Arguing with libs, Uuuggggggg!

[PatekPhilippe]

How appropriate of you to take the time to respond.

considering i'm a moderator, yes, it is. we've got these things called *rules*

questions?

No wonder why this place is full of shit with moderators like del that all he does is go around criticizing everybody, rarely ever contributing

At least he's consistent...unlike you who can't even correctly format a simple sentence with your liberal college education in nuclear physics or whatever it is this week.

 

[CurveLight]

Arguing with liberals is a really tough proposition. I’ve engaged in many a debate with a large cross section of mainstream liberals. They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me. None of them want to even hear a conservative viewpoint, nor do they really want to debate or learn anything different from their own viewpoint.

gotta link, lance.

Asshole Files

Holy fuk. How reetawrded do you have to be to plagiarize a stoopid rant?

 

[Samson]

Arguing with liberals is a really tough proposition. I’ve engaged in many a debate with a large cross section of mainstream liberals. They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me. None of them want to even hear a conservative viewpoint, nor do they really want to debate or learn anything different from their own viewpoint.

gotta link, lance.

Asshole Files

Holy fuk. How reetawrded do you have to be to plagiarize a stoopid rant?

****waits for Truthmatters' to answer****

 

[logical4u]

They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me

As opposed to socialist, leftist, deadbeat, whiner, un-american or whatever label the right wants to throw around

Would you list the values a 'liberal' considers important enough for 'liberal' politicians to reflect? Do you hold your representatives to those 'high' standards?

 

[logical4u]

Liberals typically find free speech frightening.

Yet it is the CON$ who suppress free speech!

can you list some examples?

 

[Diuretic]

Arguing with liberals is a really tough proposition. I’ve engaged in many a debate with a large cross section of mainstream liberals. They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me. None of them want to even hear a conservative viewpoint, nor do they really want to debate or learn anything different from their own viewpoint.

gotta link, lance.

Asshole Files

Yeah, cause liberals tend to you facts, conservatives think facts are up for opinion, and talking points fed to them by others are facts. then they get shown to look like complete idiots, so they get really mad at this.

why else are universities, and areas of higher education more liberal.

Are you intoxicated?

I wish I was, I made the bad mistake of reading the first post.

 

[Truthmatters]

Liberals typically find free speech frightening.

Yet it is the CON$ who suppress free speech!

can you list some examples?

Town hall meetings for healthcare

 

[Diuretic]

I must say I find it amusing that someone opens up a thread to make claims about themselves. Easy meat I would have thought.

Anyway, conservatives and progressives. Who is "right" or "wrong"? Frankly I think it's a stupid question. If you believe that history is about progression, in the old model of thesis/antithesis/synthesis, where synthesis becomes thesis and the cycle continues, then it's patently obvious that no-one can be "right" or "wrong", they just have a tendency.

In simplistic terms conservatives resist change. But since change is irresistible they are perennial losers in their struggle against change. But paradoxically they can be winners because the new position becomes the status quo and thus they rally to preserve it. On the other hand progressives are like Sisyphus, they struggle for progress and then find that the progress becomes the status quo so they struggle for more progress. Okay it might sound a bit pointless but think about it for a moment. If we were all conservatives we'd still be living in caves. So, on balance, progressives are best for a society.

 

[Dr Gregg]

considering i'm a moderator, yes, it is. we've got these things called *rules*

questions?

No wonder why this place is full of shit with moderators like del that all he does is go around criticizing everybody, rarely ever contributing

At least he's consistent...unlike you who can't even correctly format a simple sentence with your liberal college education in nuclear physics or whatever it is this week.

Unlike you I don't make shit up

 

[Samson]

Yet it is the CON$ who suppress free speech!

can you list some examples?

Town hall meetings for healthcare

Did they cancel the meeting?

No.

Idiot.

 

[logical4u]

Arguing with liberals is a really tough proposition. I’ve engaged in many a debate with a large cross section of mainstream liberals. They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me. None of them want to even hear a conservative viewpoint, nor do they really want to debate or learn anything different from their own viewpoint.

gotta link, lance.

Asshole Files

Liberals are always right, and conservatives know it. They just want to continue doing wrong.

Think about every situation.

Slavery. Liberals said it was wrong, conservatives wanted to keep their slaves because they were valuable.

I understand the conservatives position, but that doesn't mean they aren't wrong. But I guess it all depends on who you ask. Generally in a democracy where the government is supposed to protect the masses, conservatives are "wrong" if you ask the masses.

But if you ask the rich men who own the oil companies, gas should be $4 a gallon. And conservatives won't even admit the oil companies gouged us. Hell, some of them even defend the oil companies right to charge whatever they want to charge. They say that's capitalism.

Conservatives didn't want companies to pay health insurance or give workers rights to unionize. If conservatives got their way, America would have never had a strong middle class. That was FDR and the Unions.

But that wouldn't have been bad for "conservatives", because they are the ones who own everything.

And that brings me to middle class conservatives. They are just fools voting outside their own pay grades.

Where did a majority of liberals stop slavery? Do you REALLY think the union army was made up of...liberals????

This country was considered 'a new experiment'. It protected the individual, not the 'masses'. If you read the Bill of Rights, there is nothing there about the 'masses'; it is about the individual. The other countries used the excuse of protecting the masses to enslave their populations (kind of like the dems are doing with health care).

Conservatives believe in COMPETITION, if there are a lot of sellers and a lot of buyers, the market will establish a fair price for a product/service. If the companies buy gov representatives to give them a monopoly, that is not competition (that would be the liberal way to choose who wins and loses).

Conservatives want an employer to use their resources as efficiently as possible. It is their money. If they want the best employees, they will pay for them. If they need someone that can come to work brain dead and stay in one place listening and watching for obvious changes, they should not have to pay them like they were a specialized skill. Unions had their place when they started, but have become corrupt, with little benefit to offer the employer; now they are mostly bullies. I believe Ford (motor company) was the most famous person to support 'a middle class'. He wanted his employees to be able to buy the cars they built. Other industrialists followed his lead (that would be BEFORE FDR).

I believe there are more wealthy dems than conservatives. Why don't the 'libs' ever protest the wealthy on 'their side'?

Call me a fool. I vote for freedom from oppression (that would be against the dems). I vote for smaller gov and lower taxes; I believe the gov knows way more about me than I would give voluntarily. I vote to protect this country, its borders, and its citizens; without those we would be a third world nation. I vote for laws applied equally.

If you want to live in a really, really nice place, you can join a community and pay taxes to improve your community. Please don't ask me to support the lifestyle to which you would like to become accustomed.

 

[CMike]

So what? Even you have benefitted from liberal policies and programs. Us liberals hate people like you. But we don't deny you the benefit of sharing the progress we make for you despite you not understanding that its in your best interests.

Actually, you benefit from government waste. You are government waste.

Liberals hate everyone who thinks differently than they do.
And they especially despise those they claim to want to "help".

Your supporters spit on our representatives, call them n*#I&$rs and fags and you say we hate anyone?

We disagree, you hate.

PS. You sound as stupid as Lindsay Graham when he said, ""Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God"

He said it to rally the ignorant assholes in the audience. Clearly you were in the audience that day.

Yaaa your supporters just call them *****, chop fingers off, and shoot up representatives' offices.

Not even to mention that your supporters with nothing but utter vile attack candidate's minor children.

A good chunk on your side are just plain evil.

 

[logical4u]

Conservatives want to continue polluting too. They know it is wrong, but doing right would cost them more money, and they don't want that.

Conservatives refuse to fix healthcare or NAFTA, even though both are flawed. Because they benefit from the flaws!!! Or their constituents/lobbysists/campaign donors/financers/supporters benefit from it.

This is why Liberals can't argue with conservatives. Half the conservatives are idiots and the other half are the "plantation owners" who will never see the workers side of things.

They are the have's and we are the have nots. The good news is there are more of us than there are of them, and that bodes well for us in a democracy.

But conservatives are smart to steal stupid middle class voters with wedge issues. God, gays and guns.

So....libs don't pollute????? Do you ride a bike everywhere or walk? If you don't, you are polluting? Do you grow your own food, slaughter your own animals, because if you don't you support those evil polluters. Do you use climate control (HVAC)? If you do, you pollute. Please lib, demonstrate how to live without polluting. Show us how much extra you will pay to live without polluting. Show us how to grow our own food, and raise our own animals for food, while earning a living to pay for the taxes the gov levies on the land required to live 'pollution free'.

You want the conservatives to fix everything? Do you really think they are your slaves where you say 'I want" and the conservatives say yesss master? Where are your investments in 'green' and energy saving devices? You imply that it is easy, why don't you lead instead of whining like a bitch that is afraid to move for leaving a good spot?

You want conservatives to come up with all the answers, while you stand over our shoulders and lecture us on how we should do it better. What is wrong with your abilities?

Waiting to see and hear your improvements to the world.

 

[CMike]

The term liberal and conservative has changed dramatically during the years.

Basically today's liberal is for centralized government control, weak national security, etc.

A conservative is for loose centralized control and strong on national security.

Also liberals seem to hate America and support America's enemies.

Conservatives love America and what it means, and support America's allies.

Such insulting bullshit. After the attacks of 911 and Bush's popularity skyrocketed into the 90 percentile, do you honestly believe a 45% increase from where he was before the attacks was attributable to just Republicans? Try avoiding such moronic statements, and your credibility would go much further.

Have you forgotten who Barak Hussein's mentor is?

This is the mentor of your head democrat marxist dictator

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk]YouTube - Best of Jeremiah Wright's Sermons Pt. 1[/ame]

 

[Gunny]

Arguing with liberals is a really tough proposition. I’ve engaged in many a debate with a large cross section of mainstream liberals. They'll quickly run out of facts and precedent, and it almost always ends with them calling me cruel, heartless, racist, fascist, or whatever other label they want to slap on me. None of them want to even hear a conservative viewpoint, nor do they really want to debate or learn anything different from their own viewpoint.

gotta link, lance.

Asshole Files

Holy fuk. How reetawrded do you have to be to plagiarize a stoopid rant?

I'd say a few notches above your stoopid ass, stupid.

 

[Gunny]

Yet it is the CON$ who suppress free speech!

can you list some examples?

Town hall meetings for healthcare

Hide.

 

[Gunny]

No wonder why this place is full of shit with moderators like del that all he does is go around criticizing everybody, rarely ever contributing

At least he's consistent...unlike you who can't even correctly format a simple sentence with your liberal college education in nuclear physics or whatever it is this week.

Unlike you I don't make shit up

You're kidding, right? You're a retarded if not more than ButtFuckGRN.

I'll tell you this ONCE. You don't question my moderators in public, nor voice your opinion of them as moderators. They are members of this board every bit as much as you think your royal eminence is.

Do it again, you're gone. Period.

 

[CMike]

stop projecting honey...

it's the hate filled right that has the problem.

get a grip.

You're right Jillian.

Libby/ progressives don't hate people.

Rather they are so sure that they know the one and only best way that everyone should live that one could say they have nothing but contempt for people because they are so smug in their self acclaimed superiority.

Just look at the way Obama derides and ridicules those who disagree with him as if there is something wrong with them.

After all, how dare those uneducated rabble disagree with the benevolent all loving government?

I'd like you to find just one quote by Obama where he does any such thing. We also despise liars.

You are joking.

His Excellency tried to ban a Fox News reporter from a press conference in his effort to try and control the media and punish those that don't report the news as he wanted it reported.

 

[logical4u]

So your general theme is that us liberals aren't really liberals?

My point is that many people call themselves liberals whore are not liberals. Oftentimes, they do it out of ignorance of terms.

Not if you're a liberal, you don't. Liberalism opposes minimum wages, arguing that fair wages will be achieved because noone will work if there's not fair pay involved and that competition for jobs acts to push wages down and competition for employees pushes them up, eventually leading to a balance. They hold that the same forced guide the cost of goods and also that of labour.

History proves the liberal assertions false, which is why many who sit to the liberals' left, including many socialist systems (social democracy and democratic socialism, for instance, have advocated minimum wages. A similar battle has been fought over workplace safety laws (OSHA, housings for formerly covered gears, etc). Recall that modern Leftist thought emerged out of the exploitation of the proletariat made possible by the Industrial Revolution and justified using Liberal ideology (note that he advocates of Bourgeois Liberalism were the Bourgeoisie and landed gentry who emerged as the new ruling class following the end of the Monarchies and Aristocracies in Europe and the liberation of America from the Crown.
Which side, exactly, do you think I am on?
Clarify. Do I want people around the world to have access to the means to improve their condition? Yes. Do I support sweat shops as a means of avoiding compliance with laws designed to protect the worker? No. What, exactly, do you intend to ask?
It seems you weren't paying attention.
They're not the only ones, but they do tend to be hypocrites. What's your point?

You call yourselves christians but don't do what Jesus said for them.

Actually, I'm an atheist. What ever made you think I was a xtian?

Well as a Liberal I can tell you that you are wrong about us and what we have accomplished. And what we stand for.

It would be like if I asked an American what communism was like, they would have a much different answer than a Russian who actually lived thru it. You would find that many of the Americans beliefs and facts to be wrong.

I don't know what you are. I just know I don't agree.

Please list what 'libs' 'stand for'.

 

[Dr Gregg]

At least he's consistent...unlike you who can't even correctly format a simple sentence with your liberal college education in nuclear physics or whatever it is this week.

Unlike you I don't make shit up

You're kidding, right? You're a retarded if not more than ButtFuckGRN.

I'll tell you this ONCE. You don't question my moderators in public, nor voice your opinion of them as moderators. They are members of this board every bit as much as you think your royal eminence is.

Do it again, you're gone. Period.

oooo big tough guy. wow, you are the god here, no wonder why its full of trolls. YOu'd probably do me a favor. I guess this place doesn't like intelligent discussions. He can call everybody an asshole, but I can't respond to that?

HOly shit, no wonder why this place is fucked if you are in charge