Ayn Rands SS checks

[boedicca]

She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! She's dead and gone.

Wrong. This would be akin to an Anti-Gay Preacher being caught with a male escort or Richard Dawkins getting last rites on his death bed. She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

If your problem with this thread is the fact it's a dead person, tough luck. Dead people on both sides of the aisle are routinely criticized on USMB.

Personally, I could care less about Rand, she was a hack writer and a person who receives far more praise then she deserves for those books. Though you can feel free to write a 70 page monologue of your own telling me why I'm wrong.

Couldn't care less...But she made you post.

No bonus points for squeezing "hypocrite" into yet another post....The piano has 88 keys, try a new one.

Doggie the Bubble Mod probably thinks he has Bösendorfer 290 Imperial. Watch out for 9 more accusations.

 

[Oddball]

She practiced what she preached in this context. She didn't think it was a good idea but since she was forced to live under the rules defined by someone else she did.

I didn't want to pay for the new road in front of my house. The time to object was at the planning meeting. Once overruled I still sent the extra tax assessment in and I still drive on it every time I enter or leave my driveway.

You seem to not understand she didn't practice what she preached. She herself said "there is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

Her characters in her novels had the same opportunity to take advantage in systems they adamantly opposed, so tell me, did they give into the system finding untold riches or did they continue to reject the system?

Seriously, I don't mind if Rand got Social Security since she did pay into it, but don't try to tell me it isn't hypocrisy.

Rand herself said Objectivism deals with absolutes. If you don't like the fact her philosophy is her own worst enemy in this case, not my problem. Also, what you bolded doesn't make sense.

She felt that theft is wrong, as a moral absolute.

What were her feelings on the transgressed getting just compensation?

 

[Mad Scientist]

Google "Ayn Rand Took Social Security Checks?" and you'll see it's the current democrat talking point plastered all over the net.

Or I'll just do it for ya':
Google

 

[daveman]

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | | AlterNet


Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

So let me get this straight: If I object to a war but I'm forced to pay for it I am a hypocrite for living under the blanket of security it provides?

Interesting.

Hey! No fair using logic!

 

[Oddball]

Google "Ayn Rand Took Social Security Checks?" and you'll see it's the current democrat talking point plastered all over the net.

Or I'll just do it for ya':
Google

Gee...All the usual suspects.

Whodathunkit?

 

[daveman]

Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.

What....A "die hard" isn't entitled to remuneration from those who have stolen from them?

Oh yeah...I forgot that Fabians/progressives get to tell everyone else what they need to do to be "pure", while they just make up the rules for themselves as they go along.

You'll take their double standards when you pry them from their cold, dead fingers.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Google "Ayn Rand Took Social Security Checks?" and you'll see it's the current democrat talking point plastered all over the net.

Or I'll just do it for ya':
Google

About 1,310,000 results (0.11 seconds)

lame

I don't understand how people can not separate welfare from SS

 

[Modbert]

She felt that theft is wrong, as a moral absolute.

What were her feelings on the transgressed getting just compensation?

Don't worry, I'm sure she tried to justify it to herself that the same benefits she criticized the "weak and worthless" for receiving were okay for her. At the end of the day however, as I have said twice now, she dealt with absolutes.

As I will once again quote her, "There is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

Can't make it anymore clearer then that. I'm not the one who said it, she did. You seem to think I'm criticizing someone for taking benefits that they paid in for, I'm not. However, feel free to show me where in Atlas Shrugged that Galt had given in to the system that he was fighting and felt was wrong to gain riches to get out of poverty. Was that in a postscript that I missed?

 

[Sallow]

No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.

What....A "die hard" isn't entitled to remuneration from those who have stolen from them?

Oh yeah...I forgot that Fabians/progressives get to tell everyone else what they need to do to be "pure", while they just make up the rules for themselves as they go along.

You'll take their double standards when you pry them from their cold, dead fingers.

You serious?

In Oddball's world your job would not exist.

 

[daveman]

She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

So she should just have let the government keep what they took from her without her permission for so long.

 

[Modbert]

So she should just have let the government keep what they took from her without her permission for so long.

Would John Galt have given into the system in order to gain back some of the money he felt was stolen from him by the government without his permission? Before you answer, do take care to remember that Galt was essentially a outlet for Rand's Objectivist theories.

I personally have no problem with her getting the benefits she paid into the system for. However, the Ayn Rand of twenty years prior would of. Remember, in her own words, "There is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

That's her standard, not mine.

 

[Oddball]

What....A "die hard" isn't entitled to remuneration from those who have stolen from them?

Oh yeah...I forgot that Fabians/progressives get to tell everyone else what they need to do to be "pure", while they just make up the rules for themselves as they go along.

You'll take their double standards when you pry them from their cold, dead fingers.

You serious?

In Oddball's world your job would not exist.

Huh....WHA?!?!?

 

[daveman]

She was a Human Being, like the rest of us. Stop kicking the Messenger. An Athist that believed in Unalienable Right, Conscience, and the Establishment of Justice. OMG, she collected SS like Everybody else, hold the Presses!!!!! She's dead and gone.

Wrong. This would be akin to an Anti-Gay Preacher being caught with a male escort or Richard Dawkins getting last rites on his death bed. She wanted to hold others to standards she did not hold herself, that is the definition of a hypocrite.

If your problem with this thread is the fact it's a dead person, tough luck. Dead people on both sides of the aisle are routinely criticized on USMB.

Personally, I could care less about Rand, she was a hack writer and a person who receives far more praise then she deserves for those books. Though you can feel free to write a 70 page monologue of your own telling me why I'm wrong.

Couldn't care less...But she made you post.

No bonus points for squeezing "hypocrite" into yet another post....The piano has 88 keys, try a new one.

Depends on what model you have.

 

[Oddball]

How many more posts do we get from someone who "could (sic) care less" about Rand?

Do we start a pool?

 

[Annie]

I'm not going to read through all the posts, just respond to the OP. There is no hypocrisy by those that use entitlements that they've been forced to pay into. The real hypocrisy comes from those that are wealthy and on the left who use those entitlements, they leave less resources for those they 'feel for.' Real liberals would pay more than they owe in taxes, refuse social security when they have enough to care for themselves, pay for supplemental health insurance in place of medicare. That would demonstrate their true dedication to the programs for the 'needy.'

 

[Ravi]

So in the end she embraced socialism and spurned the free market. Not unexpected behavior by a deluded novelist.

But it is rather tasty.

"If the government guarantees health care to people, costs have to skyrocket. When someone else is footing the bill for health-care costs, consumers demand medical services without having to consider their real price. The artificially inflated demand this creates sends expenditures soaring out of control. It is irrelevant whether the government finances this spending spree directly, as it does with traditional Medicare, or indirectly, as with Medicare Advantage. In the end, the results are the same.
"The only way to fix the problems caused by government interference in medicine is to eliminate government interference in medicine--not to have some mishmash of government controls and market elements. By returning to a truly free system where each individual is responsible for his own health-care costs, we would unleash the power of capitalism in the medical industry, leading ultimately to high quality, affordable medical care for Americans. Let's start looking at ways to phase out government interference in medicine."


The Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights: Medicare's "Free Market" Facade

 

[daveman]

Google "Ayn Rand Took Social Security Checks?" and you'll see it's the current democrat talking point plastered all over the net.

Or I'll just do it for ya':
Google

Gee...All the usual suspects.

Whodathunkit?

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[daveman]

What....A "die hard" isn't entitled to remuneration from those who have stolen from them?

Oh yeah...I forgot that Fabians/progressives get to tell everyone else what they need to do to be "pure", while they just make up the rules for themselves as they go along.

You'll take their double standards when you pry them from their cold, dead fingers.

You serious?

In Oddball's world your job would not exist.

Really? Do you have a link showing where he calls for the Air Force not to have generator mechanics?

Or is this merely an interpretation of what you perceive to be his world based on your own bigotry against conservatives?

 

[Ernie S.]

Ayn Rand Railed Against Government Benefits, But Grabbed Social Security and Medicare When She Needed Them | | AlterNet


Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

Are you calling her out because she was forced to support the system through taxation and did so or because she accepted the benefits from the system that she paid into when it was her turn to recieve them?

It seems like if you're forced to play the game, you should be allowed to win.

No.

A true die hard would have refused the checks.

Or at least gave them to charity.

Wait a minute! Next the left will be telling me that because I've been successful, they have a right to take away my 401K and give it to those less successful?

 

[daveman]

So she should just have let the government keep what they took from her without her permission for so long.

Would John Galt have given into the system in order to gain back some of the money he felt was stolen from him by the government without his permission? Before you answer, do take care to remember that Galt was essentially a outlet for Rand's Objectivist theories.

I personally have no problem with her getting the benefits she paid into the system for. However, the Ayn Rand of twenty years prior would of. Remember, in her own words, "There is no justification ever for choosing for any part of what you know to be evil."

That's her standard, not mine.

John Galt is a character. Ayn Rand didn't want to go to prison for not paying taxes.