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Nonsense. It's not the little stuff that's driving healthcare cost up. 75% of our healthcare dollars go to treating cancers, diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, stroke, mental disorders, and pulmonary conditions. Birth control pills, are only .2% of our healthcare cost.contraception included in an insurance plan is not "free." it is simply paid for when you pay your premium. you people on the right need to understand this simple premise.Uh...no? How is not providing contraception FREE to women, and eliminating contraception, the same thing?
Women are still able to access contraception (including no cost and low cost) already. So how is it being done away with? Did someone propose we shut down pill factories? Close the clinics?
Nope.
that like saying the extended maintenance plan that was included in the price of your new care was actually free, when in truth it was actually just added to the cost of the car.
Yet those of you on the left using the 'constant rise to the cost of health insurance' and using that as a mandate for government takeover seem to be clueless that it's coverage of these types of small things that cause that rise in cost to begin with.
80% of women in this country are using or have used oral contraceptives. 55% of Catholic women believe employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception and birth control. Stupid bills such as this will only help Democrats in the fall.Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
for crying out loud...there are a lot of stupid bills out there brought BY BOTH parties..doesn't mean they will see the light of day..
dear gawd you people just really have nothing else...
9%unemployment
economy in the shitter
FOOD prices out the ass
GAS..heading to 5.00 dollars a gallon.
the majority of the women in this country is worried about those thing and not your alls phony baloney "war on women" bullshit
80% of women in this country are using or have used oral contraceptives. 55% of Catholic women believe employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception and birth control. Stupid bills such as this will only help Democrats in the fall.Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
for crying out loud...there are a lot of stupid bills out there brought BY BOTH parties..doesn't mean they will see the light of day..
dear gawd you people just really have nothing else...
9%unemployment
economy in the shitter
FOOD prices out the ass
GAS..heading to 5.00 dollars a gallon.
the majority of the women in this country is worried about those thing and not your alls phony baloney "war on women" bullshit
BTW The current unemployment rate is 8.3% not 9%.
New polls: Catholics favor birth control in health care coverage « The Deacon's Bench
you realize the thread title and premise of your thread have been proven wrong multiple times in this and the other thread... right?80% of women in this country are using or have used oral contraceptives. 55% of Catholic women believe employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception and birth control. Stupid bills such as this will only help Democrats in the fall.Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
for crying out loud...there are a lot of stupid bills out there brought BY BOTH parties..doesn't mean they will see the light of day..
dear gawd you people just really have nothing else...
9%unemployment
economy in the shitter
FOOD prices out the ass
GAS..heading to 5.00 dollars a gallon.
the majority of the women in this country is worried about those thing and not your alls phony baloney "war on women" bullshit
BTW The current unemployment rate is 8.3% not 9%.
New polls: Catholics favor birth control in health care coverage « The Deacon's Bench
Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
And not unreasonable...WHY do Insurance companies HAVE TO cover such things, and WHY is the Government trying to force the issue?Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
The problem is individual plans are much more expensive than group plans because the risks can't be spread out over a number subscribers. Also group plans are much cheaper to market and administer. The insurer only needs to bill the employer not thousands of subscribers. Most employers try to hire healthy people which is another plus for the insurance company.yeah.... like a Public, or Non-profit option would be great.
No. Private. Just like your auto, home, and life insurance.
I agree with G5000, I think a lot of our problems are employement and group policies being tied together.
OK, here is my compromise...
The biggest problem with the current health care insurance system is that plans are tied to employment (for the vast majority of people) and the entanglements that causes because if they loose their jobs they loose their coverage (and no most people that loose their jobs can't afford COBRA because they have to pay the full premiums) and it changes the market dynamic because its not the individual consumer that is doing the shopping.
Maybe the employer provides (if they choose) a "health care stipend", from a business perspective they get the deduction as a business expense. The individual takes the stipend and then uses it (along with some of their own money) to purchase an individual plan or other independent group plan (I'm think through a religious organization, civil organization, professional organization, union, credit union, etc...). The employers W-2 indicates the amount of the stipend. The insurance company issues a statement like mortgage companies with what your insurance premiums were. Both amounts go on the tax forms and any stipend received which is not spent on insurance is charged as income.
This puts the power of choosing a plan the meets the individuals need back where it belongs and makes it the individuals responsibility.
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The problem is individual plans are much more expensive than group plans because the risks can't be spread out over a number subscribers. Also group plans are much cheaper to market and administer. The insurer only needs to bill the employer not thousands of subscribers. Most employers try to hire healthy people which is another plus for the insurance company.No. Private. Just like your auto, home, and life insurance.
I agree with G5000, I think a lot of our problems are employement and group policies being tied together.
OK, here is my compromise...
The biggest problem with the current health care insurance system is that plans are tied to employment (for the vast majority of people) and the entanglements that causes because if they loose their jobs they loose their coverage (and no most people that loose their jobs can't afford COBRA because they have to pay the full premiums) and it changes the market dynamic because its not the individual consumer that is doing the shopping.
Maybe the employer provides (if they choose) a "health care stipend", from a business perspective they get the deduction as a business expense. The individual takes the stipend and then uses it (along with some of their own money) to purchase an individual plan or other independent group plan (I'm think through a religious organization, civil organization, professional organization, union, credit union, etc...). The employers W-2 indicates the amount of the stipend. The insurance company issues a statement like mortgage companies with what your insurance premiums were. Both amounts go on the tax forms and any stipend received which is not spent on insurance is charged as income.
This puts the power of choosing a plan the meets the individuals need back where it belongs and makes it the individuals responsibility.
>>>>
The individual plan has the advantage that it's portable and it can be selected to meet the individual's need, but for the same coverage you usually pay a lot more.
The problem is individual plans are much more expensive than group plans because the risks can't be spread out over a number subscribers. Also group plans are much cheaper to market and administer. The insurer only needs to bill the employer not thousands of subscribers. Most employers try to hire healthy people which is another plus for the insurance company.No. Private. Just like your auto, home, and life insurance.
I agree with G5000, I think a lot of our problems are employement and group policies being tied together.
OK, here is my compromise...
The biggest problem with the current health care insurance system is that plans are tied to employment (for the vast majority of people) and the entanglements that causes because if they loose their jobs they loose their coverage (and no most people that loose their jobs can't afford COBRA because they have to pay the full premiums) and it changes the market dynamic because its not the individual consumer that is doing the shopping.
Maybe the employer provides (if they choose) a "health care stipend", from a business perspective they get the deduction as a business expense. The individual takes the stipend and then uses it (along with some of their own money) to purchase an individual plan or other independent group plan (I'm think through a religious organization, civil organization, professional organization, union, credit union, etc...). The employers W-2 indicates the amount of the stipend. The insurance company issues a statement like mortgage companies with what your insurance premiums were. Both amounts go on the tax forms and any stipend received which is not spent on insurance is charged as income.
This puts the power of choosing a plan the meets the individuals need back where it belongs and makes it the individuals responsibility.
>>>>
The individual plan has the advantage that it's portable and it can be selected to meet the individual's need, but for the same coverage you usually pay a lot more.
To limit population growth. The one thing this country doesn't need is more large families to support.And not unreasonable...WHY do Insurance companies HAVE TO cover such things, and WHY is the Government trying to force the issue?Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
So YOU subscribe to the leftist mantra of Cass Sunstien...and population control?To limit population growth. The one thing this country doesn't need is more large families to support.And not unreasonable...WHY do Insurance companies HAVE TO cover such things, and WHY is the Government trying to force the issue?Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
I don't get all this huff over insurance paying for birth control. I don't get how some folks claim that it's an argument about them having to pay for someone elses birth control. It's a risk pool. It covers all sorts of stuff. It covers stuff I can't even pronounce. Heck, I don't want to pay for other people's car accidents either if they're just out joy riding. If they'd just stay home and not drive, we wouldn't have that problem and my insurance would be a lot cheaper! How about no more insurance for anything but driving to work. Pass a bill that says you have to prove that you are on your way to work or the hospital to drive... in any case, you have to prove you're not joy riding. No more paying high insurance premiums for those nasty joy riders!
To limit population growth. The one thing this country doesn't need is more large families to support.And not unreasonable...WHY do Insurance companies HAVE TO cover such things, and WHY is the Government trying to force the issue?Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
I don't get all this huff over insurance paying for birth control. I don't get how some folks claim that it's an argument about them having to pay for someone elses birth control. It's a risk pool. It covers all sorts of stuff. It covers stuff I can't even pronounce. Heck, I don't want to pay for other people's car accidents either if they're just out joy riding. If they'd just stay home and not drive, we wouldn't have that problem and my insurance would be a lot cheaper! How about no more insurance for anything but driving to work. Pass a bill that says you have to prove that you are on your way to work or the hospital to drive... in any case, you have to prove you're not joy riding. No more paying high insurance premiums for those nasty joy riders!
Then YOU don't understand personal RESPONSIBILITY.
Arizona legislators have advanced an unprecedented bill that would require women who wish to have their contraception covered by their health insurance plans to prove to their employers that they are taking it to treat medical conditions. The bill now moves to the state Senate for a full vote.
Apparently, the conservative agenda to take away a women's right choice now includes birth control.
Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons
