCain, and Romney all progressives. Yet you two believe the R party is some kind of right wing fanatical party. How can you be so easily duped?

The Rs and Ds are essentially the same. Stinking progressive.

If a governor who had raised taxes multiple times in his state, what do you think the odds of that governor winning the nomination in today's Republican Party? I'd say somewhere south of zero percent.

That's what Reagan did as governor of California.

Really? Apparently you are unaware that Romney raised taxes and implemented a socialist healthcare plan in MA (which BO & Friends modeled Obamacare after), decades after Reagan was CA governor.

Guess what? In case you don't know, Romney won the R nomination just last year, unlike Reagan who did so DECADES AGO.

Did that blow up your closed leftist mind?

Get informed and stop accepting the propaganda from lying left wing sources. Stop being played like a violin by the Left. The difference between the Rs and Ds is little. We have a one party system and a government of oligarchs.

Romney?s Jobs Record Is Best (or Worst)

Are you a far left-wing Naderite? You sure sound like one.

Romney never raised tax rates. He cut or delayed some, and closed loopholes and increased penalties and fees. That's pretty mainstream Republican these days.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/23/news/economy/Romney_tax_record/index.htm

As governor, Reagan raised tax rates multiple times. That is definitely not mainstream Republican today.

 

[gipper]

If a governor who had raised taxes multiple times in his state, what do you think the odds of that governor winning the nomination in today's Republican Party? I'd say somewhere south of zero percent.

That's what Reagan did as governor of California.

Really? Apparently you are unaware that Romney raised taxes and implemented a socialist healthcare plan in MA (which BO & Friends modeled Obamacare after), decades after Reagan was CA governor.

Guess what? In case you don't know, Romney won the R nomination just last year, unlike Reagan who did so DECADES AGO.

Did that blow up your closed leftist mind?

Get informed and stop accepting the propaganda from lying left wing sources. Stop being played like a violin by the Left. The difference between the Rs and Ds is little. We have a one party system and a government of oligarchs.

Romney?s Jobs Record Is Best (or Worst)

Are you a far left-wing Naderite? You sure sound like one.

Romney never raised tax rates. He cut or delayed some, and closed loopholes and increased penalties and fees. That's pretty mainstream Republican these days.

Mitt Romney's tax record: Tax cutter or tax hiker? - Jan. 23, 2012

As governor, Reagan raised tax rates multiple times. That is definitely not mainstream Republican today.

Oh please stop with your foolishness.

Now you twist your argument from "he raised taxes" to "tax rates," after I CORRECTED you.

Romney RAISED taxes in MA. Plus he instituted socialist HC, which you apparently know nothing of or discount. How can you discount this left wing shit by an R governor?

Reagan and HW raised TAXES. McCain and Dole voted for rising taxes. Romney RAISED taxes. But you think R voters would never vote for an R presidential candidate who raised TAXES.

You are WRONG! Wake the FUCK UP!

Whatever the Left tells you, you believe. You are the poster child for "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

 

[Toro]

Really? Apparently you are unaware that Romney raised taxes and implemented a socialist healthcare plan in MA (which BO & Friends modeled Obamacare after), decades after Reagan was CA governor.

Guess what? In case you don't know, Romney won the R nomination just last year, unlike Reagan who did so DECADES AGO.

Did that blow up your closed leftist mind?

Get informed and stop accepting the propaganda from lying left wing sources. Stop being played like a violin by the Left. The difference between the Rs and Ds is little. We have a one party system and a government of oligarchs.

Romney?s Jobs Record Is Best (or Worst)

Are you a far left-wing Naderite? You sure sound like one.

Romney never raised tax rates. He cut or delayed some, and closed loopholes and increased penalties and fees. That's pretty mainstream Republican these days.

Mitt Romney's tax record: Tax cutter or tax hiker? - Jan. 23, 2012

As governor, Reagan raised tax rates multiple times. That is definitely not mainstream Republican today.

Oh please stop with your foolishness.

Now you twist your argument from "he raised taxes" to "tax rates," after I CORRECTED you.

Romney RAISED taxes in MA. Plus he instituted socialist HC, which you apparently know nothing of or discount. How can you discount this left wing shit by an R governor?

Reagan and HW raised TAXES. McCain and Dole voted for rising taxes. Romney RAISED taxes. But you think R voters would never vote for an R presidential candidate who raised TAXES.

You are WRONG! Wake the FUCK UP!

Whatever the Left tells you, you believe. You are the poster child for "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

I meant to say tax rates. Republicans have no problem raising taxes by closing loopholes as long as rates came down and reform was revenue neutral at worst.

You are totally missing the point anyways, which is Reagan today would be considered a RINO. Reagan raised taxes massively as governor. Only an extremist totally out of touch could even remotely suggest that in today's GOP such a record would be acceptable. Ranting about how the party was 20-30 years ago is irrelevant.

http://capitalgainsandgames.com/blog/bruce-bartlett/2154/reagans-forgotten-tax-record

 

[LA RAM FAN]

RFK was interesting, and in many ways scary. He also had an ability to communicate with the least fortunate that's really unparralled. It's certainly true that Hoover had him by the balls. All, great leaders have personality traits that include huge failings, and at the very least personality "quirks." That's what I liked most about the movie Hyde Park on the Hudson.

It's interesting to speculate whether the Bay of Pigs disaster would have happened with Nixon. It was a CIA clusterfk, and Ike said very unkind things about the CIA. An interesting book on that a couple of years ago, but I don't recall the name. I gave it a quick read. I really don't think overall there was any difference between Nixon and JFK on communism. But, it's possible Nixon would have been more cautious in loosing the CIA on anything.

And yeah, Nixon embraced a way to liberal economic agenda to fit today's gop. And the gop is moving to isolationism that neither Ike, Nixon nor Reagan would have tolerated.

Like I said yesterday,you're really the only one on here that has done his homework and really understands what went on back then for the the most part here.Yeah you're right that Hoover had RFK by the balls.He had John by the balls as well as he did all presidents before him that came into office.

He always got the scoop on their activities to get them by the balls so they would do favors for him through blackmail.Many were shocked when JFK made Johnson his running mate because his views were nothing whatsoever in line with Kennedys.

Kennedy didnt want him for his running mate.He made him his running mate though because Hoover blackmailed him into it.Kennedy had no choice to make Johnson his running mate because he was getting in the pants with a woman that was a known nazi sympathiser.Hoover would have leaked that to the press had Kennedy not gone along with making JOhnson his running mate.Its well known Johnson hated the kennedys from the very get go so again,it was a major shock to everybody in Kennedys camp when he made Johnson his running mate.

Hoover and Johnson at one time,were next door neighbors in Washington.Cant remember the timeframe but they lived next door to each other for years and were very good friends.Hoover also hated the Kennedys with a passion as well.

Just like he blackmailed JFk to make Johnson his runningmate,RFK was in Hoovers pocket as well which is why he gave in to Hoovers blackmail to authorize the wiretapping of King since Robert also knew Hoover would release damaging information to the press about JFK's sexual escapades with a known nazi sympathiser.

Johnson and Hoover benefitted immensely from the assassination.Johnson not only because he became president,but also according to his aides,he was going to dump Johnson from the 1964 ticket he was going to run on and get a new and different runningmate.It was no secret either.

There were national headlines across all the major newspapers in the previous weeks leading up this visit in texas of Nixon predicting Kennedy to drop Johnson as his runningmate for the 1964 reelection campaine ticket.

Hoover probably had inside knowledge on that as well.The way Hoover benefitted from the assassination was the Kennedys hated Hoover as much as Hoover and Johnson hated them.Kennedys aides said he told them after the reelection,he was going to make sure Hoover retired at the standard mandatory age of 65 after he won relection.Well since it was Hoovers longtime friend Johnson that got reelected in 64 instead,Johnson disregarded the mandatory retirement age and scrapped it and Hoover stayed on as director till he was 72.

a lot of people dont understand that some of the things Kennedy wanted to do at the time like pull out of vietnam and dump Johnson as his runningmate and Hoover as director of the FBI,that he couldnt do it till after the reelection campaine in 64.That he was going to have to wait till then to be able to do it.

 

[gipper]

I meant to say tax rates. Republicans have no problem raising taxes by closing loopholes as long as rates came down and reform was revenue neutral at worst.

You are totally missing the point anyways, which is Reagan today would be considered a RINO. Reagan raised taxes massively as governor. Only an extremist totally out of touch could even remotely suggest that in today's GOP such a record would be acceptable. Ranting about how the party was 20-30 years ago is irrelevant.

Reagan's Forgotten Tax Record | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games

[/QUOTE]

Romney, like all recent R presidential nominees, raised taxes. As such, your theory that Reagan would be considered a RINO today and as such, never earn the R nominee, is over the top DUMB and clearly WRONG.

I have disproved your lib media/D Party talking points and yet, your persist.

The Rs just nominated Romney, who is without question, far more progressive than Reagan EVER was. Romney IS a RINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When will Americans like you realize that these so called differences between the parties is PROPAGANDA used to divide us. Both parties SUCK and both parties are PROGRESSIVE.

 

[gipper]

RFK was interesting, and in many ways scary. He also had an ability to communicate with the least fortunate that's really unparralled. It's certainly true that Hoover had him by the balls. All, great leaders have personality traits that include huge failings, and at the very least personality "quirks." That's what I liked most about the movie Hyde Park on the Hudson.

It's interesting to speculate whether the Bay of Pigs disaster would have happened with Nixon. It was a CIA clusterfk, and Ike said very unkind things about the CIA. An interesting book on that a couple of years ago, but I don't recall the name. I gave it a quick read. I really don't think overall there was any difference between Nixon and JFK on communism. But, it's possible Nixon would have been more cautious in loosing the CIA on anything.

And yeah, Nixon embraced a way to liberal economic agenda to fit today's gop. And the gop is moving to isolationism that neither Ike, Nixon nor Reagan would have tolerated.

Like I said yesterday,you're really the only one on here that has done his homework and really understands what went on back then for the the most part here.Yeah you're right that Hoover had RFK by the balls.He had John by the balls as well as he did all presidents before him that came into office.

He always got the scoop on their activities to get them by the balls so they would do favors for him through blackmail.Many were shocked when JFK made Johnson his running mate because his views were nothing whatsoever in line with Kennedys.

Kennedy didnt want him for his running mate.He made him his running mate though because Hoover blackmailed him into it.Kennedy had no choice to make Johnson his running mate because he was getting in the pants with a woman that was a known nazi sympathiser.Hoover would have leaked that to the press had Kennedy not gone along with making JOhnson his running mate.Its well known Johnson hated the kennedys from the very get go so again,it was a major shock to everybody in Kennedys camp when he made Johnson his running mate.

Hoover and Johnson at one time,were next door neighbors in Washington.Cant remember the timeframe but they lived next door to each other for years and were very good friends.Hoover also hated the Kennedys with a passion as well.

Just like he blackmailed JFk to make Johnson his runningmate,RFK was in Hoovers pocket as well which is why he gave in to Hoovers blackmail to authorize the wiretapping of King since Robert also knew Hoover would release damaging information to the press about JFK's sexual escapades with a known nazi sympathiser.

Johnson and Hoover benefitted immensely from the assassination.Johnson not only because he became president,but also according to his aides,he was going to dump Johnson from the 1964 ticket he was going to run on and get a new and different runningmate.It was no secret either.

There were national headlines across all the major newspapers in the previous weeks leading up this visit in texas of Nixon predicting Kennedy to drop Johnson as his runningmate for the 1964 reelection campaine ticket.

Hoover probably had inside knowledge on that as well.The way Hoover benefitted from the assassination was the Kennedys hated Hoover as much as Hoover and Johnson hated them.Kennedys aides said he told them after the reelection,he was going to make sure Hoover retired at the standard mandatory age of 65 after he won relection.Well since it was Hoovers longtime friend Johnson that got reelected in 64 instead,Johnson disregarded the mandatory retirement age and scrapped it and Hoover stayed on as director till he was 72.

a lot of people dont understand that some of the things Kennedy wanted to do at the time like pull out of vietnam and dump Johnson as his runningmate and Hoover as director of the FBI,that he couldnt do it till after the reelection campaine in 64.That he was going to have to wait till then to be able to do it.

Agreed.

Amazingly Daddy Bush was also involved in the Kennedy assassination.
Part 1. ?Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency? - WhoWhatWhy

Statism always sucks. When will Americans wake up to this fact?

Here we are 50 years after the assassination and still the federal government continues the charade of lies. When a government can perpetrate a coup and get away with it, its time to end that government.

 

[bendog]

I am not sure JFK would have dropped LBJ, but there's no doubt no love was lost. LBJ thought he'd still be de facto senate leader as VP, but found out that wasn't gonna happen.

But, what is interesting to me in terms of Vietnam was that there was little difference between Goldwater and JFK on communism. Goldwater's point in 64 as to LBJ and Vietnam was simply, "if you're gonna have a war, fight to win, and do whatever it take to get it done." LBJ actually favored Nixon in 68, because he distrusted Humphrey on vietnam. So, he left Nixon in a position of trying to get out of Vietnam and taking years to do so. When we finally left, our allies were wondering "what took so long?"

I'm amused at the irony about Dems. LBJ actuallly consciously lied about the Tonkin Gulf Incident to get support for ground troops. (does that sound like a recent goper? anyone?) Then, he refused to back out because he feared the gop would "crucify" him. He lost a majority that enacted medicare, medicaid and a coaltion that enacted civil rights. Obama was in turn handed a supermajority and enacted universal coverage which is the dem dream since FDR. Yet, he's turned out to be ineffectual on everything. He bailed out wall street, and then didn't get wall st to pay for it. He lost his supermajority because he couldnt' sell his stimulus or healthcare programs. At this pt, it won't surprise me if Hill doesn't win in 16.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Really? Apparently you are unaware that Romney raised taxes and implemented a socialist healthcare plan in MA (which BO & Friends modeled Obamacare after), decades after Reagan was CA governor.

Guess what? In case you don't know, Romney won the R nomination just last year, unlike Reagan who did so DECADES AGO.

Did that blow up your closed leftist mind?

Get informed and stop accepting the propaganda from lying left wing sources. Stop being played like a violin by the Left. The difference between the Rs and Ds is little. We have a one party system and a government of oligarchs.

Romney?s Jobs Record Is Best (or Worst)

Are you a far left-wing Naderite? You sure sound like one.

Romney never raised tax rates. He cut or delayed some, and closed loopholes and increased penalties and fees. That's pretty mainstream Republican these days.

Mitt Romney's tax record: Tax cutter or tax hiker? - Jan. 23, 2012

As governor, Reagan raised tax rates multiple times. That is definitely not mainstream Republican today.

Oh please stop with your foolishness.

Now you twist your argument from "he raised taxes" to "tax rates," after I CORRECTED you.

Romney RAISED taxes in MA. Plus he instituted socialist HC, which you apparently know nothing of or discount. How can you discount this left wing shit by an R governor?

Reagan and HW raised TAXES. McCain and Dole voted for rising taxes. Romney RAISED taxes. But you think R voters would never vote for an R presidential candidate who raised TAXES.

You are WRONG! Wake the FUCK UP!

Whatever the Left tells you, you believe. You are the poster child for "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

Toto pretty much knows ZILCH about politics and whats going on in the country and the world.He needs to stick to sports where he actually knows what he is talking about.lol

He swallows everything the idiot box in the living room tells him to be true no matter how absurd it is and no matter how much the facts disprove their lies.He is too much conditioned and programmed to look outside the box and only sees ONE side of the coin.Never looks at the other side.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I meant to say tax rates. Republicans have no problem raising taxes by closing loopholes as long as rates came down and reform was revenue neutral at worst.

You are totally missing the point anyways, which is Reagan today would be considered a RINO. Reagan raised taxes massively as governor. Only an extremist totally out of touch could even remotely suggest that in today's GOP such a record would be acceptable. Ranting about how the party was 20-30 years ago is irrelevant.

Reagan's Forgotten Tax Record | Stan Collender's Capital Gains and Games

Romney, like all recent R presidential nominees, raised taxes. As such, your theory that Reagan would be considered a RINO today and as such, never earn the R nominee, is over the top DUMB and clearly WRONG.

I have disproved your lib media/D Party talking points and yet, your persist.

The Rs just nominated Romney, who is without question, far more progressive than Reagan EVER was. Romney IS a RINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When will Americans like you realize that these so called differences between the parties is PROPAGANDA used to divide us. Both parties SUCK and both parties are PROGRESSIVE.[/QUOTE]

Thats the logic of Toto for you as your finding out. He wouldnt last ONE MINUTE in a debating hall with you.Everytime he is cornered with facts he cant refute,he changes the subject as you are finding out.

Trolls like him know with the security of the computer to hide behind,they can troll the boards and make up things without people laughing him out of the debating contest since he doesnt have to go before them live.

Yeah thats comedy gold that Toto thinks Reagan would be considered a RINO in this day and age when he betrayed the lower and middle class familys shipping jobs overseas.

Thats why the myth about Reagan spun by the media and mouthpieces like Rush Limbaugh took off because he was the architect and the person that got it all started on betraying the american people shipping jobs overseas which every president since then has followed the footsteps of.thats why the media makes him out to be a martyr.

Mass murderer Reagan,the man who committed treason against the american people with the october surprise,spat on the constitution with Iran Contra lying to the american people about his involvement in it,yep Toto has the warped logic that he would be in the same class as ron paul as a RINO.

comedy gold.Him and meathead brain should hook up.

Best damn post on this thread in response to my opening post.

I take it back what i said earlier.Your the SECOND poster to come on this thread who actually knows our true american history and actually knows what they are talking about.

people like Toto have been brainwashed and dont want to come to grips with it that there is no difference between the two parties.that its really a ONE PARTY SYSTEM designed to look like two parties so the sheople think they have a choice on who gets elected. that just goes through one ear and out the other though with people like Toto.

Whats funny about the fools who love reagan and republicans so much is he was a democrat before he switched over and ran on the republican ticket later on.

welcome to the world of Totoland that he lives in.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

RFK was interesting, and in many ways scary. He also had an ability to communicate with the least fortunate that's really unparralled. It's certainly true that Hoover had him by the balls. All, great leaders have personality traits that include huge failings, and at the very least personality "quirks." That's what I liked most about the movie Hyde Park on the Hudson.

It's interesting to speculate whether the Bay of Pigs disaster would have happened with Nixon. It was a CIA clusterfk, and Ike said very unkind things about the CIA. An interesting book on that a couple of years ago, but I don't recall the name. I gave it a quick read. I really don't think overall there was any difference between Nixon and JFK on communism. But, it's possible Nixon would have been more cautious in loosing the CIA on anything.

And yeah, Nixon embraced a way to liberal economic agenda to fit today's gop. And the gop is moving to isolationism that neither Ike, Nixon nor Reagan would have tolerated.

Like I said yesterday,you're really the only one on here that has done his homework and really understands what went on back then for the the most part here.Yeah you're right that Hoover had RFK by the balls.He had John by the balls as well as he did all presidents before him that came into office.

He always got the scoop on their activities to get them by the balls so they would do favors for him through blackmail.Many were shocked when JFK made Johnson his running mate because his views were nothing whatsoever in line with Kennedys.

Kennedy didnt want him for his running mate.He made him his running mate though because Hoover blackmailed him into it.Kennedy had no choice to make Johnson his running mate because he was getting in the pants with a woman that was a known nazi sympathiser.Hoover would have leaked that to the press had Kennedy not gone along with making JOhnson his running mate.Its well known Johnson hated the kennedys from the very get go so again,it was a major shock to everybody in Kennedys camp when he made Johnson his running mate.

Hoover and Johnson at one time,were next door neighbors in Washington.Cant remember the timeframe but they lived next door to each other for years and were very good friends.Hoover also hated the Kennedys with a passion as well.

Just like he blackmailed JFk to make Johnson his runningmate,RFK was in Hoovers pocket as well which is why he gave in to Hoovers blackmail to authorize the wiretapping of King since Robert also knew Hoover would release damaging information to the press about JFK's sexual escapades with a known nazi sympathiser.

Johnson and Hoover benefitted immensely from the assassination.Johnson not only because he became president,but also according to his aides,he was going to dump Johnson from the 1964 ticket he was going to run on and get a new and different runningmate.It was no secret either.

There were national headlines across all the major newspapers in the previous weeks leading up this visit in texas of Nixon predicting Kennedy to drop Johnson as his runningmate for the 1964 reelection campaine ticket.

Hoover probably had inside knowledge on that as well.The way Hoover benefitted from the assassination was the Kennedys hated Hoover as much as Hoover and Johnson hated them.Kennedys aides said he told them after the reelection,he was going to make sure Hoover retired at the standard mandatory age of 65 after he won relection.Well since it was Hoovers longtime friend Johnson that got reelected in 64 instead,Johnson disregarded the mandatory retirement age and scrapped it and Hoover stayed on as director till he was 72.

a lot of people dont understand that some of the things Kennedy wanted to do at the time like pull out of vietnam and dump Johnson as his runningmate and Hoover as director of the FBI,that he couldnt do it till after the reelection campaine in 64.That he was going to have to wait till then to be able to do it.

Agreed.

Amazingly Daddy Bush was also involved in the Kennedy assassination.
Part 1. ?Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency? - WhoWhatWhy

Statism always sucks. When will Americans wake up to this fact?

Here we are 50 years after the assassination and still the federal government continues the charade of lies. When a government can perpetrate a coup and get away with it, its time to end that government.

Like I said,I take it back.You are the second person to come on here who is actually awake and knows the true history of vietnam and what went on during the Kennedy years.

I wonder if any of these fools that have posted ignoring facts that Nixon would have gotten us into world war 3 had he been president back then,are even aware of the fact that Nixon,his long time friend Bush,and CIA covert operation specialist E Howard Hunt who ran covert operations for the CIA that Nixon directed when he was vice president under Eisenhower,that Bush,Nixon and Hunt were the ONLY people in the world who could not remember where they were that day of the assassination.

I wasnt around at that time but I was when 9/11 happened and I will NEVER forget where I was that day on 9/11 as does everybody else that was alive that day remembers where they were at the time of the JFK assassination.Only Nixon,Hunt and Bush could not remember.

Reagan like Bush and Ford ,was also handsomely rewarded the office of the presidency for his particpation in the coverup as well.as governor back then,he blocked extradition requests for subpoenas of key high officials during the Garrison investigation.


Heres Dick Nixon calling up his good old long time friend and co conspirator with him in the JFK assassination Bushwacker to wish him happy birthday.




Notice how the two men invovled in the assassination,Bushwacker and Nixon are all laughing it all up with the two men who got rewarded the office of the presidency for their participation in the coverup,Ford and Reagan?

 

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Like I said yesterday,you're really the only one on here that has done his homework and really understands what went on back then for the the most part here.Yeah you're right that Hoover had RFK by the balls.He had John by the balls as well as he did all presidents before him that came into office.

He always got the scoop on their activities to get them by the balls so they would do favors for him through blackmail.Many were shocked when JFK made Johnson his running mate because his views were nothing whatsoever in line with Kennedys.

Kennedy didnt want him for his running mate.He made him his running mate though because Hoover blackmailed him into it.Kennedy had no choice to make Johnson his running mate because he was getting in the pants with a woman that was a known nazi sympathiser.Hoover would have leaked that to the press had Kennedy not gone along with making JOhnson his running mate.Its well known Johnson hated the kennedys from the very get go so again,it was a major shock to everybody in Kennedys camp when he made Johnson his running mate.

Hoover and Johnson at one time,were next door neighbors in Washington.Cant remember the timeframe but they lived next door to each other for years and were very good friends.Hoover also hated the Kennedys with a passion as well.

Just like he blackmailed JFk to make Johnson his runningmate,RFK was in Hoovers pocket as well which is why he gave in to Hoovers blackmail to authorize the wiretapping of King since Robert also knew Hoover would release damaging information to the press about JFK's sexual escapades with a known nazi sympathiser.

Johnson and Hoover benefitted immensely from the assassination.Johnson not only because he became president,but also according to his aides,he was going to dump Johnson from the 1964 ticket he was going to run on and get a new and different runningmate.It was no secret either.

There were national headlines across all the major newspapers in the previous weeks leading up this visit in texas of Nixon predicting Kennedy to drop Johnson as his runningmate for the 1964 reelection campaine ticket.

Hoover probably had inside knowledge on that as well.The way Hoover benefitted from the assassination was the Kennedys hated Hoover as much as Hoover and Johnson hated them.Kennedys aides said he told them after the reelection,he was going to make sure Hoover retired at the standard mandatory age of 65 after he won relection.Well since it was Hoovers longtime friend Johnson that got reelected in 64 instead,Johnson disregarded the mandatory retirement age and scrapped it and Hoover stayed on as director till he was 72.

a lot of people dont understand that some of the things Kennedy wanted to do at the time like pull out of vietnam and dump Johnson as his runningmate and Hoover as director of the FBI,that he couldnt do it till after the reelection campaine in 64.That he was going to have to wait till then to be able to do it.

Agreed.

Amazingly Daddy Bush was also involved in the Kennedy assassination.
Part 1. ?Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency? - WhoWhatWhy

Statism always sucks. When will Americans wake up to this fact?

Here we are 50 years after the assassination and still the federal government continues the charade of lies. When a government can perpetrate a coup and get away with it, its time to end that government.

Like I said,I take it back.You are the second person to come on here who is actually awake and knows the true history of vietnam and what went on during the Kennedy years.

I wonder if any of these fools that have posted ignoring facts that Nixon would have gotten us into world war 3 had he been president back then,are even aware of the fact that Nixon,his long time friend Bush,and CIA covert operation specialist E Howard Hunt who ran covert operations for the CIA that Nixon directed when he was vice president under Eisenhower,that Bush,Nixon and Hunt were the ONLY people in the world who could not remember where they were that day of the assassination.

I wasnt around at that time but I was when 9/11 happened and I will NEVER forget where I was that day on 9/11 as does everybody else that was alive that day remembers where they were at the time of the JFK assassination.Only Nixon,Hunt and Bush could not remember.

Reagan like Bush and Ford ,was also handsomely rewarded the office of the presidency for his particpation in the coverup as well.as governor back then,he blocked extradition requests for subpoenas of key high officials during the Garrison investigation.


Heres Dick Nixon calling up his good old long time friend and co conspirator with him in the JFK assassination Bushwacker to wish him happy birthday.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTHNyNYjp0]RICHARD NIXON TAPES: Happy New Years, George Bush! - YouTube[/ame]


Notice how the two men invovled in the assassination,Bushwacker and Nixon are all laughing it all up with the two men who got rewarded the office of the presidency for their participation in the coverup,Ford and Reagan?

It is appalling what our government and political leaders have done to cover up the Kennedy assassination. Over the top appalling...and yet, Americans THINK they live in a free and just nation. CRAZY.

Hell...I remember where I was when JFK was shot, and I was five years old.

Few people know of Ford's involvement in the coverup. To his dying day, he kept telling Americans that the Warren Commission (which he assisted in writing) report was accurate...and that Oswald acted alone. He was a disgusting tool of the State.

LBJ, Ford, and HW should have been charged, tried, and sentenced to prison for their roles in the coverup...instead of becoming POTUS. Truly amazing what they were able to accomplish. Lies, lies, and more lies....

Our nation has been co-opted by disgusting lying Statists. When will Americans wake up?