Bad science kills & injures

Kevin Trudeau?......Seriously?

Likewise, FDA approval has become a status of dubious nature, as they are deemed above reproach for such approved debacles as Fen-phen and Vioxx. Indeed, the FDA acts more like a protection racket for BigPharm, rather than a vanguard of the public safety.

Like to take your side, Rod, but your sources are at least as suspect as are the antagonists.

Bullshit, there are so many rules/regulations by the FDA. It's very easy to get a drug fail during clinical trials, which cost millions and millions of dollars and years to do. There is no conspiracy, FDA is there to protect us.

Vioxx and fen phen wasn't as big a deal as people make it out. Millions benefit, a rare percentage had bad side effects, and when it was noticed, it was pulled
 
FDA has its share of fuck-ups, for sure. And, some of those were in gross violation of ethics rules. Anyway, luckily the FDA successes outweigh their screw-ups.
 
This is so fucking tired, these ignorant fucks who failed HS biology, let alone has any higher level of training that actual scientist do, copy and pasting some bullshit websites and you tube conspiracy theories.

They will claim "look at hte harmful additives in vaccines" but fail to mention its in miniscule doses and well below the dose that causes toxicity. Or linke an article that cites a journal article and then make their own conclusion like "this causes neuronal cell death" and then when I loook up the article, the experiment is done with extremeely high doses in tissue culture neurons, not even showing harm in actual humans

But these assholes that rant and rave and spread lies and conspiracy theories have no problem benefitting from the technological advances that science has given them.
 
Kevin Trudeau?......Seriously?

Likewise, FDA approval has become a status of dubious nature, as they are deemed above reproach for such approved debacles as Fen-phen and Vioxx. Indeed, the FDA acts more like a protection racket for BigPharm, rather than a vanguard of the public safety.

Like to take your side, Rod, but your sources are at least as suspect as are the antagonists.

Bullshit, there are so many rules/regulations by the FDA. It's very easy to get a drug fail during clinical trials, which cost millions and millions of dollars and years to do. There is no conspiracy, FDA is there to protect us.

Vioxx and fen phen wasn't as big a deal as people make it out. Millions benefit, a rare percentage had bad side effects, and when it was noticed, it was pulled
I didn't say it was a conspiracy...It's basically a protection racket for BigPharm, that serves to squeeze out competitors who can't afford the ridiculously exorbitant costs of getting a new medication or device approved. Lest we leave out "orphan drugs" which are effective but treat so few people that the costs of approval cannot ever be recouped in a reasonable time frame.

Then, when bombs like Vioxx do make it onto the market, the FDA gets to wash their hands of culpability for approving the drug, while the pharmaceutical company has to eat the law suits.

Nice work, if you can get it.
 
FDA has its share of fuck-ups, for sure. And, some of those were in gross violation of ethics rules. Anyway, luckily the FDA successes outweigh their screw-ups.

It's not the FDA itself, but most of the time an issue comes up its unethical actions by the pharm companies.BUt they will end up getting screwed in the long run so not many companies are going to fuck around with fudging or hiding results, as it can lead to prison time for nthose involved.

Also,. the nature of drugs (hence why they continue to monitor it when it gets to market) is that people will have bad side effects, albiet a tiny amount
 
Kevin Trudeau?......Seriously?

Likewise, FDA approval has become a status of dubious nature, as they are deemed above reproach for such approved debacles as Fen-phen and Vioxx. Indeed, the FDA acts more like a protection racket for BigPharm, rather than a vanguard of the public safety.

Like to take your side, Rod, but your sources are at least as suspect as are the antagonists.

Bullshit, there are so many rules/regulations by the FDA. It's very easy to get a drug fail during clinical trials, which cost millions and millions of dollars and years to do. There is no conspiracy, FDA is there to protect us.

Vioxx and fen phen wasn't as big a deal as people make it out. Millions benefit, a rare percentage had bad side effects, and when it was noticed, it was pulled
I didn't say it was a conspiracy...It's basically a protection racket for BigPharm, that serves to squeeze out competitors weo can't affort the ridiculously exorbitant costs of getting a new medication or device approved.

Then, when bombs like Vioxx do make it onto the market, the FDA gets to wash their hands of culpability of approving the drug, while the pharmaceutical company has to eat the law suits.

Nice work, if you can get it.

But the high prices is mainly due to the levels of safety and testing required to protect people from harmful drugs
 
So the tort reform on vaccine makers removing them from any product liability responsibilities was a mistake?
 
FDA has its share of fuck-ups, for sure. And, some of those were in gross violation of ethics rules. Anyway, luckily the FDA successes outweigh their screw-ups.

It's not the FDA itself, but most of the time an issue comes up its unethical actions by the pharm companies.BUt they will end up getting screwed in the long run so not many companies are going to fuck around with fudging or hiding results, as it can lead to prison time for nthose involved.

Also,. the nature of drugs (hence why they continue to monitor it when it gets to market) is that people will have bad side effects, albiet a tiny amount
Seriously, some employees of the FDA had a history of accepting a few choice ... ahem ... 'gifts' before there was a crackdown on ethics during the last administration. Most of that bad blood is gone - retired, asked to leave, made the choice that keeping their investments was more desirable than keeping a government job, etc. - and the FDA is trying to reclaim its once honorable reputation.

To the topic, the bad science is the claim that the science indicates that mercury-based preservatives in vaccines causes harm at the recommended doses. The science does not support that at all.

What is up with all the anti-chemistry threads, Ro?
 
You think that is bad, check out this nasty chemical shit:
National Consumer Coalition Against DHMO
Who are we?
The National Consumer Coalition Against DHMO (NCCADHMO), not affiliated with the Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide, was founded in 1997 in an effort to raise public awareness about the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) in our daily lives. The secondary goal of NCCADHMO is to act in the public interest as a lobbying agent in Congress to affect public policy regarding the safety and uses of DHMO.

Although we are not funded by the EPA, we are loosely affiliated with the US Environmental Assessment Center's Dihydrogen Monoxide Research Division. This affiliation was created in an effort to make information available to the public in an expedient fashion, and to provide a public forum for the ongoing DHMO debate.

We manage the day-to-day operation of the DMRD web site, of which this page is a part. We also make every attempt to remain unbiased in our presentation of the facts surrounding the grave and ever-present dangers of DHMO.
What is DHMO?
Dihydrogen Monoxide, or DHMO, is a colorless and odorless chemical that kills or maims thousands each year, primarily through accidental inhalation. It has also been revealed to be a causative agent in many environmental exposure incidents, industrial contaminations, automobile accidents, and property damage. The dollar amount losses caused, and the lives impacted, by the DHMO threat are virtually innumerable.

....
DHMo_Org
 
This is serious stuff. I was conned by global warming for a while, but that damn dihydro something or the other is more dangerous.
 
Kevin Trudeau?......Seriously?

Likewise, FDA approval has become a status of dubious nature, as they are deemed above reproach for such approved debacles as Fen-phen and Vioxx. Indeed, the FDA acts more like a protection racket for BigPharm, rather than a vanguard of the public safety.

Like to take your side, Rod, but your sources are at least as suspect as are the antagonists.

the downward spiral of the FDA began under Reagan. His fast track approval for medicines...
 
The high prices are because BigBureacrat costs big bucks.

A market-based outfit like Underwriters Laboratories could fill the role of the FDA and slash costs by at least 1/2.

The fees going to the FDA for FDA approval is miniscule compared to the cost to pay patietns, doctors, etc to perform the clinical trials. Along with manufacturing costs, and high cost for doing research.
 
Kevin Trudeau?......Seriously?

Likewise, FDA approval has become a status of dubious nature, as they are deemed above reproach for such approved debacles as Fen-phen and Vioxx. Indeed, the FDA acts more like a protection racket for BigPharm, rather than a vanguard of the public safety.

Like to take your side, Rod, but your sources are at least as suspect as are the antagonists.

the downward spiral of the FDA began under Reagan. His fast track approval for medicines...

What downward spiral? Drugs cost tons of money, imagine if they didn't speed up the FDA approval process, drugs would never get out,a nd would cost even more than they do now. Maybe there is just more drugs on the market that turn out to have nasty side effects because of the fact there has been a boom of technology leading to a bunch of new drugs during the 20 years since reagan was in office.

I mentioned this before but nobody seems to care, but even Vioxx had bad side efffects in only 2-3% of the millions that took the drugs, so it was hardly a widespread phenomenon of people dying. Plus the nature of drugs and differences in people make for never being able to predict if there will be side effects or not
 
Kevin Trudeau?......Seriously?

Likewise, FDA approval has become a status of dubious nature, as they are deemed above reproach for such approved debacles as Fen-phen and Vioxx. Indeed, the FDA acts more like a protection racket for BigPharm, rather than a vanguard of the public safety.

Like to take your side, Rod, but your sources are at least as suspect as are the antagonists.

the downward spiral of the FDA began under Reagan. His fast track approval for medicines...

What downward spiral? Drugs cost tons of money, imagine if they didn't speed up the FDA approval process, drugs would never get out,a nd would cost even more than they do now. Maybe there is just more drugs on the market that turn out to have nasty side effects because of the fact there has been a boom of technology leading to a bunch of new drugs during the 20 years since reagan was in office.

I mentioned this before but nobody seems to care, but even Vioxx had bad side efffects in only 2-3% of the millions that took the drugs, so it was hardly a widespread phenomenon of people dying. Plus the nature of drugs and differences in people make for never being able to predict if there will be side effects or not
I agree. Vioxx was within regulation and all FDA requirements were met. It was a scapegoat for those who wanted to nail any BigPharma they could.
 

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