Are Republican women who take birth control considered "sluts" by the GOP?

[Quantum Windbag]

all of that time and you still fall flat on your face.

Actually, I didn't, I just baited a trap for you, and you ran right into it.

The requirement is that insurance plans cover the cost including copayment but how does one get insurance coverage without PAYING for it?? All obama is saying is that there would be no copayment to receive the preventative care however he isn't excluding them from paying for the COVERAGE.

The actual requirement, as posted on the DHS website, is for the employers to pay for the coverage. Feel free to go find a link to anything other than the video I just posted that contains any plan that says anything else, you won't find one.

Did it hurt when you globsmacked your face into the ground?

No you didn't that was what was said by uncensored who has left the building instead of answering some simple questions. I apologize.

I can understand the confusion, apology accepted.

Actually she wanted insurance that she is required to pay for to cover it.

Actually, she wants insurance that other people are getting to cover it, hers already does because she doesn't use the Georgetown provided insurance. She chose to go to Georgetown in an attempt to force the Jesuits to cover contraception, getting a law degree is a secondary goal. That much was made clear even before she testified.

Meet Sandra Fluke: The woman you didn’t hear at Congress’ contraceptives hearing - The Washington Post

what are you babbling about?? most expensive? She wants the insurance plan she is required to buy to cover the costs. What about that are you not getting?

Her plan does cover the cost. She testified that contraception costs up to $3000 a year, which is pretty expensive for something you can pick up at Walmart for $9 for a months supply. Maybe she only shops at Tiffany's.

Perhaps it has to do with more than just the costs of the medication? Office visits to get the prescription more than likely have a copayment and then they have to get it filled and then pay the pharmacy. So have anything real to show how much it actually costs?

a routine doctor's visit for contraception costs $2800? Why do I find that even harder to believe? Especially when I add in the fact that the insurance actually covers doctor's visits.

which question? you claim I failed to answer a question but which one? you respond to my questions with questions and don't answer my questions then you demand that I answer one of the many inane questions you have tossed out. So which question?

You asked a question in which the answer was so self evident I assumed it was rhetorical, and you think my question about how not providing coverage for something in any way prohibits people from getting it is inane?

because I am still pretty sure that Viagra does not prevent contraception.
On the other hand, it just might, as I have not yet heard about any man getting pregnant. On the other hand, women aren't actually supposed to take Viagra, so, unless someone is abusing it, there is really no reason to expect a man would get pregnant as a result of his sexual partner using Viagra.

I have already explained why I brought up viagra so if you wish to continue to play stupiud then by all means continue. Unless of course, you aren't playing stupid?[/QUOTE]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Again I think you are confused. Here is your ACTUAL argument in this post...



Your original question was not about georgetown. So why change your question from the original that I did respond to and pretend that I didn't respond to your new one?

To make it easier for you? You are easily confused, and think that people generalizing when the specific discussion is about one school confuses you.

I also note that you never addressed the question. Is that a new tactic? Ignore the question then pretend you answered it?

LOL So you ask one question, I respond to it but you pretend it doesn't exist. Then you claim that I avoided the new one as you pretend it was the question that you initially asked and then you follow that up by repeating the false claim that I avoided said question which is a strawman.

How sad is your life?

BTW insulting me doesn't change the fact that you a making a fool out of yourself and I am laughing it up. LOL

I responded to your question when you made it obvious that you were not joking. You still haven't responded to mine.

Interesting.

 

[drsmith1072]

Did I actually say what you quoted??

Yes, you said;

Since rush believes that having insurance pay for the medication promotes sex and makes her a prostitute

and this is what you said.

But unless you can show that he said "medication causes women to be prostitutes" then you're just making shit up - lying like a fucking democrat.

NOtice how your quote does not match what i actually said? Therefore, according to your own words I did not say what you quoted me as saying.

You lied, you lose and nothing will change that FACT. LOL

p.s. I put the most important word of my statement in bold type. If you could read you could see that I was referring to rush's belief that insurance paying for the medication makes her a prostitute.

 

[Uncensored2008]

NOtice how your quote does not match what i actually said? Therefore, according to your own words I did not say what you quoted me as saying.

Same difference sparky.

You lied, you lose and nothing will change that FACT. LOL

par·a·phrase/ˈparəˌfrāz/
Verb:
Express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, esp. to achieve greater clarity.

Yer not the sharpest marshmallow in the bag, sparky.

p.s. I put the most important word of my statement in bold type. If you could read you could see that I was referring to rush's belief that insurance paying for the medication makes her a prostitute.

You're a mindless demagogue - nothing you post is "important."

Standard Disclaimer: I'm just sayin....

 

[Ernie S.]

Funny how I ask questions get no answers but then get asked nothing but inane questions.

And if you don't know how viagra and birth control are in the same spectrum and context of this discussion then perhaps you and your father need to have a long talk about the birds and the bees.

Here is a hint that both have something to do with sex. One allows the male to have it while the other allows the female to engage in it safely.

BTW she is not asking for it to be "free of charge" as you claimed. She pays for the required student insurance and just wants it to be part of the coverage she is paying for.

You do realize that the 1st amendment specifically prohibits Congress from making laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, do you not? And you do realize that Georgetown is a Jesuit institution?
If birth control is against Catholic practice, is not government forcing them to provide birth control coverage in violation of the free exercise clause?

Funny how that didn't bother the right with they supported and passed DOMA into law and defined the religious institution of marriage as being between a man and a woman.

Straw man but yes, the church thinks marriage is a union of one man and one woman. Not really pertinent, unless you think Georgetown should pay for you to marry your boyfriend

Is it primarily a church or a university? Based on its primary purpose of higher education I consider it the latter of the two and for that reason I do not see it as a violation of freedom of religion.

It's primarily a parochial university; a Jesuit institution. No one much gives a shit what you consider, doc.

BTW are you trying to argue that religious freedom and liberty have no limits? Or are you willing to admit that there are limits to how far one can go and still claim freedom of religion?

If you're asking if I support your (a)religious right to murder babies, then yes, there are limits. That's not what the Catholic Church is asking. Government is demanding they provide an otherwise easily obtainable service in conflict with the basic tenets of their religion.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Except for the minor detail that no one has yet proven that Goergetown actually provides contraception coverage to employees since it is not subject to any of the various state requirements that have employers cover contraception with copays. If you took your head out of your ass long enough to count to 1 you would know that no state regulations cover the District of Columbia.

Actually, Seawytch posted a link directly from Georgetown. If you took your head out of your ass long enough to pay attention, you'd already know that.

Want to say something else to prove you are an idiot?

The real issue is who Fluke, and you, want to pay for it.

You're right. Fluke does want to pay for health insurance that would cover contraception.

Seeing that it is readily available for about $100 a year if you are forced to pay for it out of pocket

Some things are available for that much, some for less, some are much more. Why do you insist on ignoring the fact that not every form of birth control is an appropriate option for every woman?

and for a lot less if you go to a clinic

I have no interest in discussing plans that would require students to obtain contraceptives that are paid for by someone else. I want to see these students have the opportunity to pay for their own contraceptives, via health insurance that covers contraceptive care.

why should insurance cover it?

Insurance covers contraceptives all the time. It's not the insurance companies that are stopping this. It's the school that is interfering. But you already knew that. You just want to play dumb, and try to twist it all around.

 

[Zoom-boing]

republicans are soooooo clueless when their 18 year old daughter goes to college. The op makes a valid point.

Rdean's points are many things, but valid is not one of them.

His points are mostly on top of his head.

 

[drsmith1072]

all of that time and you still fall flat on your face.

Actually, I didn't, I just baited a trap for you, and you ran right into it.

The requirement is that insurance plans cover the cost including copayment but how does one get insurance coverage without PAYING for it?? All obama is saying is that there would be no copayment to receive the preventative care however he isn't excluding them from paying for the COVERAGE.

The actual requirement, as posted on the DHS website, is for the employers to pay for the coverage. Feel free to go find a link to anything other than the video I just posted that contains any plan that says anything else, you won't find one.

Did it hurt when you globsmacked your face into the ground?

So in other words you make a claim and then post a video claiming it backs up your claims but when I point out it doesn't you make another unsubstantiated claim about what it allegedly says on the DHS website all the while trying desperately to claim you set a trap?? LOL

I actually believe this is why rightwingers choose not to show their source becuase when they are wrong about the actual content of their sources they have nothing to do but pretend that they did it on purpose as they jump to a new line of unsubstantiated bs.

You be sure to let me know when you have the substance to back up you NEW claim and telling me to google it doesn't back up your claim. LOL

Actually, she wants insurance that other people are getting to cover it, hers already does because she doesn't use the Georgetown provided insurance. She chose to go to Georgetown in an attempt to force the Jesuits to cover contraception, getting a law degree is a secondary goal. That much was made clear even before she testified.

Meet Sandra Fluke: The woman you didn’t hear at Congress’ contraceptives hearing - The Washington Post



Her plan does cover the cost. She testified that contraception costs up to $3000 a year, which is pretty expensive for something you can pick up at Walmart for $9 for a months supply. Maybe she only shops at Tiffany's.

Funny but the article that you provided says nothing about what kind of coverage she has. So why provide the source if it doesn't back up the arguments that you are making?

a routine doctor's visit for contraception costs $2800? Why do I find that even harder to believe? Especially when I add in the fact that the insurance actually covers doctor's visits.

who said anything about one visit costing $2800?? From what i understood that was over a three year period so what is your source for this claim?

which question? you claim I failed to answer a question but which one? you respond to my questions with questions and don't answer my questions then you demand that I answer one of the many inane questions you have tossed out. So which question?

You asked a question in which the answer was so self evident I assumed it was rhetorical, and you think my question about how not providing coverage for something in any way prohibits people from getting it is inane?

It is inane since I have not made any such argument why would you ask me such a strawman and imply that I had? Did anyone make such an argument? Link?

 

[drsmith1072]

To make it easier for you? You are easily confused, and think that people generalizing when the specific discussion is about one school confuses you.

I also note that you never addressed the question. Is that a new tactic? Ignore the question then pretend you answered it?

LOL So you ask one question, I respond to it but you pretend it doesn't exist. Then you claim that I avoided the new one as you pretend it was the question that you initially asked and then you follow that up by repeating the false claim that I avoided said question which is a strawman.

How sad is your life?

BTW insulting me doesn't change the fact that you a making a fool out of yourself and I am laughing it up. LOL

I responded to your question when you made it obvious that you were not joking. You still haven't responded to mine.

Interesting.

LOL So you "respond" to my question by posting a link to a video claiming it backs up your position that obama wants preventative care including contraceptives to be provided for free of charge when according to the video you provided he doesn't. Despite being wrong you think that your lame attempt to claim that your false claim was a "trap" somehow makes things better?? You do realize that either you are wrong about the video or you intentionally lied about it in desperate attmpt to "trap" me based on your new line of unsubstantiated bs. LOL

I find it interesting that you would admit to lying in order to try and "trap" poor little ol me whom you have gone out ot your way trying to claim is unimportant. LOL

You are so full of shite and your question is a strawman as it tries to imply that I or anyone else has argued that they can't get them somewhere else. I know I haven't so why pose this strawman to me when i haven't expressed any such position?

 

[drsmith1072]

NOtice how your quote does not match what i actually said? Therefore, according to your own words I did not say what you quoted me as saying.

Same difference sparky.

You lied, you lose and nothing will change that FACT. LOL

par·a·phrase/ˈparəˌfrāz/
Verb:
Express the meaning of (the writer or speaker or something written or spoken) using different words, esp. to achieve greater clarity.

Yer not the sharpest marshmallow in the bag, sparky.

p.s. I put the most important word of my statement in bold type. If you could read you could see that I was referring to rush's belief that insurance paying for the medication makes her a prostitute.

You're a mindless demagogue - nothing you post is "important."

Standard Disclaimer: I'm just sayin....

LOL Watching you try to squirm your way out of your lie is hilarious. You didn't "paraphrase" which would have the same meaning. You rephrased the statement to form a new and different meaning from it's original form. The simple fact that I did not say or imply what you falsely attributed to me as well as the fact that you have to delete the two comments from being side by side shows that you know you are nothing but a dishonest hack.

Care to explain how this

having insurance pay for the medication promotes sex and makes her a prostitute

has the same meaning as this

"medication causes women to be prostitutes"

which is what you falsely claimed I said?

Thanks for the laughs though.

 

[drsmith1072]

You do realize that the 1st amendment specifically prohibits Congress from making laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion, do you not? And you do realize that Georgetown is a Jesuit institution?
If birth control is against Catholic practice, is not government forcing them to provide birth control coverage in violation of the free exercise clause?

Funny how that didn't bother the right with they supported and passed DOMA into law and defined the religious institution of marriage as being between a man and a woman.

Straw man

look up the definition of strawman and learn what it really means.

but yes, the church thinks marriage is a union of one man and one woman. Not really pertinent, unless you think Georgetown should pay for you to marry your boyfriend

You really need to learn to read. It's about how the right used the federal government to define a religious institution in order too deny others their religious freedom to marry and be treated equally under the law even though the right is now arguing freedom of religion. I thought that was pretty obvious but then you don't even know what a strawman is so I really shoudln't be surprised.

Is it primarily a church or a university? Based on its primary purpose of higher education I consider it the latter of the two and for that reason I do not see it as a violation of freedom of religion.

It's primarily a parochial university; a Jesuit institution. No one much gives a shit what you consider, doc.

and why should your opinions be considered?? LOL

BTW are you trying to argue that religious freedom and liberty have no limits? Or are you willing to admit that there are limits to how far one can go and still claim freedom of religion?

If you're asking if I support your (a)religious right to murder babies, then yes, there are limits. That's not what the Catholic Church is asking. Government is demanding they provide an otherwise easily obtainable service in conflict with the basic tenets of their religion.

murder babies?? WTF dude?? Is that really where your mind went first?? You are one sick bastard.

Although I do find it interesting that you do believe there are and should be limitations to religious freedom. So the difference is where you draw the line. lol

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Actually, Seawytch posted a link directly from Georgetown. If you took your head out of your ass long enough to pay attention, you'd already know that.

Want to say something else to prove you are an idiot?

Like, for example, the link she posted doesn't actually say anything about contraception? Or would that be to complicated for you to process?

You're right. Fluke does want to pay for health insurance that would cover contraception.

Fluke's health insurance does cover contraception, she opted out of purchasing the Georgetown insurance and uses the insurance supplied by her employer. What exactly is your point again?

Some things are available for that much, some for less, some are much more. Why do you insist on ignoring the fact that not every form of birth control is an appropriate option for every woman?

What makes you think I am ignoring the facts?

I have no interest in discussing plans that would require students to obtain contraceptives that are paid for by someone else. I want to see these students have the opportunity to pay for their own contraceptives, via health insurance that covers contraceptive care.

How do they not have the opportunity to fork out money for their own contraceptives? Did you buy into Fluke's lie that the only way to get contraception is if it is covered by insurance?

Insurance covers contraceptives all the time. It's not the insurance companies that are stopping this. It's the school that is interfering. But you already knew that. You just want to play dumb, and try to twist it all around.

Insurance covers that if you opt into it and pay extra for the coverage, they then add in a copay that usually comes out to more than what you pay for the contraception itself. That actually means that, in the long run, you pay extra to get coverage for something that you end up paying for out of pocket. I know that makes sense to idiots, but it seems like a waste of money to me.

Still don't see how the school, obviously being better at math than you, is interfering with students getting contraception. Does the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms mandate that the government provide everyone a gun, or does the requirement to pay for rights only apply to things you like?

 

[candycorn]

Rick Santorum's wife lived with another man for 6 years and never had a baby.

Rush has been married 4 times and never had a baby.

One has to assume these wives are taking birth control or have taken birth control.

Could they be considered "sluts" by today's right wing?

If not, then why not?

Because they are republicans too, I guess???

 

[Dot Com]

Rick Santorum's wife lived with another man for 6 years and never had a baby.

Rush has been married 4 times and never had a baby.

One has to assume these wives are taking birth control or have taken birth control.

Could they be considered "sluts" by today's right wing?

If not, then why not?

I'd have to emphatically say "YES"!!!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So in other words you make a claim and then post a video claiming it backs up your claims but when I point out it doesn't you make another unsubstantiated claim about what it allegedly says on the DHS website all the while trying desperately to claim you set a trap?? LOL

Obama doesn't want contraception to be free? He didn't actually say that in the video I posted? Is that your position?

Like I said, if I am wrong, all you have to do is find a link that proves it. If a plan actually exists somewhere that requires insurance companies to pay for contraception themselves you shouldn't have a problem finding it. That was your claim, by the way, not mine, so I see no reason to prove you right. Feel free to link to the DHS, or anything else, that proves me wrong. Even Greenbeard couldn't find that plan when I challenged him.

I actually believe this is why rightwingers choose not to show their source becuase when they are wrong about the actual content of their sources they have nothing to do but pretend that they did it on purpose as they jump to a new line of unsubstantiated bs.

Excuse me? You made the claim that the plan exists. The news covered the plan I am talking about extensively, and Obama even got out and talked about a compromise that you are basing your assertion that something else exists on. He is the President of the United States, if he has a plan, like you claim, you should be able to prove it. Until you do I will assume the one that actually got published by the DHS is the one that exists.

In other words, you have to prove that your plan exists, we have been arguing about the actual plan for weeks.

A statement by U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

You be sure to let me know when you have the substance to back up you NEW claim and telling me to google it doesn't back up your claim. LOL

Telling you to Google it? When did I do that? Want to try again?

Funny but the article that you provided says nothing about what kind of coverage she has. So why provide the source if it doesn't back up the arguments that you are making?

Did you notice that in the entirety of her testimony, she never once said she does not have access to contraception? Do you think there might be a reason for that?

who said anything about one visit costing $2800?? From what i understood that was over a three year period so what is your source for this claim?

You did when you tried to argue that office visits would add to the cost of contraception, while simultaneously ignoring the fact that Georgetown's insurance actually covers checkups. That leaves you to explain your position, I just threw in some numbers to show you how ridiculous it is.

It is inane since I have not made any such argument why would you ask me such a strawman and imply that I had? Did anyone make such an argument? Link?

Why should insurance cover contraception then? Just because?

At least I assumed you had a reason for your position, which doesn't make my question inane. It does, however, make your defense of a position that you have no reason to support really stupid.

 

[Ravi]

Are Republican women who take birth control considered "sluts" by the GOP?

No, that's different, somehow.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

LOL So you ask one question, I respond to it but you pretend it doesn't exist. Then you claim that I avoided the new one as you pretend it was the question that you initially asked and then you follow that up by repeating the false claim that I avoided said question which is a strawman.

How sad is your life?

BTW insulting me doesn't change the fact that you a making a fool out of yourself and I am laughing it up. LOL

I responded to your question when you made it obvious that you were not joking. You still haven't responded to mine.

Interesting.

LOL So you "respond" to my question by posting a link to a video claiming it backs up your position that obama wants preventative care including contraceptives to be provided for free of charge when according to the video you provided he doesn't. Despite being wrong you think that your lame attempt to claim that your false claim was a "trap" somehow makes things better?? You do realize that either you are wrong about the video or you intentionally lied about it in desperate attmpt to "trap" me based on your new line of unsubstantiated bs. LOL

I find it interesting that you would admit to lying in order to try and "trap" poor little ol me whom you have gone out ot your way trying to claim is unimportant. LOL

You are so full of shite and your question is a strawman as it tries to imply that I or anyone else has argued that they can't get them somewhere else. I know I haven't so why pose this strawman to me when i haven't expressed any such position?

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, somebody always has to pay for it. That is a simple fact, therefore any claim Obama makes that insurers will provide the coverage for free is stupid. The fact that you actually believe him doesn't make it less stupid.

 

[MeBelle]

Except for the minor detail that no one has yet proven that Goergetown actually provides contraception coverage to employees since it is not subject to any of the various state requirements that have employers cover contraception with copays. If you took your head out of your ass long enough to count to 1 you would know that no state regulations cover the District of Columbia.

Actually, Seawytch posted a link directly from Georgetown.

<snip>
Seawytch posted a link to only one of four possible health insurance plans for faculty.
Here are all of them:
Medical Insurance: Office of Faculty and Staff Benefits

Here is the link to the student health care plan which WILL cover birth control if used for treatment such as the one Ms Fluke testified to.

Georgetown University :: Office of Student Affairs :: Student Health Insurance

 

[saveliberty]

Nope, just the ones who use $3,000 a year worth. There needs to be a list don't you think?

 

[rdean]

Republicans pretending to care about babies is always a humorous topic. They don't seem to understand that before it's born, it's a "fetus". They care about the fetus. Once it's born, THEN it's a baby. They don't really care too much about babies. Only a fetus.