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It can also lead to a thing we call "projection", Jethro. :rofl:

OK, thanks for reminding me...

Is there a right wing pea brain on this planet that doesn't pose every issue using projection?

Psychological projection is a form of defense mechanism in which someone attributes thoughts, feelings, and ideas which are perceived as undesirable to someone else.
Don't have a mirror in your house, do ya? :lol::lol::lol:
 
My single question...is there a right wing pea brain on this planet that doesn't pose every issue in a polarized manner?

Polarized Thinking (false choice, dichotomy, primal thinking, false dilemma, black and white thinking): This is the fallacy of thinking that things are either black or white, good or bad, all or nothing. This fallacy can lead to rigid and harmful rules based on primal thinking when it is efficient to compress complex information into simplistic categories for rapid decision making during times of stress, conflict, or threat. Polarized thinking can also lead to unhelpful forms of perfectionism. The reality often lies in the sizable middle ground between these extreme poles.

The same could be asked about left wing nuts and you are completely dishonest if you deny that.

both sides have their gadflies who seek to generate heat more than light. This thread is merely an example of a rightie doing so. I am sure that there are other threads started by lefties that do much the same thing.


Oddly though, I don't see you in those threads hollering at the left leaning morons....
 
The same could be asked about left wing nuts and you are completely dishonest if you deny that.

both sides have their gadflies who seek to generate heat more than light. This thread is merely an example of a rightie doing so. I am sure that there are other threads started by lefties that do much the same thing.


Oddly though, I don't see you in those threads hollering at the left leaning morons....

I rarely even take the time to read them.

Oddly though, even though you are here in this thread, I don't seen you hollering at Frank for starting it....

care to explain that, or are you just being INTENTIONALLY hypocritical?

and you should note that I took the time to answer every one of his questions and did not holler at him at all.
 
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both sides have their gadflies who seek to generate heat more than light. This thread is merely an example of a rightie doing so. I am sure that there are other threads started by lefties that do much the same thing.


Oddly though, I don't see you in those threads hollering at the left leaning morons....

I rarely even take the time to read them.

Oddly though, even though you are here in this thread, I don't seen you hollering at Frank for starting it....

care to explain that, or are you just being INTENTIONALLY hypocritical?

Eh, I just don't have much interest in Frank to be honest, but if you will read some of my posts I have called out idiots on the left and the right. For instance, go check out the thread about social security numbers where a certain right winged moron started popping off the "he's not an American" bs I hammered him. Stupid is stupid, and I have o problem saying so.
 
Oddly though, I don't see you in those threads hollering at the left leaning morons....

I rarely even take the time to read them.

Oddly though, even though you are here in this thread, I don't seen you hollering at Frank for starting it....

care to explain that, or are you just being INTENTIONALLY hypocritical?

Eh, I just don't have much interest in Frank to be honest, but if you will read some of my posts I have called out idiots on the left and the right. For instance, go check out the thread about social security numbers where a certain right winged moron started popping off the "he's not an American" bs I hammered him. Stupid is stupid, and I have o problem saying so.

and please show where I have "hollered" at any rightie for this offense.
 
4. Are you ever going to address the funding shortfalls in the Federal social programs?

Wall Street Targets the Elderly

Looting Social Security

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Hank Paulson, the Gold Sacks bankster/US Treasury Secretary, who deregulated the financial system, caused a world crisis that wrecked the prospects of foreign banks and governments, caused millions of Americans to lose retirement savings, homes, and jobs, and left taxpayers burdened with multi-trillions of dollars of new US debt, is still not in jail. He is writing in the New York Times urging that the mess he caused be fixed by taking away from working Americans the Social Security and Medicare for which they have paid in earmarked taxes all their working lives.

Wall Street’s approach to the poor has always been to drive them deeper into the ground.

As there is no money to be made from the poor, Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. It has always been thus. During the Reagan administration, Wall Street decided to boost the values of its bond and stock portfolios by using Social Security revenues to lower budget deficits. Wall Street figured that lower deficits would mean lower interest rates and higher bond and stock prices.

Two Wall Street henchmen, Alan Greenspan and David Stockman, set up the Social Security raid in this way: The Carter administration had put Social Security in the black for the foreseeable future by establishing a schedule for future Social Security payroll tax increases. Greenspan and Stockman conspired to phase in the payroll tax increases earlier than was needed in order to gain surplus Social Security revenues that could be used to finance other government spending, thus reducing the budget deficit. They sold it to President Reagan as “putting Social Security on a sound basis.”

We constantly hear from Wall Street gangsters and from Republicans and an occasional Democrat that Social Security and Medicare are a form of welfare that we can’t afford, an “unfunded liability.” This is a lie. Social Security is funded with an earmarked tax. People pay for Social Security and Medicare all their working lives. It is a pay-as-you-go system in which the taxes paid by those working fund those who are retired.

Currently these systems are not in deficit. The problem is that government is using earmarked revenues for other purposes. Indeed, since the 1980s Social Security revenues have been used to fund general government. Today Social Security revenues are being used to fund trillion dollar bailouts for Wall Street and to fund the Bush/Obama wars of aggression against Muslims.

Whole article...

Paul Craig Roberts served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of "Reaganomics."
 
4. Are you ever going to address the funding shortfalls in the Federal social programs?

Wall Street Targets the Elderly

Looting Social Security

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Hank Paulson, the Gold Sacks bankster/US Treasury Secretary, who deregulated the financial system, caused a world crisis that wrecked the prospects of foreign banks and governments, caused millions of Americans to lose retirement savings, homes, and jobs, and left taxpayers burdened with multi-trillions of dollars of new US debt, is still not in jail. He is writing in the New York Times urging that the mess he caused be fixed by taking away from working Americans the Social Security and Medicare for which they have paid in earmarked taxes all their working lives.

Wall Street’s approach to the poor has always been to drive them deeper into the ground.

As there is no money to be made from the poor, Wall Street fleeces them by yanking away their entitlements. It has always been thus. During the Reagan administration, Wall Street decided to boost the values of its bond and stock portfolios by using Social Security revenues to lower budget deficits. Wall Street figured that lower deficits would mean lower interest rates and higher bond and stock prices.

Two Wall Street henchmen, Alan Greenspan and David Stockman, set up the Social Security raid in this way: The Carter administration had put Social Security in the black for the foreseeable future by establishing a schedule for future Social Security payroll tax increases. Greenspan and Stockman conspired to phase in the payroll tax increases earlier than was needed in order to gain surplus Social Security revenues that could be used to finance other government spending, thus reducing the budget deficit. They sold it to President Reagan as “putting Social Security on a sound basis.”

We constantly hear from Wall Street gangsters and from Republicans and an occasional Democrat that Social Security and Medicare are a form of welfare that we can’t afford, an “unfunded liability.” This is a lie. Social Security is funded with an earmarked tax. People pay for Social Security and Medicare all their working lives. It is a pay-as-you-go system in which the taxes paid by those working fund those who are retired.

Currently these systems are not in deficit. The problem is that government is using earmarked revenues for other purposes. Indeed, since the 1980s Social Security revenues have been used to fund general government. Today Social Security revenues are being used to fund trillion dollar bailouts for Wall Street and to fund the Bush/Obama wars of aggression against Muslims.


Whole article...

Paul Craig Roberts served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as a co-founder of "Reaganomics."

I wonder if you understand exactly what an unfunded liability is as concerns our government. I'm pretty sure you don't. It has nothing to do with welfare. It has to do with a program that has a dedicated tax but the projected cost is predicted to be more than the projected income of the taxes meant to pay for the programs.

I have never heard any politician refer to social security as welfare, but if they have, they are wrong, except for the case of SSI which IS in fact welfare.
 
and please show where I have "hollered" at any rightie for this offense.

Wow...you're into being civil with posters for a change....thats novel...

No, you're right ...the gov. job isn't to kill weeds in your yard....

Is it the gov.s job to confiscate what I've earned and give it to those that failed to earn things on their own....do I have to pay for someone else's cell phone because they can't afford one?
How about their medical bills? How about their taxes ? Or maybe their hypodermic needles and condoms....???

You vote for the assholes that legislate laws to force me to do these things so you must believe its the governments job....and
Please...no strawman crap, I 'm not in the mood...
 
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you can't be a Progressive and a Marxist and a Fabian any more than you can be a catholic, a hindu, and a biblical Christian.


You just throw labels around without knowing what they mean, don't you?

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There are questions I'd like to ask of Progressives and what better place than here:

1. Is government the answer to every problem?

2. Why did Obama run as a fiscal Conservative?

3. If mankind is warming the planet with CO2 how come you can't replicate the results in even a single laboratory experiment?

4. Are you ever going to address the funding shortfalls in the Federal social programs?

5. Is there any Democrat currently in government that is "too far Left"?

1. No. There is no replacement for the family. When nobody loves a child, almost 98% of the time it will grow up to be damaged and a burden on the rest of us. And no bureaucracy can be run with a profit motive. Lean, efficient operations are inherently not governmental in nature.

2. WTF ever claimed Obama was a fiscal conservative?

3. I dunno, as I am not a scientist. However I'm guessing it might be hard to duplicate the Polar Ice Caps in a lab.

4. Yes. Get Big Business off the government tit and let's see how things stand.

5. There are plenty of pols who claim to be "liberals" or "progressives" I disagree with. I think Pelosi and Clinton (actually both Clintons) are a waste of space.

Let me ask YOU a few questions, CrusaderFrank:

1. Why is change so scary you try and prevent it every single time?

2. Why do you cling to Palin as if she were a viable adult?

3. Why do you resist the need to transition from fossil fuels to alternative energy?

4. Are you ever going to address the abomination of Corporate Welfare?

5. Are you ever going to divorce yourself from the lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers that prevent the voices of fiscal conservatism from sounding balanced or wise or appealing to mainstream America?
 
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1. Is government the answer to every problem?
no. and I know of no progressive who has even suggested otherwise

And I've never seen a progressive, leftist, socialist, fabian, marxist suggest anything BUT government solutions.

there are PLENTY of problems for which government solutions are inappropriate. The dandelions in my lawn that get there because my lazy neighbor won't treat HIS lawn and the seeds drift over onto mine. The catbird that hangs around my birdfeeder and drives all the other birds away... those are problems that goverment has NO businesss in at all

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4. Are you ever going to address the funding shortfalls in the Federal social programs?
not just yet. Neither did you all when you ran everything for six years. we'll get to is about as fast as YOU got to it.

That's because both Bushes were big government conservatives of the 'progressive' wing of the Republican party. Not of the Libertarian or conservative wing that is currently showing it's strength through the Tea Party movement. Both Bushes just wanted to grow "Republican Government" which is nothing more than religious progressivism. Same road, just the other side of the street in hell when you get there.
hey... if the Bushes are so terrible, why did your party nominate them for the presidency four times in the last twenty two years? quit yer bitchin'.:razz:
Not my party. Not my Bushes. Just cause I'm conservative doesn't make me republican. You assume much incorrectly.
 
And I've never seen a progressive, leftist, socialist, fabian, marxist suggest anything BUT government solutions.

there are PLENTY of problems for which government solutions are inappropriate. The dandelions in my lawn that get there because my lazy neighbor won't treat HIS lawn and the seeds drift over onto mine. The catbird that hangs around my birdfeeder and drives all the other birds away... those are problems that goverment has NO businesss in at all

That's because both Bushes were big government conservatives of the 'progressive' wing of the Republican party. Not of the Libertarian or conservative wing that is currently showing it's strength through the Tea Party movement. Both Bushes just wanted to grow "Republican Government" which is nothing more than religious progressivism. Same road, just the other side of the street in hell when you get there.
hey... if the Bushes are so terrible, why did your party nominate them for the presidency four times in the last twenty two years? quit yer bitchin'.:razz:
Not my party. Not my Bushes. Just cause I'm conservative doesn't make me republican. You assume much incorrectly.


I see the same.......... why don't libbies understand that CON is the traditional abbreviation for the Constitution while con is the traditional abbreviation for conservative and neither is the sole province of the Republican Party?
 
1. Why is change so scary you try and prevent it every single time?

Socialism's track record is 100 million killed for the sake of the state. That's pretty scary in my book. I think we're wise to avoid it at all costs.

2. Why do you cling to Palin as if she were a viable adult?

:wtf: This is a question or bout of Terets?

3. Why do you resist the need to transition from fossil fuels to alternative energy?

Because it can't meet the needs filled easily by fossil fuel and won't be functional for almost a century from now at the earliest. You can't go replacing what we get 80% of all our energy to something that is unproven and incapable of providing the same energy density with the same quality and consistency. It is called a guaranteed failure and will assure the collapse of western culture. Why do you hate western culture so much?

4. Are you ever going to address the abomination of Corporate Welfare?

I hope to do the same with the ending of all social safety net programs that are even more wasteful as well.

5. Are you ever going to divorce yourself from the lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers that prevent the voices of fiscal conservatism from sounding balanced or wise or appealing to mainstream America?

:rolleyes: 70% of America is being called "fringe" for supporting the Arizona Illegal Immigration Law. Who are the fringers again and how are we defining this now?
 
Big Fitz wrote in part:

Are you ever going to divorce yourself from the lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers that prevent the voices of fiscal conservatism from sounding balanced or wise or appealing to mainstream America?

70% of America is being called "fringe" for supporting the Arizona Illegal Immigration Law. Who are the fringers again and how are we defining this now?

I'm not referring to any legitimate political disagreements as you well know. I'm talking about Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson (CEO of the "700 Club"), the Heritage Foundation and every other wing nut you have allowed to share the conservative spotlight. You cannot curry favor with both the normal and the utterly stupid at the same time.
 
Republicans deregulated Wall Street.

This allowed the mortgage market to move from Freddie/Fannie to Wall Street where they literally GAVE mortgages away, bundled them together, insured them as "securities", sold the securities overseas to unsuspecting investors and then collected the insurance when the securities tanked.

This resulted in a world wide economic meltdown.

If we kept following the Republican policies that started this disaster, we would be in a Great Depression rather than slowly coming out of a Great Recession.

Obama's only mistake was trying to reach across the isle and work with people who have publicly announced they want him to fail.

The Republican Party has become so dirty. Lying to the American People. The White Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabags.

Go see a vet about getting a rabies shot

When a Confederate Republican can't disagree, they call names. Every time. Oh so predictable.
 
Big Fitz wrote in part:

Are you ever going to divorce yourself from the lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers that prevent the voices of fiscal conservatism from sounding balanced or wise or appealing to mainstream America?

70% of America is being called "fringe" for supporting the Arizona Illegal Immigration Law. Who are the fringers again and how are we defining this now?

I'm not referring to any legitimate political disagreements as you well know. I'm talking about Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson (CEO of the "700 Club"), the Heritage Foundation and every other wing nut you have allowed to share the conservative spotlight. You cannot curry favor with both the normal and the utterly stupid at the same time.
Have you ever listened to pundits on your side of the coin on the radio like Alan Combes, Randy Rhodes, Thom Hartmann and Ed Schultz? They are not what I would consider sane, intelligent OR rational. Most times I have heard their shows they scream about how unfair the world is and how we should take from those that have and give to those who haven't and damn the consequences cause they feel bad. Nothing more than emotional reactionaries with little care for reason, fact, truth or ethics except in how it profits them. These morons support groups that are nothing more than ecoterrorists, anarchists and nihilists who desire to return the world to a pre industrial... even pre-agrarian lifestyle. Absolute malthusians.

You cannot curry favor with both normal and the utterly stupid at the same time.
 
Big Fitz wrote in part:

Are you ever going to divorce yourself from the lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers that prevent the voices of fiscal conservatism from sounding balanced or wise or appealing to mainstream America?

70% of America is being called "fringe" for supporting the Arizona Illegal Immigration Law. Who are the fringers again and how are we defining this now?

I'm not referring to any legitimate political disagreements as you well know. I'm talking about Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Pat Robertson (CEO of the "700 Club"), the Heritage Foundation and every other wing nut you have allowed to share the conservative spotlight. You cannot curry favor with both the normal and the utterly stupid at the same time.


Why do you argue that Beck,Limbaugh,Palin,Robertson, etc are nuts while not at the same time admitting the same about Maddow,Pelosi,Reid,Obama,Ayers,Holder, etc etc. Only the right has fringe nuts?
 
I don't have a "side", Big Fitz. I have never even heard of a single person you mentioned. I don't usually get my political POVs from the side of a box of cracker jacks.

You DO have a side. As is obvious by your calling out fringe members of the right while totally neglecting fringe members of the left. It's undeniable.
 
I don't happen to see Holder as a "lefty". Obama seems to have wandered off the reservation as well. I have no idea who the fuck Maddow is -- a sports announcer with a beer belly? IMO, Pelosi is a waste of space.

And how the fuck is Ayers relevant?
 

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