CDZ Are Signs Stating that "It is OK to be White" Racist?

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Are signs stating it is OK to be white racist?

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  1. JimBowie1958
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    That is not a true statement and has been debunked many times. Whites are more likely to be shot than blacks in violent confrontation with cops using guns.

    I am not concerned with ideological slogans.

    I simply want to see more transparency in our police forces, more community outreach in all communities and some kind of activity between young people and cops so that young people and cops can all see the other on their best behavior regularly instead of only criminal behavior. Why not have municipal basketball and other sports competitions between cops and civilian teams?

    We need to take cops off the revenue gathering mission and put them back to patrolling neighborhoods and giving assistance to the people that live there of all races.
     
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    There’s a difference between justified and unjustified use of force. I don’t know if whites are more likely to be shot by police because of population differences. I don’t know how many of those shootings are considered justified after review.
     
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    5 Statistics You Need To Know About Cops Killing Blacks

    1. According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. The majority of these victims had a gun or "were armed or otherwise threatening the officer with potentially lethal force,"....

    MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks "commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime" in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city's population.

    "The black violent crime rate would actually predict that more than 26 percent of police victims would be black," MacDonald said. "Officer use of force will occur where the police interact most often with violent criminals, armed suspects, and those resisting arrest, and that is in black neighborhoods."...

    2. More whites and Hispanics die from police homicides than blacks. According to Mac Donald, 12 percent of white and Hispanic homicide deaths were due to police officers, while only four percent of black homicide deaths were the result of police officers....

    3. The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story. In August 2015, the ratio was seven-to-one of unarmed black men dying from police gunshots compared to unarmed white men; the ratio was six-to-one by the end of 2015. But Mac Donald points out in The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:

    The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment....

    4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene....

    5. Blacks are more likely to kill cops than be killed by cops. This is according to FBI data, which also found that 40 percent of cop killers are black. According to Mac Donald, the police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black than a cop killing an unarmed black person.

    Despite the facts, the anti-police rhetoric of Black Lives Matter and their leftist sympathizers have resulted in what Mac Donald calls the "Ferguson Effect," as murders have spiked by 17 percent among the 50 biggest cities in the U.S. as a result of cops being more reluctant to police neighborhoods out of fear of being labeled as racists. ​

    Yes, innocent black lives do matter and that is why they need MORE patrolling in their neighborhoods and more protection from the criminals in their own communities.

    That does not happen by tying the hands of cops every time that they enter those communities.
     
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    When people start a movement like Black Lives Matter. It isn't racist. And it isn't ONLY.

    That is something added by worried fearful people who as a group are feeling excluded and discriminated against by what the see as a rising tide of minirities who can claim a distinct identity while they get labeled racist if they do. The rise in visibility of white supremacists who skillfully whitewash their racist views to become more mainstream is a symptom of, not the cause of, a wider cultural upheaval in our country. An upheaval where working class white men are feeling the brunt of economic disenfranchisement and the loss of traditional jobs AND identities to minorities, to women.

    On the other side, in Black Lives Matter, a group started by parents of black youth killed in police altercations, feel that black lives are devalued in our society, that all other lives matter more. Their goal is to bring public attention to what they see as unnecessary police violence and disproportionately targeting unarmed blacks and through that fomenting political change. You can agree or disagree with their view, but it is not and has never been racist unless you stretch the meaning of racist to include simply speaking out on racial issues.

    Rather than look at the complex issues surrounding race in America we feel safer labeling certain movements and views as racist or terrorist (another overused term).

    And despite those who poo poo feelings, it IS about feelings and perceptions because it is those that create the reality we operate in. It doesn't matter what the facts are when you are having to make a career change after years of being a well paid machinist in a company that has closed its doors in your town and no one is paying attention. Nor do facts matter when your unarmed son was pulled over by the police for a minor matter and shot while pulling out his wallet. And to the world, all he is is another stastic.


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    I don’t say he’s a great man. Willy Loman never made a lot of money. His name was never in the paper. He’s not the finest character that ever lived. But he’s a human being, and a terrible thing is happening to him. So attention must be paid. He’s not to be allowed to fall into his grave like an old dog. Attention, attention must be finally paid to such a person

     
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    No, it is not "racist to assert that it is OK to be white."
     
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    It' like those people who have those bumper stickers that read "If I'm doing the speed limit why should I move over to let you break the law?"

    It's like...aww, go fuck yourself you fucking baby
     
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    I'll never get American racism. Austrian is white but Spanish is not! Smh.
     
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    Anyone else note the snivel in this one?

    edit...Been done I see. I've never heard anyone say only black lives matter.
     
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    Spoken like a true party cheerleader :(
     
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