BBC's Definition of a Progressive

[Rouge Rover]

Any ideas on how long people are going to ignore the difference between democratic socialism and pure socialism? Six months? Two years? Ten years?.

Does it really matter? Both are against private ownership.

No they're not. Pure socialism is, but there is plenty of private ownership in democratic socialist countries such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France, Germany.
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When did the definition change? The way I learned it was Socialism as top down state control of the means of production and Democratic Socialism as replacing bureaucracy with communes, collectives, that sort of thing. Neither allowed private ownership. Has the definition changed that much?

Well, yes.

The countries I listed are examples.
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The countries you listed have mixed economies and parliamentary systems. I know France has an unusual political history so I'll give you that one only because I know nothing about how they do things. The rest of them are not democratic socialist.

 

[Mac1958]

Any ideas on how long people are going to ignore the difference between democratic socialism and pure socialism? Six months? Two years? Ten years?.

Does it really matter? Both are against private ownership.

No they're not. Pure socialism is, but there is plenty of private ownership in democratic socialist countries such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France, Germany.
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When did the definition change? The way I learned it was Socialism as top down state control of the means of production and Democratic Socialism as replacing bureaucracy with communes, collectives, that sort of thing. Neither allowed private ownership. Has the definition changed that much?

Well, yes.

The countries I listed are examples.
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The countries you listed have mixed economies and parliamentary systems. I know France has an unusual political history so I'll give you that one only because I know nothing about how they do things. The rest of them are not democratic socialist.

Then we disagree on terminology.

All of this exists on a continuum, anyway.
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[Rouge Rover]

Does it really matter? Both are against private ownership.

No they're not. Pure socialism is, but there is plenty of private ownership in democratic socialist countries such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France, Germany.
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When did the definition change? The way I learned it was Socialism as top down state control of the means of production and Democratic Socialism as replacing bureaucracy with communes, collectives, that sort of thing. Neither allowed private ownership. Has the definition changed that much?

Well, yes.

The countries I listed are examples.
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The countries you listed have mixed economies and parliamentary systems. I know France has an unusual political history so I'll give you that one only because I know nothing about how they do things. The rest of them are not democratic socialist.

Then we disagree on terminology.

All of this exists on a continuum, anyway.
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Of course we disagree on terminology, I pointed that out in my first post. I'm wondering where the idea that a higher tax rate and a safety net is democratic socialism came from. Democratic Socialism used to have a very specific definition and it wasn't tax and spend liberal.