Assad: hero or criminal?

[Coyote]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

 

[Bleipriester]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

If your intention was to start a serious discussion, why do you only post anti-Assad propaganda shit, then?

So here comes the reply this nonsense deserves:

Kobane reduced to ashes by US air force, not Syrian "barrel bombs":

Abu Ghraib, US torture prison:

So before you show up with propaganda against Syria that cannot be bolstered by evidence, go and ask this question about your own government.

 

[Bleipriester]

At this point it's a total unkown - there is no legitimate governance in Syria, just territory held. I started a new thread on Assad specifically.

Yes, there is: The Syrian government.

 

[Bleipriester]

He's proven his inability to govern and has broken his contract to his people through massive civilian attacks.

Not true.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

Yes he definitely deserves support to fight Al Qaeda and ISIS.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

AQ and ISIS would definitely nuke NYC or London, Assad reigned for 40 years and never attack or planned to attack either.

The US has stirred a hornets nest and think they can remain untouched!

 

[MisterBeale]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

Do you have any sources that aren't linked to the CFR, the RIIA, or the round table group?

 

[westwall]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

I pretty much think that any ruler in the Middle East is a criminal anymore. The only question is to what degree.

 

[MisterBeale]

It doesn't matter. Assad is a goner by next spring anyhow.

Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames
First appeared: Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames | New Eastern Outlook
Things are not going great for Assad in Syria as well. The White House has managed to rally opposing Sunni forces in the south. With the assistance of Jordan and the KSA Washington has managed to rally 58 different military units, which mostly adhere to the believes of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). This tactics has already been recognized as a successful model and it will be moved up north, where the main role is to be played by Saudis and Turks. The Islamist groups have already established a strong footing in those regions, provided with a united headquarters in the form of the Jaish al-Fatah group which first demonstrated its ability to coordinate different groups during the battles for Idlib and Hama. Yet it’s curious that while the regional players are supporting radicals, Washington has only been arming the severely weakened moderate opposition.


It is clear that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have come to a consensus over the tactics needed to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, while leaving their views of the future Syrian government aside. Despite the possible struggle for power between them in Syria, these three are only concerned with urging Assad’s departure, while this process is artificially intensified for the operation to reach the final phase as quickly as possible. Arab and Israeli reports suggest that the Syrian government should fall in about 6-8 months. The above mentioned Jaish al-Fatah is directly controlled by Saudi Arabia and Turkey, therefore it will play a crucial role in this overthrow.


These activities are carried out behind Washington’s back, since the latter is now concerned with the creation of a moderate army, that will constitute an alternative to both the Syrian army and the Islamists. The Pentagon has officially initiated the training of opposition groups with the US government allocating some 500 million dollars to fulfill their need . Now a total of 400 militants are going to be trained under this program by American instructors. For comparison – Jaish al-Fatah has already acquired 30 thousand battle capable men.


The team of Riyadh, Doha and Ankara is rushing because of the ongoing attempts by the United States to continue cooperation with Tehran and Damascus in order to contain the Islamic State. It is also clear that any delay will be used by the Americans to build itself a loyal military force, which will be an influential player in a post-Assad Syria. The overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in the coming months, according to the Saudis, Qataris and Turks, will put the United States in a tight corner, and this will allow the above listed states to seriously weaken the growing Iranian influence in the region.


One thing is crystal clear – if Russia and Iran do not take urgent steps to rescue Assad, by end of the year the government in Damascus will be toppled. Urgent military assistance is crucial to counter the cunning plans of the KSA, Turkey and Qatar. There’s no place for personal ambitions in Syria today.
First appeared: Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames | New Eastern Outlook

 

[Bleipriester]

It doesn't matter. Assad is a goner by next spring anyhow.

Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames
First appeared: Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames | New Eastern Outlook
Things are not going great for Assad in Syria as well. The White House has managed to rally opposing Sunni forces in the south. With the assistance of Jordan and the KSA Washington has managed to rally 58 different military units, which mostly adhere to the believes of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). This tactics has already been recognized as a successful model and it will be moved up north, where the main role is to be played by Saudis and Turks. The Islamist groups have already established a strong footing in those regions, provided with a united headquarters in the form of the Jaish al-Fatah group which first demonstrated its ability to coordinate different groups during the battles for Idlib and Hama. Yet it’s curious that while the regional players are supporting radicals, Washington has only been arming the severely weakened moderate opposition.


It is clear that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have come to a consensus over the tactics needed to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, while leaving their views of the future Syrian government aside. Despite the possible struggle for power between them in Syria, these three are only concerned with urging Assad’s departure, while this process is artificially intensified for the operation to reach the final phase as quickly as possible. Arab and Israeli reports suggest that the Syrian government should fall in about 6-8 months. The above mentioned Jaish al-Fatah is directly controlled by Saudi Arabia and Turkey, therefore it will play a crucial role in this overthrow.


These activities are carried out behind Washington’s back, since the latter is now concerned with the creation of a moderate army, that will constitute an alternative to both the Syrian army and the Islamists. The Pentagon has officially initiated the training of opposition groups with the US government allocating some 500 million dollars to fulfill their need . Now a total of 400 militants are going to be trained under this program by American instructors. For comparison – Jaish al-Fatah has already acquired 30 thousand battle capable men.


The team of Riyadh, Doha and Ankara is rushing because of the ongoing attempts by the United States to continue cooperation with Tehran and Damascus in order to contain the Islamic State. It is also clear that any delay will be used by the Americans to build itself a loyal military force, which will be an influential player in a post-Assad Syria. The overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in the coming months, according to the Saudis, Qataris and Turks, will put the United States in a tight corner, and this will allow the above listed states to seriously weaken the growing Iranian influence in the region.


One thing is crystal clear – if Russia and Iran do not take urgent steps to rescue Assad, by end of the year the government in Damascus will be toppled. Urgent military assistance is crucial to counter the cunning plans of the KSA, Turkey and Qatar. There’s no place for personal ambitions in Syria today.
First appeared: Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames | New Eastern Outlook

That´s nonsense. The south tries to mirror the north but yet has to make any progress after several months on the offensive.

 

[MisterBeale]

It doesn't matter. Assad is a goner by next spring anyhow.

Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames
First appeared: Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames | New Eastern Outlook
Things are not going great for Assad in Syria as well. The White House has managed to rally opposing Sunni forces in the south. With the assistance of Jordan and the KSA Washington has managed to rally 58 different military units, which mostly adhere to the believes of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). This tactics has already been recognized as a successful model and it will be moved up north, where the main role is to be played by Saudis and Turks. The Islamist groups have already established a strong footing in those regions, provided with a united headquarters in the form of the Jaish al-Fatah group which first demonstrated its ability to coordinate different groups during the battles for Idlib and Hama. Yet it’s curious that while the regional players are supporting radicals, Washington has only been arming the severely weakened moderate opposition.


It is clear that Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar have come to a consensus over the tactics needed to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, while leaving their views of the future Syrian government aside. Despite the possible struggle for power between them in Syria, these three are only concerned with urging Assad’s departure, while this process is artificially intensified for the operation to reach the final phase as quickly as possible. Arab and Israeli reports suggest that the Syrian government should fall in about 6-8 months. The above mentioned Jaish al-Fatah is directly controlled by Saudi Arabia and Turkey, therefore it will play a crucial role in this overthrow.


These activities are carried out behind Washington’s back, since the latter is now concerned with the creation of a moderate army, that will constitute an alternative to both the Syrian army and the Islamists. The Pentagon has officially initiated the training of opposition groups with the US government allocating some 500 million dollars to fulfill their need . Now a total of 400 militants are going to be trained under this program by American instructors. For comparison – Jaish al-Fatah has already acquired 30 thousand battle capable men.


The team of Riyadh, Doha and Ankara is rushing because of the ongoing attempts by the United States to continue cooperation with Tehran and Damascus in order to contain the Islamic State. It is also clear that any delay will be used by the Americans to build itself a loyal military force, which will be an influential player in a post-Assad Syria. The overthrow of Bashar al-Assad in the coming months, according to the Saudis, Qataris and Turks, will put the United States in a tight corner, and this will allow the above listed states to seriously weaken the growing Iranian influence in the region.


One thing is crystal clear – if Russia and Iran do not take urgent steps to rescue Assad, by end of the year the government in Damascus will be toppled. Urgent military assistance is crucial to counter the cunning plans of the KSA, Turkey and Qatar. There’s no place for personal ambitions in Syria today.
First appeared: Syrian Regime is Going Down in Flames | New Eastern Outlook

That´s nonsense. The south tries to mirror the north but yet has to make any progress after several months on the offensive.

I am interested in independent journalism, stuff free from the editorial over lording of the CFR and the RIIA. That is just one researchers take on the situation. If it doesn't mesh with what you wish to happen, then so be it. Did you read the entire article? That was just a short snip from his research. Perhaps it proves not to be true, perhaps it does. I believe this IS the truth, because it meshes with what the establishment media is starting to ring out as a warning. . . Russia is now worried that Assad may be in Trouble.


Vladimir Putin confirms Russian military involvement in Syria's civil war
Vladimir Putin confirms Russian military involvement in Syria's civil war

Here is another independent journalist on the ground that refutes the contention the Assad is a dictator that forced and coerced everyone to vote for him.

An American visits Syria
An American visits Syria

As the Arab Spring was beginning in Tunisia, Qatar and Saudi Arabia were making their plans to topple Assad. Even as early as 2006 the US had allocated $5 million to finance Syrian opposition. The ante was raised by Qatar in 2011 to $3 Billion by Qatar’s Minister of foreign affairs who also served as Prime Minister, Hamad bin Khalifa Thani. Before the protests ever began, Saudi Arabia had sent weapons which were hidden in tunnels in Darra and near Damascus. They were stored in Syria’s massive underground network. In Daraa, near Syria’s southern border, they were hidden under the Omari Mosque. The Imam of that mosque was Ahmed Alsyasena, a radical extremist who was working with the Saudi Arabian wahabiist Wahabism is an extremist view of Islam and they are nothing more than paid mercenaries from Saudi Arabia. Weapons were also hidden and stored in Bab Amer and Bab Alsebaa in Homs. My friend Mohamad Rahmoun witnessed the terrorists hiding them in Al Nour Mosque near his families home in Al Khabedia. But it was too late to stop them. The protests had begun. Saudi Arabia’s Prince Bandar bin Sultan also supported the attempted take-over of Syria with his wealth. The supreme leader of Liwa al-Islam, the only brigade of al-Qaeda sent into Syria at that time’s chemical weapons specialist Zahran Alloush, had been working for then Saudi intel chief Turki al Faisal in Afghanistan and Yeman. Alloush is the man responsible for the more recent shelling of Damascus in August,2015. The group gained fame due to risky, high-profile attacks. On 8 July 2012, the group carried out a bomb attack against the headquarters of Syria’s National Security Council in Rawda Square, Damascus. The group succeeded in assassinating several high profile members of Syria’s security establishment, including the Deputy Minister of Defense and brother-in-law of President Bashar al-Assad, Assaf Shawkat, Defense Minister Dawoud Rajiha, and Hassan Turkmani, a former Defense Minister and military adviser to then Vice-President Farouk al-Sharaa. And this was done after Alloush’s release from a Syrian prison where he had been held for 2 years because of weapons charges in 2011. Soon afterwards, he called for the cleansing of all Alawites and Shia’s in Damascus. When asked about this statement by The Western press, he stated “I said those things due to the psychological stress I was under.” The West then labeled this man a “moderate rebel” and supported him. As Professor Bhagwat stated at the lectures, “Terrorism is being used for aggression, occupation, economic and political subjugation of the entire Arab region led by the coalition of the US, Israel and NATO. Any government insisting on its own political and economic sovereignty which does not fall in line, is targeted for regime change to install collaborator governments.” In effect, puppet governments.


Over the next 4 years the US, UK, Turkey, France and Israel, which wants in the energy business very badly, joined Qatar and Saudi Arabia in funding the terrorists. The CIA was training a number of them in Jordan. Turkey’s President Erdogen and his Muslim Brotherhood have been US puppets from the onset. The West has thrown everything it has at Syria but still Syria stands because its people stand behind their president. Of this I am certain. The mainstream media will cherry pick only anti-Assad people and only let the world see and hear those who support the corporate media’s agenda, but the numbers tell the real story.

On February 27, 2012 Syria drew up a brand new constitution which is supported by most Syrians. The one point many disagree with is that the President must be a Muslim. Most Muslims would like that eliminated. In June of 2014, Presidential elections were held. Although militants controlled many areas in the East and North, the people still came out to vote! In the Khalidiyah area of Homs, the militants were in control. It didn’t keep the majority of the 500,000 eligible voters from coming out that day. And they are mostly Sunni!. In Lebanon, Syrian refugees lined up for hours on end to cast their votes. President Assad won by an extremely wide margin. Were there legitimate opponents? Some say yes. Some say no. But so many came out that day to show their support. In many ways his determination to stand up against the West and Saudi Arabia has galvanized his presidency.

<snip>

I can’t speak of Arabs or Muslims in Saudi Arabia, but practically every person I met in Syria and Lebanon was genuinely kind, polite, well educated and respectful. Not what we’ve been indoctrinated to believe. I know that if every American could go there we’d be demanding the truth from Washington DC, but that’s not practical. What is practical is the ability to learn. As soon as I retired, I began reading. In 2012, I began by reading S. Brian Willson’s book “Blood on the Tracks.” Another great read is Sibel Edmonds’ “Classified Woman.” She was an FBI translator for the FBI, and what she discovered about 9/11 is stunning. In that book you’ll see how our government keeps the truth from surfacing and you’ll see the dirty, clandestine agreements we make with Turkey. Imagine how much better off we all would be if less tax money went into “protecting us,” and instead went into our own infrastructure. Think of how it might effect the immigration problem if less people were forced to leave their homes in war torn countries that our government is very much responsible for. Everywhere I went in Syria, people of all ages asked me to deliver this message. “Please tell the Americans the truth!” The internet is what I refer to as “The Weapon of Peace.” Because of it, every country’s military can no longer de-humanize the “enemy.” Truth is, most people want the same thing. Peace. I hear people ask “why don’t Muslims speak out against these terrorists?” They do. Its simply not in the interest of mainstream media to report that. You have to dig for the truth. And by having gone to Syria, I am more certain of the truth than ever before. Remember when 60 Minutes reported that Assad was starving his own people in Homs? I spoke to many residents from Homs. The truth is the terrorists took over 1 section of the city. Assad told his citizens to leave. Most did. Then he starved the terrorists. Were a handful of them Syrian? Probably. There’s the half truth! Same as in the center of Aleppo more recently. Were some of those terrorists Syrian? If so, then the media wasn’t really lying. But you get the point.

 

[Bleipriester]

I am interested in independent journalism, stuff free from the editorial over lording of the CFR and the RIIA. That is just one researchers take on the situation. If it doesn't mesh with what you wish to happen, then so be it. Did you read the entire article? That was just a short snip from his research. Perhaps it proves not to be true, perhaps it does. I believe this IS the truth, because it meshes with what the establishment media is starting to ring out as a warning. . . Russia is now worried that Assad may be in Trouble.

How many articles were shitted in our faces, stating how soon the Syrian government will fall? 100, 500, 1000?
I told you, they did not achieve anything, what you believe is up to you. Each time, the "rebels" launch an offensive, the "independent" medias predict their soon victory like rabid dogs.

You better take a look here, there is nothing that indicates the fall of the Syrian government.
Free Syrian Army launches offensive in a bid to take to take Daraa City | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[irosie91]

Syria has the support of the AXIS POWERS------it will hold
strong until the end-----just as did the Vichy government

 

[Bleipriester]

Syria has the support of the AXIS POWERS------it will hold
strong until the end-----just as did the Vichy government

About one year ago, our Nusra fanboy Freeman predicted Assad´s fall for the end of 2014, enqueuing himself into the long roundel of failed "prophets" that consists of Islamists and western "experts".
MisterBeal will see in one year, that his beloved source as wrong, as well.

 

[aris2chat]

criminal
war criminal
crimes against humanity
use of chemical weapons against his own people
torture
massacre
brutality
racial genocide
religious genocide
terrorism
........................

 

[Bleipriester]

criminal
war criminal
crimes against humanity
use of chemical weapons against his own people
torture
massacre
brutality
racial genocide
religious genocide
terrorism
........................

Good description of your "rebels". Always easy to get to know scum like you. Just listen of what the scum accuses others.

 

[Coyote]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

If your intention was to start a serious discussion, why do you only post anti-Assad propaganda shit, then?

So here comes the reply this nonsense deserves:

Kobane reduced to ashes by US air force, not Syrian "barrel bombs":

Abu Ghraib, US torture prison:

So before you show up with propaganda against Syria that cannot be bolstered by evidence, go and ask this question about your own government.

My intention was to present my point of view on Assad - and you are free to refute it or not. Just as you were free to create your own thread had you so wished.

Instead of refuting it, you try and deflect it by complaining about the US's actions. I'm no supporter of our actions in regards to Abu Ghraib, "extraordinary rendition" or a host of other actions that were nothing more than cover ups for torture. You are wasting your time here. If you've gotten that out of your system, let's discuss Assad. If you are calling it propoganda - then disprove it.

However - my government has not bombed it's pwn civilians. I consider that a plus.

 

[Coyote]

At this point it's a total unkown - there is no legitimate governance in Syria, just territory held. I started a new thread on Assad specifically.

Yes, there is: The Syrian government.

What "Syrian government"? Assad? ISIS? Where are there any indications of governance?

 

[Coyote]

This is a spin off from another thread.

Does Assad deserve support and to maintain his regime?

Consider his actions:
When a photographer-archivist working for Syria’s military police defected with grisly evidence of the regime’s brutality, he became a war-crimes whistle-blower.

Caesar and his squad, using Fuji and Nikon digital cameras, would painstakingly photograph the remains of people from all walks of life: men, women, young, old, Sunnis, Christians. The security forces responsible for the killings even went after Alawites, the close-knit Islamic sect to which Assad and the rest of the ruling elite belong. (Some of the bodies, as is evident in Caesar’s photographs, arrived with what turned out to be an ironic marking—a tattoo of Bashar al-Assad’s face.) While a number of the victims, according to Syrian opposition figures, might be considered anti-regime activists, the rest simply found themselves for whatever reason on the wrong side of the regime. In many cases, sources say, individuals had merely been detained at checkpoints by guards who found their loyalties suspect based on their religion, where they lived, or even their demeanor.

These unfortunates may have lived and died in different ways, but they were bound in death by coded numerals scribbled on their skin with markers, or on scraps of paper affixed to their bodies. The first set of numbers (for example, 2935 in the photographs at bottom) would denote a prisoner’s I.D. The second (for example, 215) would refer to the intelligence branch responsible for his or her death. Underneath these figures, in many cases, would appear the hospital case-file number (for example, 2487/B). Such documentation is reminiscent of schemes used by the Nazis during World War II and is eerily reminiscent of an image bank collected by the Khmer Rouge during their Cambodian reign of terror in the 1970s.

According to David Crane, a war-crimes prosecutor who helped put Liberian strongman Charles Taylor away for half a century, the system of organizing and recording the dead served three ends: to satisfy Syrian authorities that executions were carried out; to ensure that no one was improperly discharged; and to allow military judges to represent to families—by producing official-seeming death certificates—that their loved ones had died of natural causes. In many ways, these facilities were ideal for hiding “unwanted” individuals, alive or dead. As part of the Ministry of Defense, the hospitals were already fortified, which made it easy to shield their inner workings and keep away families who might come looking for missing relatives. “These hospitals provide cover for the crimes of the regime,” said Nawaf Fares, a top Syrian diplomat and tribal leader who defected in 2012. “People are brought into the hospitals, and killed, and their deaths are papered over with documentation.” When I asked him, during a recent interview in Dubai, Why involve the hospitals at all?, he leaned forward and said, “Because mass graves have a bad reputation.”

That's a start. We can also move on to the barrel bombings and the horrific and indiscriminate nature of their injuries. A type of bomb designed not just to kill but to maim all within reach with horrific injuries. Targets were civilian populations. http://www.newsweek.com/united-nations-assads-barrel-bombs-continue-kill-syrian-civilians-347782

Do you have any sources that aren't linked to the CFR, the RIIA, or the round table group?

What are CFR, RIIA and the round table group?

 

[Coyote]

He's proven his inability to govern and has broken his contract to his people through massive civilian attacks.

Not true.

He has not attacked civilians?