Ayn Rand's Ideal Man Kidnaped, Murdered and Mutilated a Child:

How about we try that again in Context, Sparky???? From your Link. ;)

Ayn Rand's The Little Street

In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero named Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times reffered to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5] Rand also wrote, "The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'... It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal..."[6]

William Edward Hickman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times reffered to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5] Rand also wrote, "The first thing that impresses me about the case is the ferocious rage of a whole society against one man. No matter what the man did, there is always something loathsome in the 'virtuous' indignation and mass-hatred of the 'majority.'

Sounds like a legitimate point to me, an argument against the Death Penalty, too. Personally I believe a certain class of crime, warrants the Death Penalty, especially where zero doubt comes into play. This crime met that mark. Still, as a society, we should not take joy in administering what is due. Miss-Characterizing people to suit Political agenda, demonizing for the cause, the end justifying the means, if only in your imagination, shames your cause, when light is shed on the truth. ;)
 
Ayn Rand's philosophy summarized: The less that individuals give a shit about society and other people, the better off society and all people will be.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Bloody do-gooders always making shit worse! :evil:
 
There are a lot of long words in there, Miss; we're naught but humble pirates. What is it that you want?

Interesting assessment. My reaction to reading the book (eons past) was I liked the story for it's entertainment value, that would seem to dampen your diametrically opposed "observation" with no "in between". As for any dissection of a writer and or that writers work, the inclination of each individual involved in such an endeavor reads heavily on the apprehension of said writer and or work. As an example your interjection of the final paragraph in your post is presumptuous at best, seemingly predicated upon illiberality.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Sorry about the long words. Which of them are a problem?
 
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[...]"It is repulsive to see all these beings with worse sins and crimes in their own lives, virtuously condemning a criminal..."[...]
That sounds good but what sins and crimes are worse than abducting and dismembering an innocent little girl? I can't think of any.

So much for a specious attempt to mitigate for Rand via Hickman.
 
Nah, just opposed to Beck and the Randites turning the USofA into a shithole. There's no excuse for giving a sociopath like Rand the time of day. Luckily her fame and influence is overwhelmingly greater in her acolytes than in the general, normal population.

As opposed to your Socialist Utopia, where everyone else is here to bow down to you and serve your every whim??? Peel me a grape. :lol:

You a mind reader all of a sudden? What foolishness! You don't know me. It's telling though that you'd go that way. If Rand was defensible, you'd defend her. :cool:

I don't need to read your mind to know you are off base. Check your premise. You might want to read up on her Bio. Then again ignorance is bliss. ;)
 
this rand thread isn't as much fun as mine was, and nothing to do with politics. mine got relegated after 900 posts to media or some shit, hopefully at least for political reasons, like obama, my day in the sun has turned cloudy.
 
Ayn Rand's philosophy summarized: The less that individuals give a shit about society and other people, the better off society and all people will be.

Makes perfect sense to me.

Bloody do-gooders always making shit worse! :evil:

When we put the govt in charge of the do-gooding they do make shit worse ;)

Yeah, it really sucked having paved roads to drive to work on this morning.

Those worthless fuckers! :evil:
 
Ayn describes her superman...William Hickman

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"Other people have no right, no hold, no interest or influence on him. And this is not affected or chosen -- it's inborn, absolute, it can't be changed, he has 'no organ' to be otherwise. In this respect, he has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.' "

"He shows how impossible it is for a genuinely beautiful soul to succeed at present, for in all [aspects of] modern life, one has to be a hypocrite, to bend and tolerate. This boy wanted to command and smash away things and people he didn't approve of."

"And when we look at the other side of it -- there is a brilliant, unusual, exceptional boy turned into a purposeless monster. By whom? By what? Is it not by that very society that is now yelling so virtuously in its role of innocent victim? He had a brilliant mind, a romantic, adventurous, impatient soul and a straight, uncompromising, proud character. What had society to offer him? A wretched, insane family as the ideal home, a Y.M.C.A. club as social honor, and a bank-page job as ambition and career"

William Edward Hickman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do REALIZE don't you that what she is describing as SUPERMAN, is a sociopathic personality, right?


A person who has no capacity to empathize or sympathize is a SOCIOPATH, folks.

THAT's what Rand thinks is the IDEAL citizen.

An unthinking, uncaring selfish person who will do WHATEVER IT TAKES to achieve PERSONAL success.

She loves what most of us would recognize as a MONSTER.

:lol: Oh brother. Here come the drama queens.

Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."

:lol::lol:

Thats funny, her hero is a degenerate murderer who would be perfect except for the murdering :lol:
 
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Recently I was rereading Scott Ryan's fascinating, albeit highly technical, critique of Ayn Rand's philosophy, Objectivism and the Corruption of Rationality, and getting a lot more out of it the second time, when I came across a fact culled from a posthumous collection of Rand's journal entries.

In her journal circa 1928 Rand quoted the statement, "What is good for me is right," a credo attributed to a prominent figure of the day, William Edward Hickman. Her response was enthusiastic. "The best and strongest expression of a real man's psychology I have heard," she exulted. (Quoted in Ryan, citing Journals of Ayn Rand, pp. 21-22.)

At the time, she was planning a novel that was to be titled The Little Street, the projected hero of which was named Danny Renahan. According to Rand scholar Chris Matthew Sciabarra, she deliberately modeled Renahan - intended to be her first sketch of her ideal man - after this same William Edward Hickman. Renahan, she enthuses in another journal entry, "is born with a wonderful, free, light consciousness -- [resulting from] the absolute lack of social instinct or herd feeling. He does not understand, because he has no organ for understanding, the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people ... Other people do not exist for him and he does not understand why they should." (Journals, pp. 27, 21-22; emphasis hers.)

"A wonderful, free, light consciousness" born of the utter absence of any understanding of "the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people." Obviously, Ayn Rand was most favorably impressed with Mr. Hickman. He was, at least at that stage of Rand's life, her kind of man.

So the question is, who exactly was he?

William Edward Hickman was one of the most famous men in America in 1928. But he came by his fame in a way that perhaps should have given pause to Ayn Rand before she decided that he was a "real man" worthy of enshrinement in her pantheon of fictional heroes.

You see, Hickman was a forger, an armed robber, a child kidnapper, and a multiple murderer.

Other than that, he was probably a swell guy.

In December of 1927, Hickman, nineteen years old, showed up at a Los Angeles public school and managed to get custody of a twelve-year-old girl, Marian (sometimes Marion) Parker. He was able to convince Marian's teacher that the girl's father, a well-known banker, had been seriously injured in a car accident and that the girl had to go to the hospital immediately. The story was a lie. Hickman disappeared with Marian, and over the next few days Mr. and Mrs. Parker received a series of ransom notes. The notes were cruel and taunting and were sometimes signed "Death" or "Fate." The sum of $1,500 was demanded for the child's safe release. (Hickman needed this sum, he later claimed, because he wanted to go to Bible college!) The father raised the payment in gold certificates and delivered it to Hickman. As told by the article "Fate, Death and the Fox" in crimelibrary.com,

"At the rendezvous, Mr. Parker handed over the money to a young man who was waiting for him in a parked car. When Mr. Parker paid the ransom, he could see his daughter, Marion, sitting in the passenger seat next to the suspect. As soon as the money was exchanged, the suspect drove off with the victim still in the car. At the end of the street, Marion's corpse was dumped onto the pavement. She was dead. Her legs had been chopped off and her eyes had been wired open to appear as if she was still alive. Her internal organs had been cut out and pieces of her body were later found strewn all over the Los Angeles area."

Quite a hero, eh? One might question whether Hickman had "a wonderful, free, light consciousness," but surely he did have "no organ for understanding ... the necessity, meaning, or importance of other people."



Read the rest here: Romancing the Stone-Cold Killer

60+ years later, rand is still a threat to the left. I love it.
 
And that's the problem. When you really take Ayn Rand's ideals into the real world, you find it is the ideals of sociopaths.

That's incredibly stupid logic. I guess we can say everyone who believes the political philosophy of the far left are domestic terrorists because Bill Ayers bombed a bunch of buildings 40 years ago.
 
And that's the problem. When you really take Ayn Rand's ideals into the real world, you find it is the ideals of sociopaths.

That's incredibly stupid logic. I guess we can say everyone who believes the political philosophy of the far left are domestic terrorists because Bill Ayers bombed a bunch of buildings 40 years ago.

Taz you know dam well that isnt the same thing no matter how far you stretch.

How many threads or members are here touting how great Ayn Rands ideals are?

How many threads or members are here touting how great Bill Ayers ideals are?

Which number is greater? Doesnt that matter?
 
60+ years later, rand is still a threat to the left. I love it.
It's not Rand who is the threat but rather it's the psychological deviation of those who find comfort in and become enamored with her twisted ideology.

There is another book, The Turner Diaries, (by William Pierce) which has a similarly captivated following. Another is, Mein Kampf. The followings of the ideologies brought forth in these books and many others are categorical cults.
 
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There's already a thread about this and it has been debunked.
Saying that is meaningless. What can you show to support it?

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I already showed quotes from the link that refuted it. Seriously, dude. What is wrong with you?
I doubt that you did. And even if you did, do it again. Otherwise there is cause to dismiss your meaningless comments as fabricated nonsense.
 
And that's the problem. When you really take Ayn Rand's ideals into the real world, you find it is the ideals of sociopaths.

That's incredibly stupid logic. I guess we can say everyone who believes the political philosophy of the far left are domestic terrorists because Bill Ayers bombed a bunch of buildings 40 years ago.

Taz you know dam well that isnt the same thing no matter how far you stretch.

How many threads or members are here touting how great Ayn Rands ideals are?

How many threads or members are here touting how great Bill Ayers ideals are?

Which number is greater? Doesnt that matter?


Well for starters its not like Ayn Rand was a terrorist or killed anyone. What an idiotic comparison.
 

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