Steelplate
Bluesman
Since you really don't get the difference between a UNIVERSAL Insurance program that folks were forced to pay for all their lives and food stamp, TANF, housing benefits that they NEVER paid into at all in their lives --- you've already obviously fucked yourself..
Trust you with MORE UNIVERSAL crap? No way... Not with that attitude...
No....I understand perfectly the difference between the two. I am all for restarting programs like the CCC and the WPA. Give the taxpayers a return on their investment, upgrade our infrastructure, and give idle people something to do that also serves our Country.
BTW...I am 47. My wife is 49. Both of us have been paying into SS, Medicare(since we started working...for me, it's been since the age of 14) and our Commonwealth of Pennsylvania retirement programs since our early to mid 20's. There are millions of us in similar situations across the country. All I see from you fucks is to rob people like us from a virtual lifetime of investment in our futures.
So, how about this assholes....maybe YOU should learn to understand the difference between public servants, who have been contributing to society their whole lives and people on TANF and whatnot who have never paid into the system....which....contrary to CONSERVATIVE opinion...are few and far between. Most people on a public assistance program are shirt term recipients.
I'm not confused by the diff between welfare and public service retirement. I just find it nasty that leftists are now calling Medicare patients moochers when they were FORCED to pay all their lives for benefits. Evidently there IS a complete lack of reverence for these programs whenever the left needs to squeal about the spending side of things.
I find it TRUELY ODD tho that we get commercials from the Postal Carriers Union on TV URGING us to tell Congress NOT to force the Post Office to FULLY FUND THEIR PENSIONS..
Don't you find that odd too? Seems like everybody KNOWS it's not sustainable for the public to be paying for 2 public servants when only one is working. This all happened because govt wants everyone to live risk-free. So defined benefits were instituted instead of defined contributions. And retirement qualifications kept going down..
Personally -- I think contracts ought to be honored. But changes need to be made in retirement ages and DEFINED benefits. All that goes out the window if the Cities go into bankruptcy or the Post Office shrinks dramatically because of the mess.
No...you misunderstood my post to willowtree. I get tired of hearing from her how now that she's all safe and cozy under her Medicare blanket, that the government needs to fuck everyone else over who have also been paying into the system all of their lives.
I find it odd that you think postal workers don't contribute to their retirements. My brother works for the USPS in Joplin, MO....and they pay into their retirement system with matching funds from their employers. Hey...you guys in the private sector? Why don't you demand real pensions from your employers? We used to have them and the wealthy were still very wealthy.
Your damn right contracts need to be honored. Like I said. Attrition will solve this issue. But it won't be done overnight. It will take long term strategy and a long term mindset. Just like Social Security and Medicare. Yes...we have a Baby Boom bubble that is rapidly approaching. But it will all even out in the long run as those people and the folks on the bubble between the baby boomers and the GenX-ers(like myself) die off.
We have a strong enough country(we are the strongest in the world) to pull this off....easily. We just have to have the courage and conviction to do so. We have to stop thinking of our workforce as pawns in a power grab and as the true backbone of our economy that they are. No one is calling for economic equality....not one of us. But we are calling fir the ability to afford to live in our own country and be the robust consumers that drive business and innovation that's been lacking for 30 + years without going into debt up to our ears.