Lonestar_logic
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Sure, right in this thread Obama was already blasted for "apology tour," while simultaneously ignoring how he unequivocally, on the same tour in the same speeches, went on about how great America is. If you don't find that to be unfair/disengenuous/whatever, hey, that's you.
Also, how the Imam is somehow horrible for implying that in the broader context of factors, for terrorist attacks, our presence in the middle east is ONE of the many factors. And, he never said we're WRONG for our presence, either, just that it's a factor in the entire picture.......................and then emotionalists take that and run with the sound bite and say he hates America and whatever and hold having a rational discussion against him as a person. It's disturbing.
What you're (not you personally) doing by doing these things is supressing different points of view by labelling them "whining," or "hating America," etc., when they are indeed simple factors inside of said discussions. It's wrong to do, and I'd hope as a man's man you'd say so.
Yes he was blasted for his "apology tour" and rightly so, America shouldn't have to apologize for anything and he should tout how great our country is. His job is protect this country and promote our values, not apolgize for doing so.
How is having a difference of opinion with the Imam hypocritical? He may not hate America but he damn sure don't like us very much. He said we killed half a million babies in Iraq, that's a lie. He justifies terrorism and uses "truther" propoganda to do so.
And disagreeing with this idiot is not supressing his POV, he's entitled to his opinion and I'm entitled to question it and even argue against it if I believe his opinion to be wrong.
It's not his lie, it's the UN's. He also didn't justify terrorism and it takes understanding sentences like "Yes, it is true that it does not justify the acts of bombing innocent civilians." - mixed with some even-handed honesty, to "Get that," I guess.
See what I mean, he wants to tackle a disturbing subject and you have people saying that he said things that he DIDN'T, LIKE YOU JUST DID, YOU SAID HE'S "JUSTIFYING IT<" when he clearly pointed out he's NOT, and just that it's HARD to tell the Terrorists, who have lost children, that their acts are WRONG, which he is clearly advocating that they ARE wrong.
Howe can people discuss these things when you have people perverting the discussion like this? It's pretty fuckin shameful, if you ask me.
Rauf stated and I quote, "We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaida has on its hands of innocent non Muslims. You may remember that the US-led sanctions against Iraq led to the death of over half a million Iraqi children. This has been documented by the United Nations. And when Madeleine Albright, who has become a friend of mine over the last couple of years, when she was Secretary of State and was asked whether this was worth it, said it was worth it."
That is not the UN speaking!
Fact check: A report by the British government said at most only 50,000 deaths could be attributed to the sanctions, which were brought on by the actions by former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.
I trust the British in this regard more than I would the UN.
Asked why Muslims commit suicide bombings, Rauf belittled the fanatical religious motivation of such attacks and said: "But what makes people, in my opinion, commit suicide for political reasons have their origins in politics and political objectives and worldly objectives rather than other worldly objectives. But the psychology of human beings and the brittleness of the human condition and how many of us have thought about taking our own lives, we may be jilted, had a bad relationship, you know, didn't get tenure at the university, failed an important course, there's a host of reason why people feel so depressed with themselves that they are willing to contemplate ending their own lives. And if you can access those individuals and deploy them for your own worldly objectives, this is exactly what has happened in much of the Muslim world. "
Fact check: Here Rauf tries to negate that suicide bombings are driven by Islamic religious beliefs and trying to equate terrorist activity to someone who doesn't get tenure.)
The United States has supported authoritarian regimes, Rauf said, and it's understandable that people in those nations would take action into their own hands. "Collateral damage is a nice thing to put on a paper but when the collateral damage is your own uncle or cousin, what passions do these arouse? How do you negotiate? How do you tell people whose homes have been destroyed, whose lives have been destroyed, that this does not justify your actions of terrorism. It's hard. Yes, it is true that it does not justify the acts of bombing innocent civilians, that does not solve the problem, but after 50 years of, in many cases, oppression, of US support of authoritarian regimes that have violated human rights in the most heinous of ways, how else do people get attention?"
Fact check: This is justifying acts of terrorism by blaming the United States for the oppression of Islamic regimes of their own citizens. This also ignores U.S. aid of Muslim citizens in nations such as Kosovo and Kuwait.
Read more at: Rauf Lecture Reveals Radicalism :: The Investigative Project on Terrorism
These are HIS words, now let's see you spin it.