buttercup
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All I have to prove is that universe didn't cause itself.You assume the universe had a designer and someone to put it in motion. Then you claim this assumption is proof that the designer which you need exists. It's meaningless pap. Furthermore, you are now tasked with proving "the universe didn't get here by itself". Then you have to prove it is only possible that a magical invisible fairy did it. All of your work lies ahead of you.How is my argument circular?Well that sure is not proof of anything, since you could not possibly know the truth of your claim and have not a shred of evidence for it. In fact, that's a circular, meaningless mess.The universe didn't get here by itself.
That's my proof of God.
If I prove that, then there is something else that isn't the universe.
Despite what they say, I think nearly everyone knows intuitively that all of existence - life, the universe, the complexity, beauty, order, etc. did not create itself by dumb luck. Anyone who believes it did has a form of blindness, (spiritual blindness) plain and simple.
TBH, I think that provocative threads like this are usually counterproductive, because all you’re doing is attracting all the angry, prideful, mocking, anti-Christian atheists on this site.