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[gettingold]

you can't be a Progressive and a Marxist and a Fabian any more than you can be a catholic, a hindu, and a biblical Christian.


You just throw labels around without knowing what they mean, don't you?

sure you can. They all come under the same flag of "Collectivist" instead of individualist

 

[Bfgrn]

you can't be a Progressive and a Marxist and a Fabian any more than you can be a catholic, a hindu, and a biblical Christian.


You just throw labels around without knowing what they mean, don't you?

sure you can. They all come under the same flag of "Collectivist" instead of individualist

"Collectivist" like 'You are either with us, or against us'?

"It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
President George W. Bush

Or, "Collectivist" like...the most collectivist existence in history of mankind...the military?

Or, "Collectivist" like War?

 

[Immanuel]

you can't be a Progressive and a Marxist and a Fabian any more than you can be a catholic, a hindu, and a biblical Christian.


You just throw labels around without knowing what they mean, don't you?

Wait a minute!

Are you saying that Catholics are not "biblical" Christians?

I'm not Catholic but that simply does not make sense to me.

What other (besides biblical) Christians are there? Please, define the term "biblical Christian".

Immie

PS I'm Lutheran, but I'm not so foolish as to believe that my denomination has ALL the answers.

 

[gettingold]

you can't be a Progressive and a Marxist and a Fabian any more than you can be a catholic, a hindu, and a biblical Christian.


You just throw labels around without knowing what they mean, don't you?

sure you can. They all come under the same flag of "Collectivist" instead of individualist

"Collectivist" like 'You are either with us, or against us'?

"It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
President George W. Bush

Or, "Collectivist" like...the most collectivist existence in history of mankind...the military?

Or, "Collectivist" like War?

none of the above

 

[Bfgrn]

sure you can. They all come under the same flag of "Collectivist" instead of individualist

"Collectivist" like 'You are either with us, or against us'?

"It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
President George W. Bush

Or, "Collectivist" like...the most collectivist existence in history of mankind...the military?

Or, "Collectivist" like War?

none of the above

As I surmised...

 

[skookerasbil]

This thread is definitive proof that there is no such thing as objective truth to a k00k progressive.

Look at the responses by the k00ks to question #4........................


not AT ALL inmportant to them!!!!



Mostly because it doesnt have to be. Its not important because these peoople have no real responsibilities in life except paying the rent bill, making sure they make it to work on time ( if they even have a job) and funding their illicit drug habit. Of course they are not going to give a shit about the future of our children.


When you have a job of high responsibility, a bunch of kids, a mortgage, bills, concerns with the direction of the culture.........the inmplications of unfunded debt mean everything. This is something the k00ks simply cant comprehend.

Your scurrilous description of 'these peoople' only serves as a window into YOUR character.

Unfunded debt...you mean like the trillion dollar cost of two wars with no war tax to fund them, and instead, you lower taxes for the top 1%?

see what I mean.......................

This is the sentiment only of the internet k00ks...............

To the rest of America, heres the perfect representation of the political dynamic on the debt in 2010 ( the k00ks still think it is 2006!!!)




Bush Debt.........

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Obama debt...........

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LOL........the internet k00ks probably still dont get it...............

 

[Bfgrn]

This thread is definitive proof that there is no such thing as objective truth to a k00k progressive.

Look at the responses by the k00ks to question #4........................


not AT ALL inmportant to them!!!!



Mostly because it doesnt have to be. Its not important because these peoople have no real responsibilities in life except paying the rent bill, making sure they make it to work on time ( if they even have a job) and funding their illicit drug habit. Of course they are not going to give a shit about the future of our children.


When you have a job of high responsibility, a bunch of kids, a mortgage, bills, concerns with the direction of the culture.........the inmplications of unfunded debt mean everything. This is something the k00ks simply cant comprehend.

Your scurrilous description of 'these peoople' only serves as a window into YOUR character.

Unfunded debt...you mean like the trillion dollar cost of two wars with no war tax to fund them, and instead, you lower taxes for the top 1%?

see what I mean.......................

This is the sentiment only of the internet k00ks...............

To the rest of America, heres the perfect representation of the political dynamic on the debt in 2010 ( the k00ks still think it is 2006!!!)




Bush Debt.........http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e305/baldaltima/0411_flatchested_17_full.jpg



Obama debt...........http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e305/baldaltima/TeddiBarrett13_jpg.



LOL........the internet k00ks probably still dont get it...............

WHO is the k00k???

Who is to blame for FY 2009 deficits?

 

[gettingold]

"Collectivist" like 'You are either with us, or against us'?

"It is with absolute frankness that we speak of this struggle of the proletariat; each man must choose between joining our side or the other side. Any attempt to avoid taking sides in this issue must end in fiasco."
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"O con noi o contro di noi"--You're either with us or against us.
Benito Mussolini

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
President George W. Bush

Or, "Collectivist" like...the most collectivist existence in history of mankind...the military?

Or, "Collectivist" like War?

none of the above

As I surmised...

the chart on page 24 will show you where all the belief systems stand in relation to each other

http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

 

[Bfgrn]

none of the above

As I surmised...

the chart on page 24 will show you where all the belief systems stand in relation to each other

http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

Actually, I can endorse almost all of the Individualism model. BUT, where you and I probably part company is not in ideology but awareness. Pay particular attention to the last sentences in 'Means of production' and 'Economic model'...'no advantage for political influence' and 'minimal state interference'

Then seek out knowledge and understanding of regulatory capture, corporate welfare, corporate socialism, corporate cost externalization and the vast political influence OF corporations.

In a TRUE free market, you can't get rich by making other people poor, or use political influence to burdening everyone else with YOUR costs.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There are questions I'd like to ask of Progressives and what better place than here:

1. Is government the answer to every problem?

2. Why did Obama run as a fiscal Conservative?

3. If mankind is warming the planet with CO2 how come you can't replicate the results in even a single laboratory experiment?

4. Are you ever going to address the funding shortfalls in the Federal social programs?

5. Is there any Democrat currently in government that is "too far Left"?

1. No. There is no replacement for the family. When nobody loves a child, almost 98% of the time it will grow up to be damaged and a burden on the rest of us. And no bureaucracy can be run with a profit motive. Lean, efficient operations are inherently not governmental in nature.

2. WTF ever claimed Obama was a fiscal conservative?

3. I dunno, as I am not a scientist. However I'm guessing it might be hard to duplicate the Polar Ice Caps in a lab.

4. Yes. Get Big Business off the government tit and let's see how things stand.

5. There are plenty of pols who claim to be "liberals" or "progressives" I disagree with. I think Pelosi and Clinton (actually both Clintons) are a waste of space.

Let me ask YOU a few questions, CrusaderFrank:

1. Why is change so scary you try and prevent it every single time?

2. Why do you cling to Palin as if she were a viable adult?

3. Why do you resist the need to transition from fossil fuels to alternative energy?

4. Are you ever going to address the abomination of Corporate Welfare?

5. Are you ever going to divorce yourself from the lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers that prevent the voices of fiscal conservatism from sounding balanced or wise or appealing to mainstream America?

1. Change is scary? What? I reject the Progressive notion that change is a remedy to something fundamentally flawed with the status quo. The status quo has made us the most prosperous and powerful nation on the planet in a relative blink of an eye. Many civilizations are millennium older, many have far more natural resources but were surpassed them all so we're doing something right!

"Reform" and "change" are lies told by Progressive to pass their pernicious agenda.

2. Palin is this generation Ronald Reagan, a clean and articulate, unabashed Conservative. I wish her well.

3. Resists the transition to alternative? LOL! When I was a proto-Liberal, I wrote a college paper (no, I didn't write it by candlelight) on the necessity of solar power because when the Sun ran out it would no longer matter where we got our power. The very notion of "Fossil fuel" is a lie that the space program has driven many nails into its coffin, Earth based hydrocarbons are abiotic just like on every other planet and Moon where they're found in this solar system. We're not running out anytime soon, we're not warming the planet and I support finding alternatives but as adjuncts. not as replacements and certainly not anytime soon.

4. Corporate welfare. I support repeal of the 16th Amendment, abolition of the IRS and the Federal Reserve and implementation of a VAT to totally replace the Income Tax.

5. Some of my best friends are "lunatics, religious maniacs, xenophobes, and other fringers" I'm a Gnostic Christian and a huge Frank Zappa fan so you don't any fringier than that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Republicans deregulated Wall Street.

This allowed the mortgage market to move from Freddie/Fannie to Wall Street where they literally GAVE mortgages away, bundled them together, insured them as "securities", sold the securities overseas to unsuspecting investors and then collected the insurance when the securities tanked.

This resulted in a world wide economic meltdown.

If we kept following the Republican policies that started this disaster, we would be in a Great Depression rather than slowly coming out of a Great Recession.

Obama's only mistake was trying to reach across the isle and work with people who have publicly announced they want him to fail.

The Republican Party has become so dirty. Lying to the American People. The White Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabags.

Go see a vet about getting a rabies shot

When a Confederate Republican can't disagree, they call names. Every time. Oh so predictable.

No, you froth at the mouth when you mention "republicans" and that's not a real attractive look in an adult.

Also, in an age where the federal government dictates how much water your toilet can hold and what type of light bulbs you can have in your house, I laugh at the mention of "deregulation"

Oh, now that the GSE control 100% of the housing market, how are we doing?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

3. If mankind is warming the planet with CO2 how come you can't replicate the results in even a single laboratory experiment?

You mean an experiment showing CO2 causes a greenhouse effect? We've known that for a while. It's why Venus is hotter than Mercury despite being further from the sun.

I'm not sure just what you're asking for.

I'll say it one more time because it went over your head the last 600 times I asked.

Your theory supposed that deminimus (that means tiny) increases in CO2 causes measurable change. We're not talking about moving CO2 up to 980,000 PPM, we're talking about going to 500PPM. See the difference?

That's what the AGW Theory supposes and I wonder why in an age where we can replicate conditions a resembling the Big Bang, why is it so hard to throw 1/4 spoon of dry ice into a fish tank to see if it causes the temperature to rise?

 

[The T]

Republicans deregulated Wall Street.

This allowed the mortgage market to move from Freddie/Fannie to Wall Street where they literally GAVE mortgages away, bundled them together, insured them as "securities", sold the securities overseas to unsuspecting investors and then collected the insurance when the securities tanked.

This resulted in a world wide economic meltdown.

If we kept following the Republican policies that started this disaster, we would be in a Great Depression rather than slowly coming out of a Great Recession.

Obama's only mistake was trying to reach across the isle and work with people who have publicly announced they want him to fail.

The Republican Party has become so dirty. Lying to the American People. The White Wing Conservative Confederate Republican Party of Teabags.

Go see a vet about getting a rabies shot

When a Confederate Republican can't disagree, they call names. Every time. Oh so predictable.

Nice little 'Civil War' Rascist ephitet thrown out there by the prominent Rascist on these boards...*Yes You Deanie*...Are we Rebels?

*YOU BET*. Try the Constitution for once in your stinkin' miserable life. It is more than an old moldy document...it has alot of meaning...something the likes of you fail to grasp to foward your Socialist/Progressive agenda on the rest of us that revere the Document and it's meaning.

The Constitution: It's More than a document...It's the basis of LAW that has been ignored for far too long. *WE call your likes on it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

As I surmised...

the chart on page 24 will show you where all the belief systems stand in relation to each other

http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf

Actually, I can endorse almost all of the Individualism model. BUT, where you and I probably part company is not in ideology but awareness. Pay particular attention to the last sentences in 'Means of production' and 'Economic model'...'no advantage for political influence' and 'minimal state interference'

Then seek out knowledge and understanding of regulatory capture, corporate welfare, corporate socialism, corporate cost externalization and the vast political influence OF corporations.

In a TRUE free market, you can't get rich by making other people poor, or use political influence to burdening everyone else with YOUR costs.

You should try getting out of your Mom's basement and out into the "real world" It's not scary and it really is safe.

 

[nraforlife]

Why is yer boy BHO continuing and expanding the Bush Wars?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Why is yer boy BHO continuing and expanding the Bush Wars?

Gitmo still open and where's bin Laden?

In Oct 2012, is it beyond Obama to pretend he got bin Laden as an October surprise?

 

[The T]

Why is yer boy BHO continuing and expanding the Bush Wars?

Gitmo still open and where's bin Laden?

In Oct 2012, is it beyond Obama to pretend he got bin Laden as an October surprise?

LOL! Didn't the Statist Progressives promise that when they were elected they would GRAB bin-Laden? [Because BUSH couldn't nab him...and they KNEW where he was]? LOL!

Seems Obama and his pals have had to TOW Bushs' Line albiet against their will?

 

[Bfgrn]

Go see a vet about getting a rabies shot

When a Confederate Republican can't disagree, they call names. Every time. Oh so predictable.

Nice little 'Civil War' Rascist ephitet thrown out there by the prominent Rascist on these boards...*Yes You Deanie*...Are we Rebels?

*YOU BET*. Try the Constitution for once in your stinkin' miserable life. It is more than an old moldy document...it has alot of meaning...something the likes of you fail to grasp to foward your Socialist/Progressive agenda on the rest of us that revere the Document and it's meaning.

The Constitution: It's More than a document...It's the basis of LAW that has been ignored for far too long. *WE call your likes on it.

Bring me the part in the Constitution where our founding fathers mention corporations and that they supported affording corporations and special interest the ability to buy legislation that benefits them at the expense of We, the People?

 

[The T]

When a Confederate Republican can't disagree, they call names. Every time. Oh so predictable.

Nice little 'Civil War' Rascist ephitet thrown out there by the prominent Rascist on these boards...*Yes You Deanie*...Are we Rebels?

*YOU BET*. Try the Constitution for once in your stinkin' miserable life. It is more than an old moldy document...it has alot of meaning...something the likes of you fail to grasp to foward your Socialist/Progressive agenda on the rest of us that revere the Document and it's meaning.

The Constitution: It's More than a document...It's the basis of LAW that has been ignored for far too long. *WE call your likes on it.

Bring me the part in the Constitution where our founding fathers mention corporations and that they supported affording corporations and special interest the ability to buy legislation that benefits them at the expense of We, the People?

Commerce. Remember that word. The present crop are destroying it...with the Economy in tow.

 

[maineman]

Why is yer boy BHO continuing and expanding the Bush Wars?

Gitmo still open and where's bin Laden?

In Oct 2012, is it beyond Obama to pretend he got bin Laden as an October surprise?

If I were Obama and I HAD already captured OBL, I would most definitely hold him in secrecy until October 2012 for precisely that reason!