Are Republican women who take birth control considered "sluts" by the GOP?

[drsmith1072]

Desperate to keep the topic on birth control. You really are scared of talking about the real issues aren't you?

Republicans made this an issue when they tried to make the focus "freedom of religion" so it's funny how afraid they are to talk about it now that the focus has changed and it has now backfired on them.

When did the focus change? I have yet to see anyone anywhere, not just on this board, articulate an argument that in any way makes sense when they try to say that me not paying for something for someone else is somehow denying it to them. Want to give it a shot?

If you had been paying attention most people are not talking about freedom of religion anymore because the churches were exempt from day one.

Is that the argument being had?? How many people have told YOU to pay for something for someone else's birth control directly?? I think you have this debate confused with another argument. Please clarify what you are tlkaing about.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Republicans made this an issue when they tried to make the focus "freedom of religion" so it's funny how afraid they are to talk about it now that the focus has changed and it has now backfired on them.

When did the focus change? I have yet to see anyone anywhere, not just on this board, articulate an argument that in any way makes sense when they try to say that me not paying for something for someone else is somehow denying it to them. Want to give it a shot?

If you had been paying attention most people are not talking about freedom of religion anymore because the churches were exempt from day one.

Is that the argument being had?? How many people have told YOU to pay for something for someone else's birth control directly?? I think you have this debate confused with another argument. Please clarify what you are tlkaing about.

There you go again, declaring the government gets to decide what is, and is not, a church. You do know that the Constitution specifically forbids that, don't you?

I also notice you didn't actually tell me how Goeorgetwon not covering contraception in its insurance policy in any way stops people from getting contraception. Is the reason for that because you can't think of one?

 

[drsmith1072]

Only those who demand the Catholic Church provide them free of charge.

Are dumbocrats who demand free birth control considered leeches?

They are by anyone with a brain...

OK, so who is demanding that the catholic CHURCH provide them free of charge?? Please back up that claim.


Are conservatives who get their viagra covered by insurance leeches??

How much do Georgetown students pay for insurance through the school? Do you really believe that any significant portion of the students at one of the nation's elite law schools actually has trouble coughing up $100 a year for birth control? What does Viagra and contraception have in common, other than the left's fascination with sex?

Funny how I ask questions get no answers but then get asked nothing but inane questions.

And if you don't know how viagra and birth control are in the same spectrum and context of this discussion then perhaps you and your father need to have a long talk about the birds and the bees.

Here is a hint that both have something to do with sex. One allows the male to have it while the other allows the female to engage in it safely.

BTW she is not asking for it to be "free of charge" as you claimed. She pays for the required student insurance and just wants it to be part of the coverage she is paying for.

 

[Ernie S.]

OK, so who is demanding that the catholic CHURCH provide them free of charge?? Please back up that claim.


Are conservatives who get their viagra covered by insurance leeches??

How much do Georgetown students pay for insurance through the school? Do you really believe that any significant portion of the students at one of the nation's elite law schools actually has trouble coughing up $100 a year for birth control? What does Viagra and contraception have in common, other than the left's fascination with sex?

Funny how I ask questions get no answers but then get asked nothing but inane questions.

And if you don't know how viagra and birth control are in the same spectrum and context of this discussion then perhaps you and your father need to have a long talk about the birds and the bees.

Here is a hint that both have something to do with sex. One allows the male to have it while the other allows the female to engage in it safely.

BTW she is not asking for it to be "free of charge" as you claimed. She pays for the required student insurance and just wants it to be part of the coverage she is paying for.

You do realize that the 1st amendment specifically prohibits Congress from making laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, do you not? And you do realize that Georgetown is a Jesuit institution?
If birth control is against Catholic practice, is not government forcing them to provide birth control coverage in violation of the free exercise clause?

 

[drsmith1072]

Fluke testifying before Congress that the Catholic university she attends should cover contraceptives for students is not asking the Catholic Church to pay for contraceptives?

Do they take in tutition to cover the cost of running their university which is a separate entity from the CHURCH.
It is a catholic institution that serves to educate it's students for a fee and also requires that they buy a student health insurance plan. It is not a catholic church.

How does them taking money from students change the fact that it is run by an organization that exist to promote the belief in Jesus Christ and to expand knowledge of his creation? If you go to a church yard sale and someone talks to you about Jesus do you scream to the government because they offended you? The Constitution of the United States specifically forbids the government from defining what is, and is not, a church. If a church sets up a hospital it is still a church. If a church sets up a soup kitchen it is still a church. If a church sets up a school it is still a church. (I actually have a Supreme Court decision to back up that last one.) By extension, if a church sets up a university it is still a church. In fact, all of the Ivy League schools were set up by churches, and the government never had a problem with that until this year, now you want to jump on the bandwagon simply because you see a way to change the definition of church.

It ain't going to happen.

Why claim you have proof that supports your positions and not provide it?

 

[chikenwing]

I have little doubt that a good number of USMB conservative women, or the women in the households of USMB conservatives,

are currently getting contraception from an insurance policy, most likely through their employer.

And the premiums paid for said policy mean what??

 

[drsmith1072]

When did the focus change? I have yet to see anyone anywhere, not just on this board, articulate an argument that in any way makes sense when they try to say that me not paying for something for someone else is somehow denying it to them. Want to give it a shot?

If you had been paying attention most people are not talking about freedom of religion anymore because the churches were exempt from day one.

Is that the argument being had?? How many people have told YOU to pay for something for someone else's birth control directly?? I think you have this debate confused with another argument. Please clarify what you are tlkaing about.

There you go again, declaring the government gets to decide what is, and is not, a church. You do know that the Constitution specifically forbids that, don't you?

Still waiting on some substance from you. Do you have any or not?

I also notice you didn't actually tell me how Goeorgetwon not covering contraception in its insurance policy in any way stops people from getting contraception. Is the reason for that because you can't think of one?

Again I think you are confused. Here is your ACTUAL argument in this post...

I have yet to see anyone anywhere, not just on this board, articulate an argument that in any way makes sense when they try to say that me not paying for something for someone else is somehow denying it to them. Want to give it a shot?

Your original question was not about georgetown. So why change your question from the original that I did respond to and pretend that I didn't respond to your new one?

 

[drsmith1072]

How much do Georgetown students pay for insurance through the school? Do you really believe that any significant portion of the students at one of the nation's elite law schools actually has trouble coughing up $100 a year for birth control? What does Viagra and contraception have in common, other than the left's fascination with sex?

Funny how I ask questions get no answers but then get asked nothing but inane questions.

And if you don't know how viagra and birth control are in the same spectrum and context of this discussion then perhaps you and your father need to have a long talk about the birds and the bees.

Here is a hint that both have something to do with sex. One allows the male to have it while the other allows the female to engage in it safely.

BTW she is not asking for it to be "free of charge" as you claimed. She pays for the required student insurance and just wants it to be part of the coverage she is paying for.

You do realize that the 1st amendment specifically prohibits Congress from making laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, do you not? And you do realize that Georgetown is a Jesuit institution?
If birth control is against Catholic practice, is not government forcing them to provide birth control coverage in violation of the free exercise clause?

Funny how that didn't bother the right with they supported and passed DOMA into law and defined the religious institution of marriage as being between a man and a woman.

Is it primarily a church or a university? Based on its primary purpose of higher education I consider it the latter of the two and for that reason I do not see it as a violation of freedom of religion.

BTW are you trying to argue that religious freedom and liberty have no limits? Or are you willing to admit that there are limits to how far one can go and still claim freedom of religion?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

OK, so who is demanding that the catholic CHURCH provide them free of charge?? Please back up that claim.


Are conservatives who get their viagra covered by insurance leeches??

How much do Georgetown students pay for insurance through the school? Do you really believe that any significant portion of the students at one of the nation's elite law schools actually has trouble coughing up $100 a year for birth control? What does Viagra and contraception have in common, other than the left's fascination with sex?

Funny how I ask questions get no answers but then get asked nothing but inane questions.

And if you don't know how viagra and birth control are in the same spectrum and context of this discussion then perhaps you and your father need to have a long talk about the birds and the bees.

Here is a hint that both have something to do with sex. One allows the male to have it while the other allows the female to engage in it safely.

BTW she is not asking for it to be "free of charge" as you claimed. She pays for the required student insurance and just wants it to be part of the coverage she is paying for.

You don"t know who is asking the church to supply contraception free of charge? Seriously? I thought you were joking, have you not been paying attention to the news the past few weeks? I will give you a hint, his initials are BO. Here is a video where he actually claimed it would be free of charge.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFNeIzkM38]President Obama Contraception Mandate Statement - YouTube[/ame]

By the way, I never claimed she wanted it free of charge, I said she wants other people to pay for it because she is saying that some people cannot afford to go to Planned Parenthood and pick up some condoms, or simply abstain from sex. Instead of going through the horror of using a condom they should be subsidized in their absurd desire to purchase the most expensive birth control the world has ever seen. I am still trying to find a method that actually requires anyone to spend $1000 a year because nothing else is available to them.

By the way, I notice you didn't actually manage to answer my question. Now that I answered your stupid question about who is demanding that it be provided by the Church for free can you actually answer mine, because I am still pretty sure that Viagra does not prevent contraception.

On the other hand, it just might, as I have not yet heard about any man getting pregnant. On the other hand, women aren't actually supposed to take Viagra, so, unless someone is abusing it, there is really no reason to expect a man would get pregnant as a result of his sexual partner using Viagra.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Do they take in tutition to cover the cost of running their university which is a separate entity from the CHURCH.
It is a catholic institution that serves to educate it's students for a fee and also requires that they buy a student health insurance plan. It is not a catholic church.

How does them taking money from students change the fact that it is run by an organization that exist to promote the belief in Jesus Christ and to expand knowledge of his creation? If you go to a church yard sale and someone talks to you about Jesus do you scream to the government because they offended you? The Constitution of the United States specifically forbids the government from defining what is, and is not, a church. If a church sets up a hospital it is still a church. If a church sets up a soup kitchen it is still a church. If a church sets up a school it is still a church. (I actually have a Supreme Court decision to back up that last one.) By extension, if a church sets up a university it is still a church. In fact, all of the Ivy League schools were set up by churches, and the government never had a problem with that until this year, now you want to jump on the bandwagon simply because you see a way to change the definition of church.

It ain't going to happen.

Why claim you have proof that supports your positions and not provide it?

Why not?

Actually, it is because I already mentioned it many times in this debate, and everyone on your side just ignores it. knowing that you are no more capable of debating facts than the rest of the idiots attempting to support your side of the debate, I saw no reason to cite it again.

 

[Ernie S.]

I doubt many Republican women expect their contraceptives to be paid for by anyone but themselves.

That really is the issue isn't it? Nice post Si modo.

Yes, just like Bachman didnt take farm subsidy ( a grant by a government to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed advantageous to the public )
So I really don't think one can go there.

Show me what farm subsidies has to do with the first amendment.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If you had been paying attention most people are not talking about freedom of religion anymore because the churches were exempt from day one.

Is that the argument being had?? How many people have told YOU to pay for something for someone else's birth control directly?? I think you have this debate confused with another argument. Please clarify what you are tlkaing about.

There you go again, declaring the government gets to decide what is, and is not, a church. You do know that the Constitution specifically forbids that, don't you?

Still waiting on some substance from you. Do you have any or not?

I also notice you didn't actually tell me how Goeorgetwon not covering contraception in its insurance policy in any way stops people from getting contraception. Is the reason for that because you can't think of one?

Again I think you are confused. Here is your ACTUAL argument in this post...

I have yet to see anyone anywhere, not just on this board, articulate an argument that in any way makes sense when they try to say that me not paying for something for someone else is somehow denying it to them. Want to give it a shot?

Your original question was not about georgetown. So why change your question from the original that I did respond to and pretend that I didn't respond to your new one?

To make it easier for you? You are easily confused, and think that people generalizing when the specific discussion is about one school confuses you.

I also note that you never addressed the question. Is that a new tactic? Ignore the question then pretend you answered it?

 

[Ernie S.]

That really is the issue isn't it? Nice post Si modo.

Yes, just like Bachman didnt take farm subsidy ( a grant by a government to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed advantageous to the public )
So I really don't think one can go there.

you forgot about bachmann's husband being paid by federal funds to pray away the gay.

Another straw man.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Did I actually say what you quoted??

Yes, you said;

Since rush believes that having insurance pay for the medication promotes sex and makes her a prostitute

NOPE so you LIED in order to call me a liar. LOL

Nope, I stated the facts - are you on drugs?

here is my exact and REAL quote

Your real and exact quote is;

Since rush believes that having insurance pay for the medication promotes sex and makes her a prostitute

So why did you LIE?

I didn't - why are you lying now?

So even though you agree with my interpretation

It's not "your" interpretation, it's the interpretation of ThinkProgress, and I've given no indication I I agree.

with your "yeah" and then make your own argument that "She is asking for the Catholic Church to pay for her to have sex." which is basically the same thing rush said and which i pointed out that he said you still claim I made up "pretty much everything"?? Really??

Try to think.

Is she demanding that the Catholic Church pay for her sexual activity? Yep. So Rush is right.

Does that make her a prostitute? More of a john, in technical terms. But given the hyperbole common from the left, it was an understandable quip.

LOL And that is coming from a hack like you who makes up a phrase puts it in quotes and attributes it to me so he can call me a liar over something I never said.

Of course, you DID say it....

Since rush believes that having insurance pay for the medication promotes sex and makes her a prostitute

 

[drsmith1072]

How much do Georgetown students pay for insurance through the school? Do you really believe that any significant portion of the students at one of the nation's elite law schools actually has trouble coughing up $100 a year for birth control? What does Viagra and contraception have in common, other than the left's fascination with sex?

Funny how I ask questions get no answers but then get asked nothing but inane questions.

And if you don't know how viagra and birth control are in the same spectrum and context of this discussion then perhaps you and your father need to have a long talk about the birds and the bees.

Here is a hint that both have something to do with sex. One allows the male to have it while the other allows the female to engage in it safely.

BTW she is not asking for it to be "free of charge" as you claimed. She pays for the required student insurance and just wants it to be part of the coverage she is paying for.

You don"t know who is asking the church to supply contraception free of charge? Seriously? I thought you were joking, have you not been paying attention to the news the past few weeks? I will give you a hint, his initials are BO. Here is a video where he actually claimed it would be free of charge.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRFNeIzkM38]President Obama Contraception Mandate Statement - YouTube[/ame]

all of that time and you still fall flat on your face.

The requirement is that insurance plans cover the cost including copayment but how does one get insurance coverage without PAYING for it?? All obama is saying is that there would be no copayment to receive the preventative care however he isn't excluding them from paying for the COVERAGE.

By the way, I never claimed she wanted it free of charge,

No you didn't that was what was said by uncensored who has left the building instead of answering some simple questions. I apologize.

I said she wants other people to pay for it because she is saying that some people cannot afford to go to Planned Parenthood and pick up some condoms, or simply abstain from sex.

Actually she wanted insurance that she is required to pay for to cover it.

Instead of going through the horror of using a condom they should be subsidized in their absurd desire to purchase the most expensive birth control the world has ever seen.

what are you babbling about?? most expensive? She wants the insurance plan she is required to buy to cover the costs. What about that are you not getting?

I am still trying to find a method that actually requires anyone to spend $1000 a year because nothing else is available to them.

Perhaps it has to do with more than just the costs of the medication? Office visits to get the prescription more than likely have a copayment and then they have to get it filled and then pay the pharmacy. So have anything real to show how much it actually costs?

By the way, I notice you didn't actually manage to answer my question. Now that I answered your stupid question about who is demanding that it be provided by the Church for free can you actually answer mine,

which question? you claim I failed to answer a question but which one? you respond to my questions with questions and don't answer my questions then you demand that I answer one of the many inane questions you have tossed out. So which question?

because I am still pretty sure that Viagra does not prevent contraception.
On the other hand, it just might, as I have not yet heard about any man getting pregnant. On the other hand, women aren't actually supposed to take Viagra, so, unless someone is abusing it, there is really no reason to expect a man would get pregnant as a result of his sexual partner using Viagra.

I have already explained why I brought up viagra so if you wish to continue to play stupiud then by all means continue. Unless of course, you aren't playing stupid?

 

[drsmith1072]

How does them taking money from students change the fact that it is run by an organization that exist to promote the belief in Jesus Christ and to expand knowledge of his creation? If you go to a church yard sale and someone talks to you about Jesus do you scream to the government because they offended you? The Constitution of the United States specifically forbids the government from defining what is, and is not, a church. If a church sets up a hospital it is still a church. If a church sets up a soup kitchen it is still a church. If a church sets up a school it is still a church. (I actually have a Supreme Court decision to back up that last one.) By extension, if a church sets up a university it is still a church. In fact, all of the Ivy League schools were set up by churches, and the government never had a problem with that until this year, now you want to jump on the bandwagon simply because you see a way to change the definition of church.

It ain't going to happen.

Why claim you have proof that supports your positions and not provide it?

Why not?

Actually, it is because I already mentioned it many times in this debate, and everyone on your side just ignores it. knowing that you are no more capable of debating facts than the rest of the idiots attempting to support your side of the debate, I saw no reason to cite it again.

LOL So it's my fault that you fail to provide substance to support your claims? LOL

Now that is hilarious.

p.s. The fact that you CLAIM to have "mentioned it" is not providing substance to support said claims. LOL

 

[drsmith1072]

There you go again, declaring the government gets to decide what is, and is not, a church. You do know that the Constitution specifically forbids that, don't you?

Still waiting on some substance from you. Do you have any or not?

I also notice you didn't actually tell me how Goeorgetwon not covering contraception in its insurance policy in any way stops people from getting contraception. Is the reason for that because you can't think of one?

Again I think you are confused. Here is your ACTUAL argument in this post...

I have yet to see anyone anywhere, not just on this board, articulate an argument that in any way makes sense when they try to say that me not paying for something for someone else is somehow denying it to them. Want to give it a shot?

Your original question was not about georgetown. So why change your question from the original that I did respond to and pretend that I didn't respond to your new one?

To make it easier for you? You are easily confused, and think that people generalizing when the specific discussion is about one school confuses you.

I also note that you never addressed the question. Is that a new tactic? Ignore the question then pretend you answered it?

LOL So you ask one question, I respond to it but you pretend it doesn't exist. Then you claim that I avoided the new one as you pretend it was the question that you initially asked and then you follow that up by repeating the false claim that I avoided said question which is a strawman.

How sad is your life?

BTW insulting me doesn't change the fact that you a making a fool out of yourself and I am laughing it up. LOL

 

[drsmith1072]

Yes, just like Bachman didnt take farm subsidy ( a grant by a government to a private person or company to assist an enterprise deemed advantageous to the public )
So I really don't think one can go there.

you forgot about bachmann's husband being paid by federal funds to pray away the gay.

Another straw man.

Do you know what a strawman is??

I have to ask because that isn't one.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Do you know what a strawman is??

I have to ask because that isn't one.

Yeah, a Red Herring isn't a straw man.

Wrong aisle down at Jillian's favorite store - "fallacies R us."

 

[Luddly Neddite]

GObP/Republicans have long worshiped Rush. Lil Bush carried his bags upstairs when he stayed there and presented him with a b'day cake. Boehner calls Rush for instructions - not that it has done boehner any good. He still hasn't done his job as speaker.

Its simply a fact that the pub party looks to Rush for leadership.

That's why not even one of them has had the balls to unequivocally condemn his slanderous attack on Ms Fluke.

Meanwhile, I just saw lushbo state that his lost sponsors are no more important than a couple of dropped french fries out of the container. Not very surprised that lushbo the fatty gets french fries at the drive through window. Also not surprising that he thinks so little of his sponsors.

I must admit that its disturbing to see all the rw's here insisting on defending this fat, drug addicted pond scum's LIES about Ms Fluke. Especially since they're always so quick to defend poor little $arah when libs dare to tell the TRUTH about her.

I have no doubt that they would defend Ms Fluke IF she were a rabid and radical right wing nut. Since she dares to speak about women's health issues, they're dead set against her.