Ayn Rands SS checks

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Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).



Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.

Why? She needed the money she was forced to pay.

Hypocritical are all the millionaires saying Social Security is needed in its current state because of the poor while cashing their own checks over and above any of their contributions.

Nice income redistribution from New York to Florida, but subsidizing 3rd houses isn't exactly a sustainable plan.
 
Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.
What....A "die hard" isn't entitled to remuneration from those who have stolen from them?

Oh yeah...I forgot that Fabians/progressives get to tell everyone else what they need to do to be "pure", while they just make up the rules for themselves as they go along.

Well there is something called "Principle" involved..

And agreeing to live in a civilized nation does not preclude you from supporting it's upkeep.

That's something, I guess, Eliminationist/right wing anarchists cannot grasp.
 
Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | | AlterNet


Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

So let me get this straight: If I object to a war but I'm forced to pay for it I am a hypocrite for living under the blanket of security it provides?

Interesting.

Which war and what blanket of security?

Take your pick

The last time our security was seriously threatened was by camps in Afghanistan. They were cleaned out in three weeks or so.

In your opinion. As it turns out you still get whatever security comes your way. I guess according to your logic a "true diehard" would simply move to Egypt or Gaza. Greece perhaps.
 
Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

Rand herself said "there is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

She liked to talk the talk, but in the end didn't walk the walk. She advocated a black and white world, not one with shades of grey. By her own standards, she was a walking hypocrite.

She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:;) She's dead and gone.
Ease up on Mudbutt...The thread gave him his opportunity to squeal "hypocrite!" for today, without having to start one himself. ;)
 
Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.

Why? She needed the money she was forced to pay.

Hypocritical are all the millionaires saying Social Security is needed in its current state because of the poor while cashing their own checks over and above any of their contributions.

Nice income redistribution from New York to Florida, but subsidizing 3rd houses isn't exactly a sustainable plan.

No one forced her to live here.

Or anywhere.

If you live in an apartment..the landlord collects his rent every month.

If you don't wanna pay..move.

Simple.
 
Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

Rand herself said "there is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

She liked to talk the talk, but in the end didn't walk the walk. She advocated a black and white world, not one with shades of grey. By her own standards, she was a walking hypocrite.

More brilliance from the college kid who already knows everything. You're really there to school the professors aren't you? :lol:
 
No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.

Why? She needed the money she was forced to pay.

Hypocritical are all the millionaires saying Social Security is needed in its current state because of the poor while cashing their own checks over and above any of their contributions.

Nice income redistribution from New York to Florida, but subsidizing 3rd houses isn't exactly a sustainable plan.

No one forced her to live here.

Or anywhere.

If you live in an apartment..the landlord collects his rent every month.

If you don't wanna pay..move.

Simple.

You obviously don't own rental property. That's not really how it works.

But ok, you don't think your security was enhanced by taking out Saddam. So give it back then.
 
She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:;) She's dead and gone.

Wrong. This would be akin to an Anti-Gay Preacher being caught with a male escort or Richard Dawkins getting last rites on his death bed. She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

If your problem with this thread is the fact it's a dead person, tough luck. Dead people on both sides of the aisle are routinely criticized on USMB.

Personally, I could care less about Rand, she was a hack writer and a person who receives far more praise then she deserves for those books. Though you can feel free to write a 70 page monologue of your own telling me why I'm wrong.
 
So let me get this straight: If I object to a war but I'm forced to pay for it I am a hypocrite for living under the blanket of security it provides?

Interesting.

Which war and what blanket of security?

Take your pick

The last time our security was seriously threatened was by camps in Afghanistan. They were cleaned out in three weeks or so.

In your opinion. As it turns out you still get whatever security comes your way. I guess according to your logic a "true diehard" would simply move to Egypt or Gaza. Greece perhaps.

I am not going to entertain this analogy further..I did intially because it was easy to dismiss.

But it's a non-sequitur..off topic and in the wrong thread.
 
More brilliance from the college kid who already knows everything. You're really there to school the professors aren't you? :lol:

So instead of addressing the words of Rand herself, you attack me. Nice use of the age card by the way. :thup:
 
She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:;) She's dead and gone.

Wrong. This would be akin to an Anti-Gay Preacher being caught with a male escort or Richard Dawkins getting last rites on his death bed. She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

If your problem with this thread is the fact it's a dead person, tough luck. Dead people on both sides of the aisle are routinely criticized on USMB.

Personally, I could care less about Rand, she was a hack writer and a person who receives far more praise then she deserves for those books. Though you can feel free to write a 70 page monologue of your own telling me why I'm wrong.
Couldn't care less...But she made you post. :lol::lol::lol:

No bonus points for squeezing "hypocrite" into yet another post....The piano has 88 keys, try a new one.
 
Couldn't care less...But she made you post. :lol::lol::lol:

No bonus points for squeezing "hypocrite" into yet another post....The piano has 88 keys, try a new one.

I couldn't care less about Rand, no. However, watching her followers squirm to defend her is entertainment.
 
She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:;) She's dead and gone.

Wrong. This would be akin to an Anti-Gay Preacher being caught with a male escort or Richard Dawkins getting last rites on his death bed. She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

If your problem with this thread is the fact it's a dead person, tough luck. Dead people on both sides of the aisle are routinely criticized on USMB.

Personally, I could care less about Rand, she was a hack writer and a person who receives far more praise then she deserves for those books. Though you can feel free to write a 70 page monologue of your own telling me why I'm wrong.

She practiced what she preached in this context. She didn't think it was a good idea but since she was forced to live under the rules defined by someone else she did.

I didn't want to pay for the new road in front of my house. The time to object was at the planning meeting. Once overruled I still sent the extra tax assessment in and I still drive on it every time I enter or leave my driveway.
 
Couldn't care less...But she made you post. :lol::lol::lol:

No bonus points for squeezing "hypocrite" into yet another post....The piano has 88 keys, try a new one.

I couldn't care less about Rand, no. However, watching her followers squirm to defend her is entertainment.
I'm not one of her followers and the robbed are entitled to recompense form their robbers.
 
Couldn't care less...But she made you post. :lol::lol::lol:

No bonus points for squeezing "hypocrite" into yet another post....The piano has 88 keys, try a new one.

I couldn't care less about Rand, no. However, watching her followers squirm to defend her is entertainment.

Squirm? You really are clueless aren't you?

Too funny. Well at least you have youthful ignorance on your side. The world has a whole host of very painful but ultimately beneficial lessons to teach you. Just don't dumb yourself down too much before that happens.
 
She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:;) She's dead and gone.

Wrong. This would be akin to an Anti-Gay Preacher being caught with a male escort or Richard Dawkins getting last rites on his death bed. She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

If your problem with this thread is the fact it's a dead person, tough luck. Dead people on both sides of the aisle are routinely criticized on USMB.

Personally, I could care less about Rand, she was a hack writer and a person who receives far more praise then she deserves for those books. Though you can feel free to write a 70 page monologue of your own telling me why I'm wrong.

She practiced what she preached in this context. She didn't think it was a good idea but since she was forced to live under the rules defined by someone else she did.

I didn't want to pay for the new road in front of my house. The time to object was at the planning meeting. Once overruled I still sent the extra tax assessment in and I still drive on it every time I enter or leave my driveway.

:rofl:

i'm sorry, i wasn't aware that not cashing SS checks was illegal.

fail
 
She practiced what she preached in this context. She didn't think it was a good idea but since she was forced to live under the rules defined by someone else she did.

I didn't want to pay for the new road in front of my house. The time to object was at the planning meeting. Once overruled I still sent the extra tax assessment in and I still drive on it every time I enter or leave my driveway.

You seem to not understand she didn't practice what she preached. She herself said "there is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

Her characters in her novels had the same opportunity to take advantage in systems they adamantly opposed, so tell me, did they give into the system finding untold riches or did they continue to reject the system?

Seriously, I don't mind if Rand got Social Security since she did pay into it, but don't try to tell me it isn't hypocrisy.

Rand herself said Objectivism deals with absolutes. If you don't like the fact her philosophy is her own worst enemy in this case, not my problem. Also, what you bolded doesn't make sense.
 
Why? She needed the money she was forced to pay.

Hypocritical are all the millionaires saying Social Security is needed in its current state because of the poor while cashing their own checks over and above any of their contributions.

Nice income redistribution from New York to Florida, but subsidizing 3rd houses isn't exactly a sustainable plan.

No one forced her to live here.

Or anywhere.

If you live in an apartment..the landlord collects his rent every month.

If you don't wanna pay..move.

Simple.

You obviously don't own rental property. That's not really how it works.

But ok, you don't think your security was enhanced by taking out Saddam. So give it back then.

:lol: On both points.
 
So she used something she paid for?

and why is this news?

she was huge against crap like welfare. She knew people on it would not improve their lot and it would spread and end up making things worse.

Try to prove her wrong.
 

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