Arctic Ice stable since 1979!!!!

[Old Rocks]

Except that is what is happening as we post. We are going green for economic reasons.

 

[skookerasbil]

Already happening, Old Man. Many third world nations are now looking to go directly to renewables, and skip the fossil fuel step. China and India are both investing heavily in renewables. And here in the US we are starting to install solar wind in a big way. Especially Texas. And the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado could be making buku bucks with the wind energy they have. Yes, it will require investment. But investment is how a Capitalist system works.

Ray......we have been printing $$ to a tune of 80 billion per month the past 6 years and what has it resulted in? 2% growth rates. Stop reading Krugman.........hes a mental case. The only way you can do this is to literally tax people at extremely prohibitive rates. Politically, that never sells too well!!! Therefore.............impossible. Anyway.....the point if moot because China says "Fuck you!!!"..................so what? We eliminate the middle class completely while China burns coal like theres no tomorrow? See pic above of midget at the plate!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Except that is what is happening as we post. We are going green for economic reasons.

Just not reality...........if that were true, Wall Street would be all in. They have zero interest in green energy........they've seen the disaster in Europe.

In the end, like they've always said..........it all comes down to politics.

 

[Old Rocks]

China’s investment in renewables soars by a third

By Kieran Cooke
Despite a slowdown in its economy and the continued reliance on coal, China is pumping billions of dollars into its renewable energy industry.

LONDON, 30 May, 2015 − China invested more than US$89 billion in renewable energy projects in the country in 2014 – a growth of 31% on the previous year, according to a detailed report on the country’s energy sector.

The soaring increase is revealed in a report by the US government’s Energy Information Administration (EIA). But it adds that fossil fuels − particularly coal − still look set to continue to dominate China’s power sector.

Coal is by far the most polluting fossil fuel, and China is the world’s leading emitter of climate-changing greenhouse gases.

Wind power production went up by nearly 40% in the 2012-13 period. Although there are still big gaps in the transmission infrastructure, the aim is to generate 200 gigawatts (GW) of electricity from wind by 2020.

China has no choice but to go to renewables as fast as possible. They are already on the razors edge of political upheaval because of the pollution that the people face daily. It is literally killing them.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wall Street Pumps Billions Into Renewable Energy

After years of lofty promises, Wall Street believes the renewable energy industry can produce a payoff.

In just a few years, investors have gone from zero to billions in the amount of money they’re pumping into renewable-energy companies and environmentally friendly projects.

Tax-equity funds and specialty financial tools like “green bonds” and yieldcos have become increasingly popular. And investments in the renewable-energy companies that benefit from these financial tools have far outperformed those in oil-and-gas drilling and coal mining since the start of 2013, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance, a research arm of Bloomberg LP.

Analysts, bankers and investors at the Renewable Energy Finance Forum in New York this week were ebullient. Many see the sector as past a tipping point: Skepticism has melted among the financial brokers of the energy world, and they have started to fund the renewable-power sector as a legitimate upcoming rival to fossil fuels.

“Wall Street is really warming up to this,” said Kevin Birzer, chief executive of Tortoise Capital Advisors, which manages $18 billion. “And I think we’ll see a lot more of it.”

U.S. solar companies had closed a cumulative $2.6 billion in tax-equity funds by late 2014, up from nothing about five years before. “Green bonds,” a type of debt designed to fund environmentally friendly projects, drew $40 billion in investment in 2014, about eight times what it had seen in 2012. Yieldcos have had $4 billion in issuances announced this year, up from about $2.5 billion in each of the last two years, according to Bloomberg NEF.

Interesting.

 

[Old Rocks]

Next Texas Energy Boom: Solar

By
RUSSELL GOLD
Aug. 21, 2015 5:30 a.m. ET
432 COMMENTS
FORT STOCKTON, Texas—A new energy boom is taking shape in the oil fields of west Texas, but it’s not what you think. It’s solar.

Solar power has gotten so cheap to produce—and so competitively priced in the electricity market—that it is taking hold even in a state that, unlike California, doesn’t offer incentives to utilities to buy or build sun-powered generation.

Pecos County, about halfway between San Antonio and El Paso and on the southern edge of the prolific Permian Basin oil field, could soon play host to several large solar-energy farms responsible for about $1 billion in investments, according to state tax records.

On a recent day, contractors for OCI Solar Power LLC erected posts for a solar farm that will be the size of more than 900 football fields.First Solar Inc. was negotiating to lease an adjacent property, its second project in the county. Last year, the Arizona company began capturing sunlight on 400,000 black solar panels in a separate project, converting the abundant sunlight into about 30 megawatts of power.

Hmmmmmmmm...................

 

[skookerasbil]

China’s investment in renewables soars by a third

By Kieran Cooke
Despite a slowdown in its economy and the continued reliance on coal, China is pumping billions of dollars into its renewable energy industry.

LONDON, 30 May, 2015 − China invested more than US$89 billion in renewable energy projects in the country in 2014 – a growth of 31% on the previous year, according to a detailed report on the country’s energy sector.

The soaring increase is revealed in a report by the US government’s Energy Information Administration (EIA). But it adds that fossil fuels − particularly coal − still look set to continue to dominate China’s power sector.

Coal is by far the most polluting fossil fuel, and China is the world’s leading emitter of climate-changing greenhouse gases.

Wind power production went up by nearly 40% in the 2012-13 period. Although there are still big gaps in the transmission infrastructure, the aim is to generate 200 gigawatts (GW) of electricity from wind by 2020.

China has no choice but to go to renewables as fast as possible. They are already on the razors edge of political upheaval because of the pollution that the people face daily. It is literally killing them.

One of those phony statistics........."by 1/3rd" sounds impressive...........until its "compared to what?"!!! I can say my bank account grew by 1/3rd but if there was only $1,000 to begin with, its still a joke. In 2050, China will still be generating 60% of its electricity from coal. Just a fact.

 

[skookerasbil]

According to Reuters........Wall Street is dumping solar faster than I can post up the knobby cucumber photo!!!

Solar is having a great year, except on Wall Street

 

[Old Rocks]

Both articles were from the WSJ.

 

[mamooth]

The charts is a near perfect fit with increase in soot

And the charts show it also fits in perfectly with the popularity of rock n' roll, hence that must be the cause. Correlation is not causation.

If you want your magical soot theory to get any traction, you have to show that the Chinese soot is present on the ice pack. That will be quite at trick, given how most of the ice south of 80N melts each year, dumping any soot to the ocean bottom so it can't accumulate. And that there's no way to get soot produced in the south up to the far north. Winds don't work that way.

There is soot on Greenland, but that's further south, and the soot comes mainly from wildfires, and it's a factor because the snowpack is melting down each year and combining the new soot with previous years' soot, when before the snow piled up each year and hid the previous years' soot.

Now, the Himalayas, that's where the Chinese soot is speeding the glacial melt.

 

[skookerasbil]

A repost is appropriate because of its high level of astute................

We have been printing $$ to a tune of 80 billion per month the past 6 years and what has it resulted in? 2% growth rates. The progressive k00ks need to stop reading Krugman.........hes a mental case. The only way you can do this is to literally tax people at extremely prohibitive rates. Politically, that never sells too well!!! We've learned that over the past 5 years in Germany......expensive electiricty prices piss people off. Therefore.............impossible. Anyway.....the point if moot because China says "Fuck you!!!"..................so what? We eliminate the middle class completely while China burns coal like theres no tomorrow? See pic above of midget at the plate!!


The whole mantra of renewables like solar and wind being cheaper is a TOTAL LIE.............

True costs of solar that the AGW phonies dont want people to know about >>>>>

Articles: The Real Cost of Solar Energy

 

[ScienceRocks]

Skooks sure believes in weird stuff. I am laughing.

 

[skookerasbil]

By the way......want to reiterate for board members who are stopping into this forum lately on a regular basis.....sort of a public service announcement >>

Beware ANY stated statistics posted up by the AGW alarmist contingent. Very frequently, they portray these statistics an a very deceptive manner and do so purposefully. And what one must keep in mind when seeing these statistics is, the question must ALWAYS be asked, "As compared to what?". Often times, when that question is answered, it completely blows up the objective of the poster: to make said number look impressive.

In other words, if something increases by a "third", the important number to know is, what was that number BEFORE the increase of a "third".

Dont fall for bogus statistics often presented by the alarmist fraudsters.

A woman can say she's had her boobs doubled in size via breast augmentation...........but if she was flat to begin with...........



fAiL

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The charts is a near perfect fit with increase in soot

And the charts show it also fits in perfectly with the popularity of rock n' roll, hence that must be the cause. Correlation is not causation.

If you want your magical soot theory to get any traction, you have to show that the Chinese soot is present on the ice pack. That will be quite at trick, given how most of the ice south of 80N melts each year, dumping any soot to the ocean bottom so it can't accumulate. And that there's no way to get soot produced in the south up to the far north. Winds don't work that way.

There is soot on Greenland, but that's further south, and the soot comes mainly from wildfires, and it's a factor because the snowpack is melting down each year and combining the new soot with previous years' soot, when before the snow piled up each year and hid the previous years' soot.

Now, the Himalayas, that's where the Chinese soot is speeding the glacial melt.

If only you were right even once in a great while...if only

I'm on my mobile, but there was an article on this in National Geographic that I previously posted.

Soot is like AGWCult bullshit, it's everywhere

 

[skookerasbil]

By the way......want to reiterate for board members who are stopping into this forum lately on a regular basis.....sort of a public service announcement >>

Beware ANY stated statistics posted up by the AGW alarmist contingent. Very frequently, they portray these statistics an a very deceptive manner and do so purposefully. And what one must keep in mind when seeing these statistics is, the question must ALWAYS be asked, "As compared to what?". Often times, when that question is answered, it completely blows up the objective of the poster: to make said number look impressive.

In other words, if something increases by a "third", the important number to know is, what was that number BEFORE the increase of a "third".

Dont fall for bogus statistics often presented by the alarmist fraudsters.

A woman can say she's had her boobs doubled in size via breast augmentation...........but if she was flat to begin with...........



fAiL

 

[jc456]

What's your point?

First, that you can't read.

Second, that ice levels keep declining due to global warming.

Third, that you have to a complete retard to deny that.

If you need it dumbed down any more than that, you're ought of luck.

Google: scientific method

You're not even in the same universe

LOL!!! You think trained scientist at the noaa, nasa and every science institution on the planet doesn't understand the scientific method!

have you heard about the first Apollo astronauts who died on Apollo 1? Really, are you that naive that you don't think coverups happen in Government? Money will always reign as supreme qualifier to someone's view in government. Once there is a cover up, incriminates for life. Oh and what about the Challenger Shuttle? Yeah, NASA has a quality past. Government cover ups happen all the time. Ask the guy in Russia, how about Benghazi? dude, those are off the top of my head. More research would provide more, but not for the sake of this argument. See, you have nothing to support there isn't a cover up on temperature collection.

Oh, and what about UFO sightings being covered up. Global climate seems like easy pickens since no one is allowed to challenge them.

That shit belongs on the conspiracy board. Stick with reality here.

that is reality s0n, tough to take I know. But if you don't think NASA hasn't lied then you need to do you some reading.

 

[jc456]

By the way......want to reiterate for board members who are stopping into this forum lately on a regular basis.....sort of a public service announcement >>

Beware ANY stated statistics posted up by the AGW alarmist contingent. Very frequently, they portray these statistics an a very deceptive manner and do so purposefully. And what one must keep in mind when seeing these statistics is, the question must ALWAYS be asked, "As compared to what?". Often times, when that question is answered, it completely blows up the objective of the poster: to make said number look impressive.

In other words, if something increases by a "third", the important number to know is, what was that number BEFORE the increase of a "third".

Dont fall for bogus statistics often presented by the alarmist fraudsters.

A woman can say she's had her boobs doubled in size via breast augmentation...........but if she was flat to begin with...........



fAiL

and proudly!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

By the way......want to reiterate for board members who are stopping into this forum lately on a regular basis.....sort of a public service announcement >>

Beware ANY stated statistics posted up by the AGW alarmist contingent. Very frequently, they portray these statistics an a very deceptive manner and do so purposefully. And what one must keep in mind when seeing these statistics is, the question must ALWAYS be asked, "As compared to what?". Often times, when that question is answered, it completely blows up the objective of the poster: to make said number look impressive.

In other words, if something increases by a "third", the important number to know is, what was that number BEFORE the increase of a "third".

Dont fall for bogus statistics often presented by the alarmist fraudsters.

A woman can say she's had her boobs doubled in size via breast augmentation...........but if she was flat to begin with...........



fAiL

and proudly!!!

When somebody actually calls progressives on their phony statistics and puts them into context, they always look pwned!!!

 

[ScienceRocks]

By the way......want to reiterate for board members who are stopping into this forum lately on a regular basis.....sort of a public service announcement >>

Beware ANY stated statistics posted up by the AGW alarmist contingent. Very frequently, they portray these statistics an a very deceptive manner and do so purposefully. And what one must keep in mind when seeing these statistics is, the question must ALWAYS be asked, "As compared to what?". Often times, when that question is answered, it completely blows up the objective of the poster: to make said number look impressive.

In other words, if something increases by a "third", the important number to know is, what was that number BEFORE the increase of a "third".

Dont fall for bogus statistics often presented by the alarmist fraudsters.

A woman can say she's had her boobs doubled in size via breast augmentation...........but if she was flat to begin with...........



fAiL

and proudly!!!

When somebody actually calls progressives on their phony statistics and puts them into context, they always look pwned!!!

If noaa, nasa, usgs, etc are the phony statistics...I can see that there really is a another earth in another universe that I've been transported too. One that is insane.

 

[Old Rocks]

Lordy, lordy, the fruitiest of the loops assures us they know far more than all the scientists at NASA, NOAA, and the USGS. The denialists are a funny bunch.