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Sounds pretty sane. Firing people for wearing a tiny US Flag on their lapels seems nuts to me.
Flag worship seems nuts to me.
If lefties don't like what they are doing, they must be doing something right.USMB RWers...how do you respond to such ludicrousness by your reps up in Congress?
The Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing? You might want to let the British know that.
In case you didn't notice, the British sent in the military to suppress what they deemed an illegal rebellion against the Crown. What has more legal standing is the treaty of Paris, in which England granted independence to the colonies.
By that time the founders were gone. Pretty impossible to base your claim on something that happened after they were all dead.
And what does that have to do with the founders? "Defense of Ft. Henry" was a poem written by a POW who witnessed a battle during the War of 1812. Key was not a founder. His poem, put to music, became a popular patriotic hymn in the general populace, much like the song "God bless the USA" is in modern times. The song was not given any kind of recognition by the government until over a half century later. The founders had nothing to do with any of it.
the Mayflower Compact:
"Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these present solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience."
Significance: The Mayflower Compact was the foundational document for the Plymouth Colony.
In 1780, the Massachusetts Provincial Congress adopted the following constitution and Declaration of Rights. The Declaration of Rights was largely the work of John Adams. It is highly possible, from the contents of clause II, that Adams was influenced by the Virginia Declaration.
A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE
COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS.
* * * *
Art. II. It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly and at stated seasons, to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator, and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace or obstruct others in their religious worship.
Art. III. As the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend upon piety, religion, and mortality; and as these cannot be generally diffused through a community but by the institution of the public worship of God and of public instructions in piety, religion, and morality
Religious Liberty Archive : Rothgerber Johnson & Lyons LLP, Colorado Springs, CO
"The general Principles, on which the Fathers Atchieved Independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their Address, or by me in my Answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all those Sects were united: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence."
Source: John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, June 28th, 1813, from Quincy. The Adams-Jefferson Letters
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I admit this thing by the GOP is rather frivolous, but since you opened the door...So how is the guy in charge doing with those jobs he says he created with this $800 billion in stimulus?I'm so glad that the GOP is focused like a laser on jobs and the economy. I wonder, how many jobs will this create?
You libs like to forget that it's Obama's watch.
You cons like to forget that you control one house of congress and therefore have an obligation to govern.
No he isn't. He has done more for me than I deserve. I think that motto should be on our flag.What do you trust God to do?
He seems to be letting you down at the moment.
Unfortunately they are not teaching the truth in our schools these days. The things they teach tear down our great country and its founders. But then that is what socialists do.The Declaration of Independence has no legal bearing? You might want to let the British know that.
In case you didn't notice, the British sent in the military to suppress what they deemed an illegal rebellion against the Crown. What has more legal standing is the treaty of Paris, in which England granted independence to the colonies.
WOW! The Declaration of Independence is not a document of any real significance? What are they teaching these days in school? Did you completely sleep through our nation's founding, what our founders believed in, and the sacrifices made through the Revolutionary War?
In 1780, the Massachusetts Provincial Congress adopted the following constitution and Declaration of Rights. The Declaration of Rights was largely the work of John Adams. It is highly possible, from the contents of clause II, that Adams was influenced by the Virginia Declaration.
A DECLARATION OF THE RIGHTS OF THE INHABITANTS OF THE
COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS.
* * * *
Art. II. It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly and at stated seasons, to worship the Supreme Being, the great Creator, and Preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping God in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace or obstruct others in their religious worship.
Art. III. As the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend upon piety, religion, and mortality; and as these cannot be generally diffused through a community but by the institution of the public worship of God and of public instructions in piety, religion, and morality
Religious Liberty Archive : Rothgerber Johnson & Lyons LLP, Colorado Springs, CO
"The general Principles, on which the Fathers Atchieved Independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their Address, or by me in my Answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all those Sects were united: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty, in which all those young Men United, and which had United all Parties in America, in Majorities sufficient to assert and maintain her Independence."
Source: John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, June 28th, 1813, from Quincy. The Adams-Jefferson Letters
adamsprinciples
I could include further historic documents which dates around the time of our Founders, should the need arise.
USMB RWers...how do you respond to such ludicrousness by your reps up in Congress?
What do you trust God to do?
He seems to be letting you down at the moment.
I'm so glad that the GOP is focused like a laser on jobs and the economy. I wonder, how many jobs will this create?
Obama: God wants us to put people back to work
Why don't you ask Reid and Obama why those 20 job creating bills are sitting on Reid desk, gathering dust?"That's not putting people back to work," Obama said during a jobs speech at a bridge in Washington, D.C. "I trust in God, but God wants to see us help ourselves by putting people back to work."
"There's work to be done, there are workers ready to do it," Obama added, also criticizing House Republicans for debating a memorial coin to celebrate baseball.
House Republican aides said the baseball and the "In God We Trust" items were procedural matters that took less than 20 minutes -- and that the GOP-run House has also passed some 20 pieces that would promote job creation through reduced regulations and tax changes.
"At this point, the White House will create any sideshow they can to distract from the fact the House has sent jobs bill after jobs bill over to the Democrat-run Senate, only to see them collect dust," said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.
Because that would mean acknowledging that the GOP has produced jobs bills, and you can't grasp that concept since it goes against the Democratic talking points you've memorized.
They haven't produced any jobs bills. They've sent over right-wing dream bills that they know Dems won't support. Big difference.
The Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act (H.R. 1231) would lift the President’s ban on new offshore drilling by requiring the Administration to move forward in the 2012-2017 lease plan with energy production in areas containing the most oil and natural gas resources.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/12/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 243 to 179.
The Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230) would require the Obama Administration to move forward promptly to conduct offshore lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Virginia that the Obama Administration has delayed or canceled.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/5/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 266 to 149.
The Putting the Gulf Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229) would end the Obama Administration’s de facto moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico in a safe, responsible, transparent manner by setting firm time-lines for considering permits to drill, which provide certainty and allow employers and workers to get back on the job.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/11/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 263 to 163.
http://naturalresources.house.gov/Issues/Issue/?IssueID=34108
What do you trust God to do?
He seems to be letting you down at the moment.
The headlines I read today said men were doing the letting down, IDB. Not that anything I say matters to you, as you have made so plain in the past.
"you that you" - new figure of speech, idb? Oh, that's right. You were in such a rush to get another dig in you got tongue tied there for a minute.What do you trust God to do?
He seems to be letting you down at the moment.
The headlines I read today said men were doing the letting down, IDB. Not that anything I say matters to you, as you have made so plain in the past.
I give comments the respect I think they deserve.
I'm sure you sweat blood over every word you write - I'm sorry if you're not receiving the appreciation and accolades you that you think your insights warrant.
Obama: God wants us to put people back to work
Why don't you ask Reid and Obama why those 20 job creating bills are sitting on Reid desk, gathering dust?
Because that would mean acknowledging that the GOP has produced jobs bills, and you can't grasp that concept since it goes against the Democratic talking points you've memorized.
They haven't produced any jobs bills. They've sent over right-wing dream bills that they know Dems won't support. Big difference.
Here are three Republican Bills that would immediately create jobs, that have passed the House and are awaiting a Senate vote from Harry Reed. What have the Democrats passed in the Senate? Seems Harry Reed can't even keep his own party together long enough to pass Obama's 'American Jobs Act'. I thought the Democrats were serious about jobs?
The Reversing President Obamas Offshore Moratorium Act (H.R. 1231) would lift the Presidents ban on new offshore drilling by requiring the Administration to move forward in the 2012-2017 lease plan with energy production in areas containing the most oil and natural gas resources.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/12/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 243 to 179.
The Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230) would require the Obama Administration to move forward promptly to conduct offshore lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Virginia that the Obama Administration has delayed or canceled.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/5/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 266 to 149.
The Putting the Gulf Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229) would end the Obama Administrations de facto moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico in a safe, responsible, transparent manner by setting firm time-lines for considering permits to drill, which provide certainty and allow employers and workers to get back on the job.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/11/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 263 to 163.
House Republicans' American Energy Initiative - House Committee on Natural Resources
"you that you" - new figure of speech, idb? Oh, that's right. You were in such a rush to get another dig in you got tongue tied there for a minute.The headlines I read today said men were doing the letting down, IDB. Not that anything I say matters to you, as you have made so plain in the past.
I give comments the respect I think they deserve.
I'm sure you sweat blood over every word you write - I'm sorry if you're not receiving the appreciation and accolades you that you think your insights warrant.
if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it is good enough for me......
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two things to remember.
Obama is not god.
And we don't trust him.
Saying Obama is not God is kind of dumb, isn't it??? It's you right wingwingers that started saying crap like that. Not the lefties.
And you have no reason not to trust him. The stupidest reasons are given by the right wing for not liking the president:
He was not born here
He doesn't have enough experience
He's a communist
He's a socialist
He's a marxist
He's a muslim
He did not end the war
He did end the war
Obamacare is terrible
He's a Chicago mobster
He is disengaged
Appears cocky
His stimulus plan failed
He doesn't admit mistakes
He lied about his administration being transparent
Of course there is a lot more, but I think you should get the idea. It's just a bunch of crap. It seems like every comment about Obama by the right wing is negative and usually a lie. Oh, well. I think the GOP is digging their own graves.
Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs. More than 90% of these jobs will be in the private sector – jobs rebuilding our roads and bridges; constructing wind turbines and solar panels; laying broadband and expanding mass transit.
Because of this plan, there are teachers who can now keep their jobs and educate our kids. Health care professionals can continue caring for our sick. There are 57 police officers who are still on the streets of Minneapolis tonight because this plan prevented the layoffs their department was about to make.
President Obama in 2009 before Congress
They haven't produced any jobs bills. They've sent over right-wing dream bills that they know Dems won't support. Big difference.
Here are three Republican Bills that would immediately create jobs, that have passed the House and are awaiting a Senate vote from Harry Reed. What have the Democrats passed in the Senate? Seems Harry Reed can't even keep his own party together long enough to pass Obama's 'American Jobs Act'. I thought the Democrats were serious about jobs?
The Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act (H.R. 1231) would lift the President’s ban on new offshore drilling by requiring the Administration to move forward in the 2012-2017 lease plan with energy production in areas containing the most oil and natural gas resources.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/12/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 243 to 179.
The Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230) would require the Obama Administration to move forward promptly to conduct offshore lease sales in the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Virginia that the Obama Administration has delayed or canceled.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/5/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 266 to 149.
The Putting the Gulf Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229) would end the Obama Administration’s de facto moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico in a safe, responsible, transparent manner by setting firm time-lines for considering permits to drill, which provide certainty and allow employers and workers to get back on the job.
- Passed the House of Representatives on 5/11/2011 with a bipartisan vote of 263 to 163.
House Republicans' American Energy Initiative - House Committee on Natural Resources
Shakles, is there a site that gives an assessment of both sides of the argument for these bills?
Are the bills being held up because the Democrats oppose them?
If so, I'd be interested in their reasons why.
Here are three Republican Bills that would immediately create jobs, that have passed the House and are awaiting a Senate vote from Harry Reed. What have the Democrats passed in the Senate? Seems Harry Reed can't even keep his own party together long enough to pass Obama's 'American Jobs Act'. I thought the Democrats were serious about jobs?
Shakles, is there a site that gives an assessment of both sides of the argument for these bills?
Are the bills being held up because the Democrats oppose them?
If so, I'd be interested in their reasons why.
H.R. 1230: Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (GovTrack.us)
H.R. 1231: Reversing President Obama's Offshore Moratorium Act (GovTrack.us)
if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it is good enough for me......
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FYI "In God We trust" has only been the official motto of the USA since 1956.
