Bachmann vs Obama

[hellofromwarsaw]

Ferguson in Paris...feg you morons....LOL!!

 

[BDBoop]

However, the OP doesn't give us that choice. The choice is that it is election day and the only chance to vote. The choices for President for the next four years are Obama or Bachmann. Who do you vote for?

So despite the fact that some are yet again now bringing out all the very tired and worn assigned talking points to bash, smear, or brutalize Bachmann, it still comes down to which one would do the better job running the country or at least would do the least damage.

We have two and a half years of an Obama Presidency to guage what a second term might look like. He has given us zero encouragement to believe he plans to do anything any differently than what he has already done that even many in his own party now agree has been ineffective, incompetent, or damaging. And even if he learns to talk a better game, his track record of follow through has been pretty bad.

As a Tea Partier, there is good reason to believe that Bachmann would focus on, push for and sign legislation for policies that would help, not hinder a strong recovery and at least begin a process to halt a disastrous rush to bankruptcy. There is little or no evidence that she would push any social issues at all.

From where I sit, for anybody who is the least bit objective, it is a no brainer.

Oh, I'm sorry. You must have missed a page.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mv84mjmjEo]‪Michele Bachmann Lies About "Hardball"‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]

What page? A comment taken out of context and looped over and over to create an impression for people who hate Bachmann anyway? Put it into its full context and perhaps it might mean something.

And this is supposed to make a difference in which of two candidates I trust to put America's best interests first?

Yes. It means she lied over and over. "I didn't say it." "That's an urban legend." "That never happened."

None so blind as s/h/it who will not see.

 

[JoeB131]

The heck they do. I remember the 2010 election cycle it was 20 Obama voters to 5 McCain on this board. I think what you're finding is alot of people who voted for Obama on this board are now wearing bags over their heads and are not going to admit it--and now realize that they made a mistake that they're go to correct in 2012.

This thread is the most balanced (liberal/conservative posters) thread I am on--and I am on several.

I think you mean 2008, and no it wasn't. Furthermore, if you don't realize that Conservatives outnumber Liberals by a wide margin on this board then you clearly aren't paying attention.

This board does tilt conservative, but everyone seems to me to be able to get their fair say, which is more than I can say for a lot of other boards I've been on.

 

[mal]

surprised more haven't voted in this.

I'm still Surprised you haven't Voted in your own Poll...



peace...

 

[Steelplate]

This is going to be a meaningless poll. Conservatives outnumber Progressives 10-1 on this board.

But hell... I'll play along. Obama

The heck they do. I remember the 2010 election cycle it was 20 Obama voters to 5 McCain on this board. I think what you're finding is alot of people who voted for Obama on this board are now wearing bags over their heads and are not going to admit it--and now realize that they made a mistake that they're go to correct in 2012.

This thread is the most balanced (liberal/conservative posters) thread I am on--and I am on several.

Obama and McCain did not run in 2010. 2010 was the year of the Tea Party(mid terms). Now all we see is a bunch of buyer's remorse from most people other than the true believers.

 

[L.K.Eder]

ah, another episode of "honest people would agree with foxfyre"

 

[Foxfyre]

Oh, I'm sorry. You must have missed a page.

‪Michele Bachmann Lies About "Hardball"‬‏ - YouTube

What page? A comment taken out of context and looped over and over to create an impression for people who hate Bachmann anyway? Put it into its full context and perhaps it might mean something.

And this is supposed to make a difference in which of two candidates I trust to put America's best interests first?

Yes. It means she lied over and over. "I didn't say it." "That's an urban legend." "That never happened."

None so blind as s/h/it who will not see.

If you can't tell the difference between separate incidents and a loop in a tape, I declare you uneducable.

 

[Foxfyre]

ah, another episode of "honest people would agree with foxfyre"

Honest people would agree with Foxfyre when they know Foxfyre is right. If she's wrong, honest people make a credible argument to show that. Those able to do that get major props from Foxfyre. But again, when the focus becomes Foxfyre, ad hominem or personal attacks, it is obvious the opposition is out of ammunition and Foxfyre wins.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Interesting poll results considering Obama is a sure thing.....

 

[Sallow]

This isn't the thread for it, but on other threads I have laid out his written and spoken words and the initiatives he has promoted that clearly express Marxist ideals as well as the Marxist propensities of many he has surrounded himself with. 100% Marxist? Nobody is. Even those who start out that way quickly give it up after they have achieved unlimited power which is necessary in order to effect the final goals of Marxism. And no way Obama wants to give up any power.

You have to understand that many embrace Marxism without even understanding that they are doing it. So much of it seems to altruistic, reasonable, compassionate, etc.

And I frankly don't care whether Republicans or Democrats get elected so long as they understand the concept of unalienable rights, freedom, and the dynamics that made this the greatest nation on Earth. Marxism means well, but it is anathema to all that.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

Spoken like a true Marxist.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

 

[mal]

That's absolutely ridiculous.

Spoken like a true Marxist.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

 

[Sallow]

Spoken like a true Marxist.

Spoken like a true Nazi.

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

Really?

When did the Marxists build ovens to shove people into.

And those "figures" only work when you aggregate all death and all commie regimes into one big mass.

And if you used the same metics for the United States? Sheesh..we wouldn't look all that good either.

 

[mal]

Spoken like a true Nazi.

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

Really?

When did the Marxists build ovens to shove people into.

And those "figures" only work when you aggregate all death and all commie regimes into one big mass.

And if you used the same metics for the United States? Sheesh..we wouldn't look all that good either.

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

 

[Sallow]

The Marxists damn near Tripled the Nazi's Murder/Death/Kill...



peace...

Really?

When did the Marxists build ovens to shove people into.

And those "figures" only work when you aggregate all death and all commie regimes into one big mass.

And if you used the same metics for the United States? Sheesh..we wouldn't look all that good either.

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

 

[Foxfyre]

Really?

When did the Marxists build ovens to shove people into.

And those "figures" only work when you aggregate all death and all commie regimes into one big mass.

And if you used the same metics for the United States? Sheesh..we wouldn't look all that good either.

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

And I have to call people on the ignorance of thinking the mostly Marxist governments of Lenin/Stalin or Mao or others were somehow more compassionate or less brutal than were the Nazis. And Mal is right that both were more deadly.

To acknowledge that does not in any way condone or justify the unconscionable and indefensible practices of the Nazis. Different systems. But evil just the same.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Everyone on the left says this poll is skewed. I beg to differ. You say conservatives out number libs on this board? Maybe true, and what does that tell you?

Our base is energized and yours isn't. That same base that's sick of Obama is the same base that's gonna vote. I'm proof of it. I've never been on a political forum before. The stupid bs that Obama and the left have pulled drove me like many others to get active.
Obamas "new" base in 08 was formed from empty rhetoric and promises. He has broken all of his "before the end of my first year/term" promises so his base is fractured. Ours is just getting riled up.

 

[mal]

Really?

When did the Marxists build ovens to shove people into.

And those "figures" only work when you aggregate all death and all commie regimes into one big mass.

And if you used the same metics for the United States? Sheesh..we wouldn't look all that good either.

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

What the Nazis did and what "National Socialism" was aren't the same either, Sallow...

You are going out of your way to Excuse Marxism...

Illustrative.



peace...

 

[IndependntLogic]

ah, another episode of "honest people would agree with foxfyre"

Honest people would agree with Foxfyre when they know Foxfyre is right. If she's wrong, honest people make a credible argument to show that. Those able to do that get major props from Foxfyre. But again, when the focus becomes Foxfyre, ad hominem or personal attacks, it is obvious the opposition is out of ammunition and Foxfyre wins.

Here's some honesty:

Anyone who would support Bachmann or even gives her credibility, loses theirs.
Anyone who would support Bachmann and ever complain that Obama is a liar or hypocrite, is so blinded by party, they don't need to post anything here. If we want their opinions, we'll just watch Glenn Beck and drink the kool-aid with them.

This message brought to you by someone who voted against Obama in the polls with "Generic GOP Candidate" and "Perry" as alternatives. No Kool-Aid here.

 

[Luissa]

The Marxists of the Era and the Nazis were both Horrible, Rotten Genocidal Animals...

I am Disturbed that you would use an ounce of Bandwidth to Defend either, Sallow...

I'm not Wasting any more Bandwidth Illustrating just how bad the Nazi's pals in the Former Soviet were...

You should Know better.



peace...

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

What the Nazis did and what "National Socialism" was aren't the same either, Sallow...

You are going out of your way to Excuse Marxism...

Illustrative.



peace...

No he isn't. He is pointing out that the two form of governments are not the same. You are the one adding 2+2 and getting 500.

 

[mal]

I don't defend either. But neither do I buy into fantasy or want to lump all sorts of very different forms of government into one big dark mass.

A Marxist goverment is very different from a Nazi government. But you guys are holding that it isn't. It's like saying Theocracy and a Military Dictatorship are the same. They aren't.

I gotta call you on that stuff.

What the Nazis did and what "National Socialism" was aren't the same either, Sallow...

You are going out of your way to Excuse Marxism...

Illustrative.



peace...

No he isn't. He is pointing out that the two form of governments are not the same. You are the one adding 2+2 and getting 500.

Wrong... You are not following the the Conversation close enough.

Slut.



peace...