AOC: There is No Military Solution

[Billo_Really]

Because you support Hamas, and you're a shitstain.

Show me the post where I said that?

 

[Yarddog]

Wrong! The real problem is the 16 year illegal and immoral blockade of Gaza.

That blockade could be negotiated away but it takes two sides willing to negotiate. If the world recognized
that Hamas is purposly making their civilians martyrs and cut off all support to them, and sanctioned Iran seriously maybe, there MIGHT be a chance to get rid of this HAMAS leadership.

 

[Billo_Really]

That blockade could be negotiated away but it takes two sides willing to negotiate. If the world recognized
that Hamas is purposly making their civilians martyrs and cut off all support to them, and sanctioned Iran seriously maybe, there MIGHT be a chance to get rid of this HAMAS leadership.

That is bullshit! The problem is the Israeli right. Get rid of the Netanfuckyou government and there might be a chance for peace?

 

[Yarddog]

That is bullshit! The problem is the Israeli right. Get rid of the Netanfuckyou government and there might be a chance for peace?

How can there be peace when HAMAS clearly rejects peace in their charter? They struck first on OCT 7th and said they will do it again. none of that is bullshit and you know it.

 

[Billo_Really]

How can there be peace when HAMAS clearly rejects peace in their charter? They struck first on OCT 7th and said they will do it again. none of that is bullshit and you know it.

That is a fucking lie!

 

[Yarddog]

That is bullshit! The problem is the Israeli right. Get rid of the Netanfuckyou government and there might be a chance for peace?

Why did the Palestinians fuck up and destabalize Lebanon? try to overthrow Jordan?
The problem is theirs and their 14th century mentality. Its why you have honor killings and forced marriages and subjugation of women with those people. Same mentality. But maybe you just love that patriarchal male dominance that refuses to have any introspection. Same backwards 14th century mentality

 

[Yarddog]

That is a fucking lie!

read their charter its online

 

[Dogmaphobe]

read their charter its online

He would just double down in his support of Hamas if he did.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

great point. I often forget this. Israel was suppossed to have the rest

The Promised Land of Broken Promises

The British government was taken over by the same people who had appeased Hitler, so they appeased the Nazislamis by betraying all their promises to the Jews.

The United Nations was taken over by Third World lovers, and soon, as it is now, it became the headquarters of One World, Third World Globalism.

The United States was soon taken over by WASP anti-semites, who influenced the Israeli government to engage in suicidal appeasement and restricted wars. Our toxic ruling class betrayed Israel as much as they betrayed the Unfortunate Sons they sacrificed in Vietnam.

 

[Billo_Really]

Why did the Palestinians fuck up and destabalize Lebanon? try to overthrow Jordan?
The problem is theirs and their 14th century mentality. Its why you have honor killings and forced marriages and subjugation of women with those people. Same mentality. But maybe you just love that patriarchal male dominance that refuses to have any introspection. Same backwards 14th century mentality

That Is a lie!

 

[Vrenn]

Well, Israel could choose to do nothing. sit there and let hamas hit them again and again until the death toll number reaches 12,000. OR , they can attack which is what they are doing.

Hamas did promise to attack again, and as we can see immediately after the OCT 7 attack, this started to mobilize the Islamic world, and they saw this as a great thing. What would happen if Israel sat there and just took it would be this. All the other radical islamists would smell the blood in the water and then join in until Israel was comepletely destroyed.

The real problem is HAMAS who rejects any diplomacy, so therefore cease fires are only strategic interludes for HAMAS to regroup, re arm and attack first again. We have seen this time after time after time.

Little kids getting killed in missile attacks is horrendous, but Hamas is willfully making them martyrs and then crying about it. Put the blame where it belongs

HAMAS doesn't have any rights. They are a bunch of Terrorists and should be treated as such. I believe that the Gaza Strip needs to be taken over by Israel leaving HAMAS no place to call home.

That being said, the PLO needs to be treated as it was promised in 1967 where the West Bank is ceded to the PLO as a separate country called Palestine. Not following up on this promise helped to create MOST of the Middle Eastern Terrorist groups.

Today, Israel plays the victim way too much. If Israel were to present the 2 state solution the PLO would jump on it. But, of course, those Israeli settlements that are in the West Bank will have to be vacated.

 

[toomuchtime_]

HAMAS doesn't have any rights. They are a bunch of Terrorists and should be treated as such. I believe that the Gaza Strip needs to be taken over by Israel leaving HAMAS no place to call home.

That being said, the PLO needs to be treated as it was promised in 1967 where the West Bank is ceded to the PLO as a separate country called Palestine. Not following up on this promise helped to create MOST of the Middle Eastern Terrorist groups.

Today, Israel plays the victim way too much. If Israel were to present the 2 state solution the PLO would jump on it. But, of course, those Israeli settlements that are in the West Bank will have to be vacated.

No promise was made to the PLO in 1967.

 

[Vrenn]

No promise was made to the PLO in 1967.

It was actually made before that., And that was one of the main reasons for the 6 day war in 1967. But don't let a little history get in the way of your rant.

 

[toomuchtime_]

It was actually made before that., And that was one of the main reasons for the 6 day war in 1967. But don't let a little history get in the way of your rant.

That's not history, but fantasy. The PLO was only formed in 1964 with the initial purpose of destroying Israel and creating an Arab state in all of Palestine, but agreed to only seek a state in the territories after the Europeans proposed allowing it to return to the territories if it gave up its earlier ambitions, but it ended the Oslo negotiations by launching the second intifada in 2000, and because of this, there is now no possibility of a Palestinians state anywhere.

 

[Vrenn]

That's not history, but fantasy. The PLO was only formed in 1964 with the initial purpose of destroying Israel and creating an Arab state in all of Palestine, but agreed to only seek a state in the territories after the Europeans proposed allowing it to return to the territories if it gave up its earlier ambitions, but it ended the Oslo negotiations by launching the second intifada in 2000, and because of this, there is now no possibility of a Palestinians state anywhere.

I remember both the 6 day war in 67 and the war in 73 and it could have been prevented had the country of Palestine had been created in 1948. The promise of creating the new country has been dangled since 1948. And the country of Israel was created in 1948 by the Brits. The idea was to take the West Bank and make it Palestine. In 1948, that land belonged to Jordan and had the majority of the Palestinians.

Then in 1949.

This is what the Arab and Persian Nations wanted. But it was voted down in the newly formed United Nations and the mess continued.

This can be fixed just by turning back the map and adhering to it by all sides. There are only two nations in the Middle East that would not agree to this and that is Syria and Iran. Neither of those are Arab countries who support terrorist organizations that the Arab Countries would rather not have around. Hamas and Hezbolla aren't nations, they are terrorists and should be treated exactly like Hamas, as in, wiped out. They were around under different names during the Ottoman era but the Ottomans had a history of really going at it with them and the Ottomans made it too costly for them to get too powerful.

I will support Israels actions against the Hamas as long as the original idea by the world to create Palistine were to be done. Otherwise, it's just kicking the can down the road. And at what point does the Arab Nations start stationing troops inside the West Bank. Hamas is a symptom, not the disease.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I remember both the 6 day war in 67 and the war in 73 and it could have been prevented had the country of Palestine had been created in 1948. The promise of creating the new country has been dangled since 1948. And the country of Israel was created in 1948 by the Brits. The idea was to take the West Bank and make it Palestine. In 1948, that land belonged to Jordan and had the majority of the Palestinians.

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This is what the Arab and Persian Nations wanted. But it was voted down in the newly formed United Nations and the mess continued.

This can be fixed just by turning back the map and adhering to it by all sides. There are only two nations in the Middle East that would not agree to this and that is Syria and Iran. Neither of those are Arab countries who support terrorist organizations that the Arab Countries would rather not have around. Hamas and Hezbolla aren't nations, they are terrorists and should be treated exactly like Hamas, as in, wiped out. They were around under different names during the Ottoman era but the Ottomans had a history of really going at it with them and the Ottomans made it too costly for them to get too powerful.

I will support Israels actions against the Hamas as long as the original idea by the world to create Palistine were to be done. Otherwise, it's just kicking the can down the road. And at what point does the Arab Nations start stationing troops inside the West Bank. Hamas is a symptom, not the disease.

You are not even close to the truth. The British had been charged by the League of Nations to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine, but the Arabs objected to it, and the Brits decided it would be better for Britain to side with the Arabs rather than the Jews, so they did whatever they could to prevent the Jews from establishing a homeland in Palestine, trying to prevent Jews from immigrating to Palestine and frequently raiding Jewish settlements to search for weapons despite the fact that these settlements were frequently under attack from the Arabs, but most significantly, the Brits took 77% of Palestine and created the Arab state of Jordan from it in two steps; first by designating it as a separate administrative district from which Jews were barred and then turning it into a sovereign state, leaving just 23% of Palestine for the Jews and the Arabs west of the Jordan River to fight over.

The Jews, having been betrayed by the Brits, turned on them and eventually drove them out of Palestine. In 1947, Britain notified the UN it was leaving Palestine, and the UN, itself, decided to leave, so it drew up the Partition resolution, UNGA 181, which proposed two separate but connected states, one Arab and one Jewish. The Jews accepted the UN proposal, which allotted about 12.5% of Palestine for a Jewish state, but the Arabs rejected it, demanding all the land for themselves and threatening to commit a genocide against Jews if they declared statehood. In the words of the Secretary General of the Arab League:

"I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine … You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews.

Azzam's Genocidal Threat

Of the countless threats of violence, made by Arab and Palestinian leaders in the run up to and in the wake of the November 29, 1947 partition resolution, none has resonated more widely than the warning by Abdul Rahman Azzam, the Arab League's first

www.meforum.org

In contrast, in its Declaration of Independence, published on May 14, 1948, the new state of Israel stated:

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

and

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/general/declaration-of-establishment-state-of-israel#:~:text=On%20May%2014%2C%201948%2C%20on,of%20the%20State%20of%20Israel.

However, the Arabs, both within Israel and outside of it immediately launched their war of extermination against the Jews, forty million Arabs against about 500,000 Jews, but were beaten back, and Jordan captured Judea and Samaria, and later annexed them, but only the UK and Pakistan recognized Jordan's annexation of the land.

It is important to recognize that the Nakba the Arabs like to complain about is not the complaint of victims, but the rage of aggressors who tried, in their own words, to "exterminate" the Jews, and failed.

In the 1920's and 1930's, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem tried to start a war of extermination of the Jews, and in 1948, the Arab League announced a war of extermination of the Jews, and in 1964, Egypt created the PLO to wage war and destroy Israel, and today, Hamas has announced its purpose is to destroy Israel and recent polls show that 75% of the so called Palestinians support Hamas in this goal, so once again, the Arabs/Palestinians are not and never have been victims of Israel or the West, but always the aggressors.

Palestinians in Gaza, West Bank strongly support Hamas, October 7 attack

A total of 75% of respondents agreed with the October 7 attack and 74.7% agreed that they support a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea.”

www.jpost.com

 

[Vrenn]

You are not even close to the truth. The British had been charged by the League of Nations to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine, but the Arabs objected to it, and the Brits decided it would be better for Britain to side with the Arabs rather than the Jews, so they did whatever they could to prevent the Jews from establishing a homeland in Palestine, trying to prevent Jews from immigrating to Palestine and frequently raiding Jewish settlements to search for weapons despite the fact that these settlements were frequently under attack from the Arabs, but most significantly, the Brits took 77% of Palestine and created the Arab state of Jordan from it in two steps; first by designating it as a separate administrative district from which Jews were barred and then turning it into a sovereign state, leaving just 23% of Palestine for the Jews and the Arabs west of the Jordan River to fight over.

The Jews, having been betrayed by the Brits, turned on them and eventually drove them out of Palestine. In 1947, Britain notified the UN it was leaving Palestine, and the UN, itself, decided to leave, so it drew up the Partition resolution, UNGA 181, which proposed two separate but connected states, one Arab and one Jewish. The Jews accepted the UN proposal, which allotted about 12.5% of Palestine for a Jewish state, but the Arabs rejected it, demanding all the land for themselves and threatening to commit a genocide against Jews if they declared statehood. In the words of the Secretary General of the Arab League:

"I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine … You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews.

Azzam's Genocidal Threat

Of the countless threats of violence, made by Arab and Palestinian leaders in the run up to and in the wake of the November 29, 1947 partition resolution, none has resonated more widely than the warning by Abdul Rahman Azzam, the Arab League's first

www.meforum.org

In contrast, in its Declaration of Independence, published on May 14, 1948, the new state of Israel stated:

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

and

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/general/declaration-of-establishment-state-of-israel#:~:text=On%20May%2014%2C%201948%2C%20on,of%20the%20State%20of%20Israel.

However, the Arabs, both within Israel and outside of it immediately launched their war of extermination against the Jews, forty million Arabs against about 500,000 Jews, but were beaten back, and Jordan captured Judea and Samaria, and later annexed them, but only the UK and Pakistan recognized Jordan's annexation of the land.

It is important to recognize that the Nakba the Arabs like to complain about is not the complaint of victims, but the rage of aggressors who tried, in their own words, to "exterminate" the Jews, and failed.

In the 1920's and 1930's, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem tried to start a war of extermination of the Jews, and in 1948, the Arab League announced a war of extermination of the Jews, and in 1964, Egypt created the PLO to wage war and destroy Israel, and today, Hamas has announced its purpose is to destroy Israel and recent polls show that 75% of the so called Palestinians support Hamas in this goal, so once again, the Arabs/Palestinians are not and never have been victims of Israel or the West, but always the aggressors.

Palestinians in Gaza, West Bank strongly support Hamas, October 7 attack

A total of 75% of respondents agreed with the October 7 attack and 74.7% agreed that they support a single Palestinian state “from the river to the sea.”

www.jpost.com

I think I saw the movie. Mostly truth but enough lies that it doesn't make it as historic outside of a historical lie.

1948–49: Israel’s War of Independence and the Palestinian Nakba​

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations (UN) voted to partition the British mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (see United Nations Resolution 181). Clashes broke out almost immediately between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, beginning with the Arab ambush of a bus carrying Jewish passengers from Netanya to Jerusalem on November 30. As British troops prepared to withdraw from Palestine, conflict continued to escalate, with both Jewish and Arab forces committing hostile acts. Among the most infamous events was the attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948. The news of a massacre there by Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang forces spread widely and inspired both panic and retaliation. Days later, Arab forces attacked a Jewish convoy headed for Hadassah Hospital, killing 78.

On the eve of the British forces’ May 15, 1948, withdrawal, Israel declared independence. The fighting intensified immediately: Egypt launched an aerial assault on Tel Aviv and, the next day, Arab forces from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon occupied the areas in southern and eastern Palestine not apportioned to the Jews by the UN partition of Palestine and then captured East Jerusalem, including the small Jewish quarter of the Old City. The Israelis, meanwhile, won control of the main road to Jerusalem through the Yehuda Mountains (“Hills of Judaea”) and successfully repulsed repeated Arab attacks. By early 1949 the Israelis had managed to occupy all of the Negev up to the former Egypt-Palestine frontier, except for the Gaza Strip.


Between February and July 1949, as a result of separate armistice agreements between Israel and each of the Arab states, a temporary frontier was fixed between Israel and its neighbors. In Israel, the war is remembered as its War of Independence. In the Arab world, it came to be known as the Nakba (“Catastrophe”) because of the large number of refugees and displaced persons resulting from the war.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I think I saw the movie. Mostly truth but enough lies that it doesn't make it as historic outside of a historical lie.

1948–49: Israel’s War of Independence and the Palestinian Nakba​

On November 29, 1947, the United Nations (UN) voted to partition the British mandate of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state (see United Nations Resolution 181). Clashes broke out almost immediately between Jews and Arabs in Palestine, beginning with the Arab ambush of a bus carrying Jewish passengers from Netanya to Jerusalem on November 30. As British troops prepared to withdraw from Palestine, conflict continued to escalate, with both Jewish and Arab forces committing hostile acts. Among the most infamous events was the attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948. The news of a massacre there by Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang forces spread widely and inspired both panic and retaliation. Days later, Arab forces attacked a Jewish convoy headed for Hadassah Hospital, killing 78.

On the eve of the British forces’ May 15, 1948, withdrawal, Israel declared independence. The fighting intensified immediately: Egypt launched an aerial assault on Tel Aviv and, the next day, Arab forces from Egypt, Transjordan (Jordan), Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon occupied the areas in southern and eastern Palestine not apportioned to the Jews by the UN partition of Palestine and then captured East Jerusalem, including the small Jewish quarter of the Old City. The Israelis, meanwhile, won control of the main road to Jerusalem through the Yehuda Mountains (“Hills of Judaea”) and successfully repulsed repeated Arab attacks. By early 1949 the Israelis had managed to occupy all of the Negev up to the former Egypt-Palestine frontier, except for the Gaza Strip.


Between February and July 1949, as a result of separate armistice agreements between Israel and each of the Arab states, a temporary frontier was fixed between Israel and its neighbors. In Israel, the war is remembered as its War of Independence. In the Arab world, it came to be known as the Nakba (“Catastrophe”) because of the large number of refugees and displaced persons resulting from the war.

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I referenced no movie and told no lies, and nothing you posted contradicted what I said. The simple fact is that since 1920, when the British took over, the Arabs have tried to kill all the Jews in Palestine, from the Grand Mufti's riots in the 1920's and 1930's to his pact with Hitler to jointly kill the Jews in Palestine to the Arab league's threat of a war of extermination in 1947 to Hamas' commitment to destroy Israel today and the overwhelming support Hamas' threat of genocide enjoys among ordinary Palestinians in Gaza and Judea and Samaria.

While the Arabs lament the loss of Israel, when you consider that came as a result of waging a war of extermination in which they intended to kill all the Jews, it is difficult to feel too sorry for them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That's not history, but fanecond intifada in 2000, and because of this, there is now no possibility of a Palestinians state anywhere.

A Dune for the Misbegotten

There's plenty of room in the Sahara for the Paleonasty desert bandits.