Are there any positives at all to attribute to Capitalism?

[Sallow]

So...What "entitlements" do the rich receive?

-Direct access to government officials.
-Copyrights and patents.
-Grants.
-Government contracts.
-Access to researched materials.
-Loans.
-Protection of their business properties by police and fire departments.
-Legislative protection of brick and mortar business from "sidewalk" or "mobile" startups.
-Meals and entertainment.
one..
-Profit is privatized and risk taking is protected with public funds.

None of these things are entitlements.
Please try again.

They sure are..

No "trying again" is necessary.

 

[JBeukema]

• S: (n) entitlement (right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)) "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

WordNet Search - 3.0

 

[M14 Shooter]

-Direct access to government officials.
-Copyrights and patents.
-Grants.
-Government contracts.
-Access to researched materials.
-Loans.
-Protection of their business properties by police and fire departments.
-Legislative protection of brick and mortar business from "sidewalk" or "mobile" startups.
-Meals and entertainment.
one..
-Profit is privatized and risk taking is protected with public funds.

None of these things are entitlements.
Please try again.

They sure are..

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

 

[Sallow]

None of these things are entitlements.
Please try again.

They sure are..

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

You make shit up all the time? Or just here.

 

[JBeukema]

None of these things are entitlements.
Please try again.

They sure are..

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

fail

• S: (n) entitlement (right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)) "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

WordNet Search - 3.0

 

[boedicca]

The fact is we live in a regulated market economy with benefits paid by most of us to some of us. The recipients are the poor and the wealthy (the investor class). Those who provide the entitlements to both...

1- What "entitlements" do the rich receive?
2- What portion of "entitlements" to the poor are paid by the rich?

As for question number two, that is nothing more than a red herring; it matters not what the rich provide the poor, unless the concept of Noblesse Oblige is factored into the discussion.
The point being the middle class - as a much greater segment of the population, and whose wealth is a product of their labor - put more into the economy in terms of labor, producton and taxes than the investor class.
As for number one, anyone who denies the wealthy have increased access to decision makers and the ability to influence law to their advantage must live in a cave.
We are a nation well on its way to becoming a Plutocracy, a much much greater likelihood then remaining a mixed economy.

Actually, we are a society on its way to a Thugocracy of Public Employee Unions and Career Politicians.

 

[Sallow]

They sure are..

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

fail

• S: (n) entitlement (right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)) "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

WordNet Search - 3.0

Well..even under his "Daffynition"..

TARP, Government Military Contracts (Haliburton, Boeing, Raytheon, etc), Grants, Loans and Tax breaks most certainly qualifies..

 

[M14 Shooter]

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

fail

• S: (n) entitlement (right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)) "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

WordNet Search - 3.0

Well..even under his "Daffynition"..

TARP, Government Military Contracts (Haliburton, Boeing, Raytheon, etc), Grants, Loans and Tax breaks most certainly qualifies..

No, no they don't.

None of these are part of a government benefits program designed to directly pay revenue to individuals that qualify for them.

When you have to re-define a term in order to make your point, such as you have, your point is, on its face, unsound.

 

[boedicca]

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

fail

• S: (n) entitlement (right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)) "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

WordNet Search - 3.0

Well..even under his "Daffynition"..

TARP, Government Military Contracts (Haliburton, Boeing, Raytheon, etc), Grants, Loans and Tax breaks most certainly qualifies..

Wrong. All of those things are not similar.

TARP is a transfer payment/bail out/loan hybrid. If the repayments had been used, as required by the bill, to reduce the deficiit, it would have been less egregious than it ended up being.

Government Military Contracts are proper purchases of goods and services for a proper function of government, although they are ripe with fraud and cost overruns due to the moral hazard of massive quantities of taxpayer money.

Loans, to whom? If you mean Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government has absolutely no business derisking the private sector with taxpayer money. FM/FM were two of the enablers of the financial crisis.

Tax breaks are not entitlements if the break is in the nature of reducing the taxes one owes. If it is a transfer payment giving money to people who don't owe taxes, then yes, it is an entitlement.

 

[M14 Shooter]

They sure are..

Only if you take the word to mean someething that it doesn't.

"Entitlements" - a benefit paid by the government to someone that qualifies for that payment, regardless of available funds.

You may try again.

fail

• S: (n) entitlement (right granted by law or contract (especially a right to benefits)) "entitlements make up the major part of the federal budget"

WordNet Search - 3.0

The failure here is to correctly apply the defintion.
The idea that tax breaks and contracts for good and services are 'entitlements' denotes either an abject ignorance or a deliberate desire to be wrong.

 

[Sallow]

fail

Well..even under his "Daffynition"..

TARP, Government Military Contracts (Haliburton, Boeing, Raytheon, etc), Grants, Loans and Tax breaks most certainly qualifies..

No, no they don't.

None of these are part of a government benefits program designed to directly pay revenue to individuals that qualify for them.

When you have to re-define a term in order to make your point, such as you have, your point is, on its face, unsound.

I didn't "re-define" a term. You did.

Get with the program will ya?

If you're going to call green - blue.

At least stick with the new definition.

 

[Wry Catcher]

1- What "entitlements" do the rich receive?
2- What portion of "entitlements" to the poor are paid by the rich?

As for question number two, that is nothing more than a red herring; it matters not what the rich provide the poor, unless the concept of Noblesse Oblige is factored into the discussion.
The point being the middle class - as a much greater segment of the population, and whose wealth is a product of their labor - put more into the economy in terms of labor, producton and taxes than the investor class.
As for number one, anyone who denies the wealthy have increased access to decision makers and the ability to influence law to their advantage must live in a cave.
We are a nation well on its way to becoming a Plutocracy, a much much greater likelihood then remaining a mixed economy.

Actually, we are a society on its way to a Thugocracy of Public Employee Unions and Career Politicians.

Sure we are. If you really believe this is true, advocate that all LEO's and first responders be paid minimum wage and provide for their own retirement.
Many of those on Wall Street, and working in the WTC who survived, ran like bunnies to midtown. Firefighters, cops of all stripes and EMT's ran South, into harms way.

 

[boedicca]

Strawman.

But then again, that's your standard MO.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Strawman.

But then again, that's your standard MO.

MY POST: "If you really believe this is true, advocate that all LEO's and first responders be paid minimum wage and provide for their own retirement.
Many of those on Wall Street, and working in the WTC who survived, ran like bunnies to midtown. Firefighters, cops of all stripes and EMT's ran South, into harms way.


You fucking idiot. My post is a fact, there's video evidence and graves to prove my assertion.

 

[Sallow]

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Well..even under his "Daffynition"..

TARP, Government Military Contracts (Haliburton, Boeing, Raytheon, etc), Grants, Loans and Tax breaks most certainly qualifies..

Wrong. All of those things are not similar.

TARP is a transfer payment/bail out/loan hybrid. If the repayments had been used, as required by the bill, to reduce the deficiit, it would have been less egregious than it ended up being.

Government Military Contracts are proper purchases of goods and services for a proper function of government, although they are ripe with fraud and cost overruns due to the moral hazard of massive quantities of taxpayer money.

Loans, to whom? If you mean Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government has absolutely no business derisking the private sector with taxpayer money. FM/FM were two of the enablers of the financial crisis.

Tax breaks are not entitlements if the break is in the nature of reducing the taxes one owes. If it is a transfer payment giving money to people who don't owe taxes, then yes, it is an entitlement.

You basically wrong on all counts.

 

[Samson]

Humanity cannot afford to allow a free market to exist. History has proven that.

Really?

What has been the market system that's been in existance for the past 10,000 years?

There has not been a single system in place for 10k years straight, you dolt.

Get a history book. Ask a librarian about mercantilism and trade unionism and the guilds of old, for starters.

"trade unionism" is a market system?

"gulids of old"

Let's face facts: Human civilization has been trading goods and services throughout it's history. Capitalism has ALWAYS existed, and if "History" has proven anything it is that humanity cannot exist without capitalism.

Idiot.

 

[JBeukema]

Trade is barter

Barter and capitalism are not the same thing

 

[Bern80]

Trade is barter

Barter and capitalism are not the same thing

You're right. The 'HUGE' difference being in one system items or services are traded for other items or services. In the other items or services are traded with a medium of exchange called money.

Either system allows those that participate in it to freely come together and agree upon fair exchanges. Man freedom and choice are awful things aren't they.

 

[JBeukema]

The existence of fiat is a necessary and sufficient condition for a system to be capitalist?

Where do you come up with this stuff?

The etymology of the word capital has roots in the trade and ownership of animals. The Latin root of the word capital is capitalis, from the proto-Indo-European kaput, which means "head", this being how wealth was measured. The more heads of cattle, the better. The terms chattel (meaning goods, animals, or slaves) and even cattle itself also derive from this same origin.

Capitalism - Etymology

 

[JBeukema]

Trade is barter

Barter and capitalism are not the same thing

You're right. The 'HUGE' difference being in one system items or services are traded for other items or services. In the other items or services are traded with a medium of exchange called money.

Either system allows those that participate in it to freely come together and agree upon fair exchanges. Man freedom and choice are awful things aren't they.

Caaitlists don't believe in fair trade. They believe in 'free trade'.