Background checks and increase age to own a gun.

[2aguy]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

Because he doesn't know the issue.

 

[2aguy]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Bull shit. First off, "expunged" means different things in different states. It's a myth that when one turns 18 all the crimes they committed just disappear. That's all a fairy tail. As for raising the age to own a rifle or shotgun, I would only be good with that if the age to vote and join the military was raised to 21.

So your against Trumps proposal, right?

I am.

 

[OKTexas]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Damned good idea. A background check should be done on anyone buying a gun.

Wrong....criminals don't do background checks, mass shooters pass any background check...or they both steal the guns.....

Please...try to understand this issue...

Of course criminals don't do background checks or mass shooter for that matter.

A background check never hurt anyone and if it manages to catch some asshole then that's a good thing.

They catch a bunch lying on the forms, very few, if any are prosecuted. Perhaps we should enforce the laws we already have.

.

Oh I agree. They have tons of laws on the books pertaining to guns. Background checks don't hurt either.

I was talking about background checks, there are a lot of people that lie on the forms and nothing is done to them. Tell me, how are you going to enforce additional checks when no one knows who owns firearms?

.

 

[OKTexas]

Libs still don't get it. More guns make us safer.

And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier

With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.

According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:

In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.

The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."

The only problem with your theory? Is that over the last 26 years more guns have been added to this society....and a lot more people now carry guns for self defense.....which means? Your theory is wrong...

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

Much of that had to do with the crime bill the commies are denouncing today. When violent people are locked up longer, street crime goes down, statistics prove that.

.

 

[jc456]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

well number one, they already do background checks, I heard him say that, number two, purchasing and owning are two entirely different things, and number 3, I agree, no protection for children criminals any longer.

 

[miketx]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

Because he doesn't know the issue.

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Bull shit. First off, "expunged" means different things in different states. It's a myth that when one turns 18 all the crimes they committed just disappear. That's all a fairy tail. As for raising the age to own a rifle or shotgun, I would only be good with that if the age to vote and join the military was raised to 21.

So your against Trumps proposal, right?

I am.

Damned good idea. A background check should be done on anyone buying a gun.

Wrong....criminals don't do background checks, mass shooters pass any background check...or they both steal the guns.....

Please...try to understand this issue...

Of course criminals don't do background checks or mass shooter for that matter.

A background check never hurt anyone and if it manages to catch some asshole then that's a good thing.

They catch a bunch lying on the forms, very few, if any are prosecuted. Perhaps we should enforce the laws we already have.

.

Oh I agree. They have tons of laws on the books pertaining to guns. Background checks don't hurt either.

I was talking about background checks, there are a lot of people that lie on the forms and nothing is done to them. Tell me, how are you going to enforce additional checks when no one knows who owns firearms?

.

Libs still don't get it. More guns make us safer.

And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier

With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.

According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:

In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.

The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."

The only problem with your theory? Is that over the last 26 years more guns have been added to this society....and a lot more people now carry guns for self defense.....which means? Your theory is wrong...

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

Much of that had to do with the crime bill the commies are denouncing today. When violent people are locked up longer, street crime goes down, statistics prove that.

.

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

well number one, they already do background checks, I heard him say that, number two, purchasing and owning are two entirely different things, and number 3, I agree, no protection for children criminals any longer.

One thing the murder loving democrats have made clear today is that they do NOT want criminals punished.

 

[jc456]

QUOTE="miketx, post: 22977847, member: 56416"]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

Because he doesn't know the issue.

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Bull shit. First off, "expunged" means different things in different states. It's a myth that when one turns 18 all the crimes they committed just disappear. That's all a fairy tail. As for raising the age to own a rifle or shotgun, I would only be good with that if the age to vote and join the military was raised to 21.

So your against Trumps proposal, right?

I am.

Wrong....criminals don't do background checks, mass shooters pass any background check...or they both steal the guns.....

Please...try to understand this issue...

Of course criminals don't do background checks or mass shooter for that matter.

A background check never hurt anyone and if it manages to catch some asshole then that's a good thing.

They catch a bunch lying on the forms, very few, if any are prosecuted. Perhaps we should enforce the laws we already have.

.

Oh I agree. They have tons of laws on the books pertaining to guns. Background checks don't hurt either.

I was talking about background checks, there are a lot of people that lie on the forms and nothing is done to them. Tell me, how are you going to enforce additional checks when no one knows who owns firearms?

.

And more arsenic in our drinking water makes us healthier

With as many disarmed people that you liberals mow down, even an imbecile of your magnitude should soon realize that making people more helpless in not the answer.

According to a familiar gun-rights slogan, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." This is true, but before deciding the answer is putting armed citizens on the streets across the land, consider the following:

In a society in which no one except the police and criminals are allowed to carry a gun in public, anyone carrying is breaking the law and is immediately recognized as a criminal by the police. However, in a society in which everyone is allowed and encouraged to carry a gun, then the good guys and bad guys all look the same to police. The gun-toting criminal is more likely to succeed in his various felonious acts because the police have no reason suspect him.

The cashier who sees the customer with a pistol on his hip or a rifle over his shoulder may think to himself, "He could be a law-abiding citizen just exercising his right to open carry, but he could be planning to hold me at gunpoint. He looks kind of suspicious so, I better not take any chances. I'll draw my gun first."

The only problem with your theory? Is that over the last 26 years more guns have been added to this society....and a lot more people now carry guns for self defense.....which means? Your theory is wrong...

The anti-gun theory and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...

Much of that had to do with the crime bill the commies are denouncing today. When violent people are locked up longer, street crime goes down, statistics prove that.

.

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

well number one, they already do background checks, I heard him say that, number two, purchasing and owning are two entirely different things, and number 3, I agree, no protection for children criminals any longer.

One thing the murder loving democrats have made clear today is that they do NOT want criminals punished.[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Flopper]

“You libs/Dems”? Where did that come from? I simply referenced Trumps proposal. Care to address that?

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

 

[Slade3200]

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

Thank you! That was right on. Social emotional learning and mental health counseling during early childhood development is key. Learning coping strategies and methods to deal with the struggles that our youth are facing will give these kids outlets and support so they don’t build up like ticking time bombs.

 

[OKTexas]

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

Thank you! That was right on. Social emotional learning and mental health counseling during early childhood development is key. Learning coping strategies and methods to deal with the struggles that our youth are facing will give these kids outlets and support so they don’t build up like ticking time bombs.

You'd have to pry their noses out of their phones and off social media long enough to pay attention. Of course shrinks say making kids go cold turkey off their pones for even a school day is too stressful for the little snowflakes, they would need tech breaks during the day. There's your primary problem.

.

.

 

[miketx]

You gonna deny you're a leftist shill or something?

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

And you know this how? Lmao.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

And you know this how? Lmao.

All BS bloviating rhetoric based in fantasy.

 

[jc456]

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

Thank you! That was right on. Social emotional learning and mental health counseling during early childhood development is key. Learning coping strategies and methods to deal with the struggles that our youth are facing will give these kids outlets and support so they don’t build up like ticking time bombs.

Ahh the family unit the leftists hate, now you hit the nail

 

[jc456]

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

And you know this how? Lmao.

All BS bloviating rhetoric based in fantasy.

Actually he’s saying the missing family unit man and woman, man in a child’s life does matter all those anti male fks

 

[2aguy]

Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

Thank you! That was right on. Social emotional learning and mental health counseling during early childhood development is key. Learning coping strategies and methods to deal with the struggles that our youth are facing will give these kids outlets and support so they don’t build up like ticking time bombs.

Actually, intact families are the key......for regular children, and especially for children with mental illnesses...... having a mother at home for the first 5 years, instead of working, and a father in the home...raising his children with the mother, is the key.......

 

[jc456]

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

Thank you! That was right on. Social emotional learning and mental health counseling during early childhood development is key. Learning coping strategies and methods to deal with the struggles that our youth are facing will give these kids outlets and support so they don’t build up like ticking time bombs.

Actually, intact families are the key......for regular children, and especially for children with mental illnesses...... having a mother at home for the first 5 years, instead of working, and a father in the home...raising his children with the mother, is the key.......

All on the left

 

[Flopper]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

mostly "because something must be done" and if he doesn't more people scream.

i'm down for changes. i honestly am. but we need to look deeply into what we're changing and will it have the effect we're after. if not, it makes zero sense to change it.

background checks for all! great. only *at least* 3 shooters in the last several years all got through background checks that should not have. extrapolate that out to people buying guns and only shooting a few people at a time in chicago. so wheee - we did something and now all will be ok.

only it won't be. someone will buy a gun this way and abuse it and we go back to looking for ways to stop them from getting guns again. that doesn't work so we rinse, repeat. how many times do we pass new laws or get more strict? chicago and LA are the most stringent against guns and they have the worst problems.

we need to figure out why people are so angry and work on that. stop worrying about what tool they choose to use to express that anger and address the anger. right now in our society the left and right extremes have people so worked up both sides go out on shooting sprees in the name of their side. *this* is why i feel we're already at a form of a modern day civil war. wars don't have to just use guns to kill. they can use media and lies to morph things into what they want. google is looking to see how they can alter elections. while gun violence is way too much these days, that to me is a much bigger issue. but it's also why people are so angry. if it's NOT happening as the left says and it's all just a lot of conspiracy theories, then why the huge pushback and their own attack on the right? the left is wanting to change everything up and the right says stop it.

and it's gotten WAY out of hand thanks to technology around us we're not mature enough to use properly.

we need to bolster our background checks and make sure all data that should be there in fact is there. then we need to look for profiles of what all these shooters have in common and much like the FBI in the 70s, work to understand why it's happening and learn to predict behaviors and patterns to help us understand the problem.

i've never known too many effective solutions to problems we didn't identify and understand first. gun control has become a political issue and not many problems get fixed at this point but a lot of useless "compromises" are made to appease the masses.

Figuring out why people are so angry that they would resort to shooting people and doing something about it would be a monumental task because the root problems they have are no different than the ones most of us encounter in our life, loss of jobs, rejection by loved ones, failures in life, rejection by peers, drugs, alcohol, etc.

 

[jc456]

Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

mostly "because something must be done" and if he doesn't more people scream.

i'm down for changes. i honestly am. but we need to look deeply into what we're changing and will it have the effect we're after. if not, it makes zero sense to change it.

background checks for all! great. only *at least* 3 shooters in the last several years all got through background checks that should not have. extrapolate that out to people buying guns and only shooting a few people at a time in chicago. so wheee - we did something and now all will be ok.

only it won't be. someone will buy a gun this way and abuse it and we go back to looking for ways to stop them from getting guns again. that doesn't work so we rinse, repeat. how many times do we pass new laws or get more strict? chicago and LA are the most stringent against guns and they have the worst problems.

we need to figure out why people are so angry and work on that. stop worrying about what tool they choose to use to express that anger and address the anger. right now in our society the left and right extremes have people so worked up both sides go out on shooting sprees in the name of their side. *this* is why i feel we're already at a form of a modern day civil war. wars don't have to just use guns to kill. they can use media and lies to morph things into what they want. google is looking to see how they can alter elections. while gun violence is way too much these days, that to me is a much bigger issue. but it's also why people are so angry. if it's NOT happening as the left says and it's all just a lot of conspiracy theories, then why the huge pushback and their own attack on the right? the left is wanting to change everything up and the right says stop it.

and it's gotten WAY out of hand thanks to technology around us we're not mature enough to use properly.

we need to bolster our background checks and make sure all data that should be there in fact is there. then we need to look for profiles of what all these shooters have in common and much like the FBI in the 70s, work to understand why it's happening and learn to predict behaviors and patterns to help us understand the problem.

i've never known too many effective solutions to problems we didn't identify and understand first. gun control has become a political issue and not many problems get fixed at this point but a lot of useless "compromises" are made to appease the masses.

Figuring out why people are so angry that they would resort to shooting people and doing something about it would be a monumental task because the root problems they have are no different than the ones most of us encounter in our life, loss of jobs, rejection by loved ones, failures in life, rejection by peers, drugs, alcohol, etc.

What makes them flip the switch then? Provide a solution or shut up

 

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Trump went on air this morning promoting background checks, increasing the age to purchase a gun, and getting rid of the policy that expunges the records of minors when they turn 18.

Thoughts?

Trump: Congress discussing 'meaningful' gun background checks, NRA will have input

Do any of these changes have a direct impact on any previous shooting?

I don’t know, what do you think? Why do you think trump was promoting those ideas?

mostly "because something must be done" and if he doesn't more people scream.

i'm down for changes. i honestly am. but we need to look deeply into what we're changing and will it have the effect we're after. if not, it makes zero sense to change it.

background checks for all! great. only *at least* 3 shooters in the last several years all got through background checks that should not have. extrapolate that out to people buying guns and only shooting a few people at a time in chicago. so wheee - we did something and now all will be ok.

only it won't be. someone will buy a gun this way and abuse it and we go back to looking for ways to stop them from getting guns again. that doesn't work so we rinse, repeat. how many times do we pass new laws or get more strict? chicago and LA are the most stringent against guns and they have the worst problems.

we need to figure out why people are so angry and work on that. stop worrying about what tool they choose to use to express that anger and address the anger. right now in our society the left and right extremes have people so worked up both sides go out on shooting sprees in the name of their side. *this* is why i feel we're already at a form of a modern day civil war. wars don't have to just use guns to kill. they can use media and lies to morph things into what they want. google is looking to see how they can alter elections. while gun violence is way too much these days, that to me is a much bigger issue. but it's also why people are so angry. if it's NOT happening as the left says and it's all just a lot of conspiracy theories, then why the huge pushback and their own attack on the right? the left is wanting to change everything up and the right says stop it.

and it's gotten WAY out of hand thanks to technology around us we're not mature enough to use properly.

we need to bolster our background checks and make sure all data that should be there in fact is there. then we need to look for profiles of what all these shooters have in common and much like the FBI in the 70s, work to understand why it's happening and learn to predict behaviors and patterns to help us understand the problem.

i've never known too many effective solutions to problems we didn't identify and understand first. gun control has become a political issue and not many problems get fixed at this point but a lot of useless "compromises" are made to appease the masses.

Ice, there’s absolutely no way to know when a nut job is going off if people ignore the signs. The fbi had the parkland dude and he got guns. Law abiding citizens don’t usually go off, but they do. How does one see that. Dude in Aurora’s shooting had a felony record had guns. Take care of the parkland and aurora fails then let’s discuss next steps

 

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Who gives a shit? Makes no difference to the arguments that have been presented

Oh, but indeed it does, and that qualifies as an admission.

I don’t really do labels. If you need to label me as a lib for some reason then go ahead. How is it relevant?

Infringing on gun rights is not the answer. The answer is more Jesus and reopening Sanitariums for people that are obviously crazy. Other countries have Sanitariums, I bet even Cuba does. We used to, until big Pharma talked the government into closing them all because they had some magic beans (pills).
Well it doesn't work like that, obviously.

Although we probably need more psychiatric hospitals, they are not the answer to preventing these mass killings for several reasons. First being, most mass killers would not meet the requirements for admission.

Unfortunately, many people do not have access to proven interventions. Too many people have no health insurance or health insurance with very restrictive mental health care; there have been too many budget cuts to treatment dollars, and there are too few providers available to deliver care. These obstacles should lead to a call to action, not a call to further confine more people.

Most of the shooters are not raving maniacs nor are they criminally insane. They are simply people that have problems that are often no different than that of millions of other people. What this means is that if we are to attack the mass shooter problem via mental health, then we are going to have to provide better mental health counseling for everyone because there is just not that much difference between the metal health problems of most shooters and other people.

Thank you! That was right on. Social emotional learning and mental health counseling during early childhood development is key. Learning coping strategies and methods to deal with the struggles that our youth are facing will give these kids outlets and support so they don’t build up like ticking time bombs.

True.

Unfortunately there is no political will to invest in mental healthcare, no political will to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable mental healthcare; indeed, the WH and Senate are working to ensure neither happen.