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saying that you understand how one can come to their mistakes, is not justifying their mistakes. He's not justifying terrorism, he's saying he can understand how they mistakingly came to their conclusion.Go hear his entire conversation instead of the one that is out of context, he's talking about how US Foreign Policy can cause unintended consequences, not that America is to blame and he has a point;imho.
You too, Lonestar. All you're doing is taking, now, someone ELSE's spin of what he's saying and saying "let's see you spin this."
This sin't third grade. He very clearly stated that it's not justified.
Look if you choose to remain ignorant then that's fine. The fact is Rauf in one instance says it's not justified but in other instances he's implied that it was. Now I've read a lot of speeches by Rauf and he, like Obama, changes his postition depending on who he's addressing.
Oh please! Have you never read 1984 or ever heard of doublespeak?
He "clearly" states he's against terrorism, and in the next breathe GOES RIGHT ON JUSTIFYING TERRORISM.
It would be no different than me saying "What Tim McVeigh did was wrong, but I can understand his anger and the blood America has on it's hands, blah blah blah" thus JUSTIFYING McVeigh's actions.
It's typical CYA doublespeak and the only people it would fool are those who agree with terrorism anyway.
We tend to forget, in the West that the United States has more muslim blood on it's hands than Al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-muslims. You may remember that the US-led saction against Iraq led to the death of over half a million children Iraqi children. This has been documented by the United Nations.
How do you tell people whose homes have been destroyed, whose lives have been destroyed, that this does not justify your actions of terrorism? It's hard. Yes, it is true that it does not justify the acts of bombing innocent civilians. That does not solve the problem. But after 50 years of, in many cases, oppression, of U.S. support of authoritarian regimes that have violated human rights in the most heinous of ways how else do people get attention? So, I'm not - I'm just providing you with the arguments that are happening intra-Islamically by those who feel the emotion of pain.
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no, wrong. saying that you can understand someone's ill-founded perception is not the same as JUSTIFYING their perception. do you know how logic even works, or no?
Yeah, I understand double speak real well.
Yeah liberals do that all the time.
They don't "condone" the violence from the LA riots, but they "understand their rage."
They don't condone 9/11, but we should "try to understand their anger and why they hate us."
It all boils down to LIBERALS HATE AMERICA, and want all of us in the US to feel "guilty" whenever someone commits an act of violence against us, because it's really "our fault."
Oh I understand that BS completely.
It's still justifying the acts. You don't see us "understanding" the anger of Ted Bundy or other mass murderers. But, if that mass murderer has an axe to grind against the US, won't liberals go out of their way to try and wring sympathy for them.
DISGUSTING!
American foreign policy is a result of the policies of other nations as well as our own government. It's just that the terminally stupid are too hooked on blaming our own nation for the ills of the world. I'm sure Obama will apologize on our behalf.... oh, wait.... he already did.
Fuck off whining.
So when is it appropriate to hold our nation responsible, for ANYthing?
You do realize that you can't blame our President for his foreign policy ills but simultaneously never blame our "Nation" for any ills. It doesn't wash.
I hold lots of nations to blame. I'm not so obsessed with our own faults as a nation that I think we need to keep beating ourselves up over it. That is a leftie disease..... but, let's just blame the Republicans, right?
Moron.
Oh, and your fucking music all sounds the same.
saying that you understand how one can come to their mistakes, is not justifying their mistakes. He's not justifying terrorism, he's saying he can understand how they mistakingly came to their conclusion.You too, Lonestar. All you're doing is taking, now, someone ELSE's spin of what he's saying and saying "let's see you spin this."
This sin't third grade. He very clearly stated that it's not justified.
Look if you choose to remain ignorant then that's fine. The fact is Rauf in one instance says it's not justified but in other instances he's implied that it was. Now I've read a lot of speeches by Rauf and he, like Obama, changes his postition depending on who he's addressing.
It takes honesty, listening to the whole conversation, and integrity to "get it," I suppose, but he also said it EXPLICITLY in a sentence for you, in case you didn't get where it was implied.
I've heard way worse. 100% of artists have heard way worse. It's like shooting a low cal at teflon. It's not going to penetrate.So when is it appropriate to hold our nation responsible, for ANYthing?
You do realize that you can't blame our President for his foreign policy ills but simultaneously never blame our "Nation" for any ills. It doesn't wash.
I hold lots of nations to blame. I'm not so obsessed with our own faults as a nation that I think we need to keep beating ourselves up over it. That is a leftie disease..... but, let's just blame the Republicans, right?
Moron.
Oh, and your fucking music all sounds the same.
That's harsh!
no, wrong. saying that you can understand someone's ill-founded perception is not the same as JUSTIFYING their perception. do you know how logic even works, or no?
Yeah, I understand double speak real well.
Yeah liberals do that all the time.
They don't "condone" the violence from the LA riots, but they "understand their rage."
They don't condone 9/11, but we should "try to understand their anger and why they hate us."
It all boils down to LIBERALS HATE AMERICA, and want all of us in the US to feel "guilty" whenever someone commits an act of violence against us, because it's really "our fault."
Oh I understand that BS completely.
It's still justifying the acts. You don't see us "understanding" the anger of Ted Bundy or other mass murderers. But, if that mass murderer has an axe to grind against the US, won't liberals go out of their way to try and wring sympathy for them.
DISGUSTING!
Well, retard, if Ted Bundy say, grew up being chained to a chair in a basement and beaten and sexually abused, I'd say "I can understand where his Murderous sickness came from."
now, for the dumb-ass impaired, that same sentence does not also mean "he was justified in killing!! GRRR!!!"
No, that's you, using dishonesty and spin, to frame a debate to fit your world views. Sure, you dismiss logic. Sure, you're dishonest and immature. But you DAMN SURE feel good about sticking it to the left, YOU BETCHA!
saying that you understand how one can come to their mistakes, is not justifying their mistakes. He's not justifying terrorism, he's saying he can understand how they mistakingly came to their conclusion.Look if you choose to remain ignorant then that's fine. The fact is Rauf in one instance says it's not justified but in other instances he's implied that it was. Now I've read a lot of speeches by Rauf and he, like Obama, changes his postition depending on who he's addressing.
It takes honesty, listening to the whole conversation, and integrity to "get it," I suppose, but he also said it EXPLICITLY in a sentence for you, in case you didn't get where it was implied.
No you dumbass Rauf is saying he understands why idiot straps bombs to themselves and kills innocent people and he justifies that by saying that American foreign policy started it.
He said and I quote "The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians. But it was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."
So he's saying that those bombings were justified on the basis of Christian theology, therefore bombings by terrorists are justified on the basis of Islamic theology. He's wrong but that's exactly what he's saying.
We just see what he's saying differently, Lonestar. There's nothing more to be said.
God damn, I should have realized anyone who's Graduated past the level of G.E.D. would HAVE to be elitist to you. My bad. Hey, here, keep the stage, you're doing fucking *AWESOME*
God damn, I should have realized anyone who's Graduated past the level of G.E.D. would HAVE to be elitist to you. My bad. Hey, here, keep the stage, you're doing fucking *AWESOME*
Yeah, you lost!
Your laughable trial balloon has hit like a flaming Hindenberg.
You smear a President for how awful his foreign policy is.............
but then..............
If someone describes the ill effects of some American foreign policy, you declare them traitors?
Discuss!
wELL, OK, BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT i WAS ASKING.
over the same foreign policy....gotta love it.wELL, OK, BUT THAT WASN'T WHAT i WAS ASKING.
It's the Answer... The Left will Call the Right "Unpatriotic" now for Questioning Bammy's Foreign Policy, yet he is doing as and Expanding what (43) was doing... When THEY were the ones doing the Questioning and Attacking it WAS Patriotic...
Hypocrisy Defined.
peace...
