article 1 section 8

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    This is a question for the strict constitutionalists who believe we take the constitution literally, exactly as written.

    Section 8 of Article 1 in known as the "enumerated powers" section. Here is where the various powers granted the congress are spelled out. The first article in that section is quoted, verbatim, below.

    Section 8

    1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    Taking that literally, strictly as written, how does that limit the power of congress to legislate on any social program it chooses so long as it provides for the "general welfare"?

    It is quite simple. The founders were educated and very literate. How can you interpret that any other way? Remember though, you are not supposed to interpret, you are to take it literally.
     
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    The current day definition of "welfare" was not in use when the founding fathers wrote our constitution.

    It is that simple.
     
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    The general welfare OF THE UNITED STATES.. as in the union.. not each and every individual and their personal needs...

    Taking the statement completely, it is easy to understand
     
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    without interpeting, i think the entire phrase has to be taken in whole, not picking two words. With no interpetation, it appears the document intended that the general welfare of the entire nation is the meaning, not of individual citizens.
     
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    That's the power to tax, and not a declaration that it's the government's responsibility to make sure nobody hurts themselves.
     
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    If you were learned and educated, you would know the historical reference to 'general welfare' did not mean handouts to welfare moms to spit out more bastard children.
     
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    OP is getting his ignit ass handed to him on this one.

    LOL
     
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    this (below) is what passes for intelligent discussion around here...

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    It means the same thing now as it did then. The general welfare clause means that congress can pass laws for what it determines to be the pubic good.

    Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufactures

     
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    Have to agree with Dave on this one. Strictly speaking, I've always thought it was meant to be the welfare of the country, and not the welfare of the citizenry. Same with defense, of the country, but it's not the Government's job to defend me at all times from all threats.
     
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