Anyone who disputes this .. have lost touch with reality...

[elektra]

How can anyone dispute these facts.

Exxon Valdez carried nearly 1,264,155 barrels in one tanker in one mile.

The Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989, when Exxon Valdez, an oil tanker bound for Long Beach, California struck Prince William Sound's Bligh Reef and spilled 260,000 to 750,000 barrels (41,000 to 119,000 m3) of crude oil. It is considered to be one of the most devastating human-caused environmental disasters. The Valdez spill was the largest ever in U.S. waters until the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill, in terms of volume released. However, Prince William Sound's remote location, accessible only by helicopter, plane, and boat, made government and industry response efforts difficult and severely taxed existing plans for response.
The region is a habitat for salmon, sea otters, seals and seabirds. The oil, originally extracted at the Prudhoe Bay oil field, eventually covered 1,300 miles (2,100 km) of coastline, and 11,000 square miles (28,000 km2) of ocean.
Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A train carried about 40,000 barrels in 73 cars in one mile.

Keystone pipeline will carry over 1,179 miles 830,000 barrels in 24 hours or in one mile: 703 barrels of oil.

One tanker accident puts at risk 1.2 million barrels in the ocean probably worst weather situation.

One train totally derailed puts in one mile 40,000 barrels.

One mile of pipeline having a leak in ALL of the ONE mile will spill 703 barrels.

Now for all you Keystone critics..i.e. people out of touch with reality...
Dispute the above facts...

thank god that oil is so easy to clean, it will not mix with the water so that cleans easy, it does not seep deeply into the ground so we can easily clean the surface.

Bottom line, Oil clean up has never been the environmental disaster that the Political hacks make it out to be.

The alternative, divert more oil, use more oil, to make a solar plant that completely kills the ground below, raises the temperature of the atmosphere, uses an extreme amount of water, which all requires a greater use of the oil people ignorantly believe will not be used now.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Facts and rationality never got in the way of a Liberal or an environmentalist.

Keystone is the hot-button topic du jour. They are having a field day with it and the only way to defeat it is to appeal to emotional irrational fears.

you know, h… i'd say that it's kind of bizarre for the right to not give a flying whatever about our environment.

so maybe before you dismiss everyone who hasn't been sucked in by multi-national corporations, the discussion should at least be had.

i think that's the problem with the right… the totally dismissive way anything that's socially responsible is treated.

You have NO problem with the risk to millions of square miles of ocean from 1 million barrels of OIL floating on the ocean for 4,000 miles BUT
you have a problem with 700 barrels traveling 1,700 miles in a secured pipeline that doesn't move on dry land?

It appears of ALL people who supposedly support our environment anyone supporting shipping 1 million barrels in a tanker are the worst!
Where is YOUR concern about millions of square miles?

If it was only 700 barrels that traveled the pipeline, I might not have a problem with it.

However.....................

When operational, the Keystone pipeline will carry 700,000 barrels PER DAY, which means that in only 2 days, it will carry more oil than a tanker would, and if a leak occurred and it took more than a day or two to find, it could potentially leak more oil than the Exxon Valdez ever thought about, matter of fact, it could be as large as what happened in the Gulf of Mexico.

And.................considering that 200 - 250 miles of that pipeline goes right over the Ogalala aquifer (which provides drinking water and irrigation for the entire center of the country), combined with the fact that tar sands oil SINKS instead of floats, you could end up polluting the water supply for the entire center of the country.

Nope....................the Keystone pipeline is a bad idea, and saps like you selling false information (700 barrels only), makes it even worse.

 

[healthmyths]

you know, h… i'd say that it's kind of bizarre for the right to not give a flying whatever about our environment.

so maybe before you dismiss everyone who hasn't been sucked in by multi-national corporations, the discussion should at least be had.

i think that's the problem with the right… the totally dismissive way anything that's socially responsible is treated.

You have NO problem with the risk to millions of square miles of ocean from 1 million barrels of OIL floating on the ocean for 4,000 miles BUT
you have a problem with 700 barrels traveling 1,700 miles in a secured pipeline that doesn't move on dry land?

It appears of ALL people who supposedly support our environment anyone supporting shipping 1 million barrels in a tanker are the worst!
Where is YOUR concern about millions of square miles?

If it was only 700 barrels that traveled the pipeline, I might not have a problem with it.

However.....................

When operational, the Keystone pipeline will carry 700,000 barrels PER DAY, which means that in only 2 days, it will carry more oil than a tanker would, and if a leak occurred and it took more than a day or two to find, it could potentially leak more oil than the Exxon Valdez ever thought about, matter of fact, it could be as large as what happened in the Gulf of Mexico.

And.................considering that 200 - 250 miles of that pipeline goes right over the Ogalala aquifer (which provides drinking water and irrigation for the entire center of the country), combined with the fact that tar sands oil SINKS instead of floats, you could end up polluting the water supply for the entire center of the country.

Nope....................the Keystone pipeline is a bad idea, and saps like you selling false information (700 barrels only), makes it even worse.

HEY DUMMY!!! HOW MANY MILES is the pipeline??? 1,179!
How many barrels travel in one day the 1,729 miles? 700,000 barrels!
SO HOW in the hell would 700,000 barrels travel one mile? Dumb fk it can't!
The pipe holds in one mile 700 barrels! Divide 700,000 by 1,729 : EQUALS in ONE MILE at most 600 barrels and I'm giving some overage at 700!


Keystone XL Pipeline will be equipped with more automated shut-off valves placed at shorter intervals than most, if not all, other existing crude oil pipelines in the U.S.
These shutoff valves will be placed every 20 miles along the pipeline route, and extra valves will also be placed, where required, to protect water crossings and other areas of higher consequence. They can be closed remotely on either side of the line, isolating a damaged area within minutes of detection.
Puncture Resistance
Our standards for steel are incredibly high. The steel TransCanada is using on the Gulf Coast and Keystone XL pipelines is high-quality carbon steel with special features that reduce corrosion and enhance strength and pliability.
In fact, we are required by the special conditions to ensure that the steel used in the pipeline can withstand impact from a 65-ton excavator with 3.5-inch teeth.
This puncture resistance will provide additional protection from third-party damage, which is one of the most common causes of pipeline failures.

All of the recent leaks were in 40 to 70 year old pipe. This old pipe had lesser monitoring, old decayed coatings, and fewer tests of the fabrication.
The cathodic protection was retrofitted onto the system.
When the leaks are investigated, nearly all of them started at locations where a third party damaged the pipe coating, and didn't notify anyone. "

But of f..king weepy queen hyperbolic ignorant people like you NEVER think!

AGAIN what is the maximum number of barrels that flow in one MILE DUMMY???? 700! THAT's IT!!!

 

[healthmyths]

NOW dummies pay attention!!!
If there IS a leak in the keystone pipeline.. IN ONE mile of on land access nearly immediately with monitors the flow is stopped! When stopped the leak stops. When leak stops how much oil
would have escaped IF at the beginning of one mile the flow stops???
ONLY the OIL in the one mile span where the leak occurred thus 700 barrels at the most!

How f...king complicated is that to understand???

The pipeline moves 700,000 barrels a day over 1,179 miles. EVERY ONE MILE can ONLY hold 700 barrels DUMMIES!!!

 

[healthmyths]

you know, h… i'd say that it's kind of bizarre for the right to not give a flying whatever about our environment.

so maybe before you dismiss everyone who hasn't been sucked in by multi-national corporations, the discussion should at least be had.

i think that's the problem with the right… the totally dismissive way anything that's socially responsible is treated.

You have NO problem with the risk to millions of square miles of ocean from 1 million barrels of OIL floating on the ocean for 4,000 miles BUT
you have a problem with 700 barrels traveling 1,700 miles in a secured pipeline that doesn't move on dry land?

It appears of ALL people who supposedly support our environment anyone supporting shipping 1 million barrels in a tanker are the worst!
Where is YOUR concern about millions of square miles?

If it was only 700 barrels that traveled the pipeline, I might not have a problem with it.

However.....................

When operational, the Keystone pipeline will carry 700,000 barrels PER DAY, which means that in only 2 days, it will carry more oil than a tanker would, and if a leak occurred and it took more than a day or two to find, it could potentially leak more oil than the Exxon Valdez ever thought about, matter of fact, it could be as large as what happened in the Gulf of Mexico.

And.................considering that 200 - 250 miles of that pipeline goes right over the Ogalala aquifer (which provides drinking water and irrigation for the entire center of the country), combined with the fact that tar sands oil SINKS instead of floats, you could end up polluting the water supply for the entire center of the country.

Nope....................the Keystone pipeline is a bad idea, and saps like you selling false information (700 barrels only), makes it even worse.

I need you to respond to my later post... THERE ARE ONLY 700 barrels traveling in ONE MILE AT ONE TIME!
The pipeline is 1,179 miles and it DOES CARRY 700,000 barrels a day BUT is the concept that NOT ALL 700,000 barrels travel in ONE MILE at ONE TIME too difficult to comprehend?
THINK!!!
AGAIN.. If a pipeline is 1,179 miles carries 700,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are in at one time one mile of pipe?
BUT how many barrels of a 1 million barrel tanker travel one mile??
SEE????? Comprehend the concept here?

 

[gnarlylove]

NOW dummies pay attention!!!
If there IS a leak in the keystone pipeline.. IN ONE mile of on land access nearly immediately with monitors the flow is stopped! When stopped the leak stops. When leak stops how much oil
would have escaped IF at the beginning of one mile the flow stops???
ONLY the OIL in the one mile span where the leak occurred thus 700 barrels at the most!

How f...king complicated is that to understand???

The pipeline moves 700,000 barrels a day over 1,179 miles. EVERY ONE MILE can ONLY hold 700 barrels DUMMIES!!!

Yeah and I put my full faith like you do in the oil companies pronouncements on safety and preparedness. LOL

 

[Abraham3]

Every mile holds 700 barrels of oil when the oil is not moving. But the oil does move and it moves rapidly. A leak could easily release more than 700 barrels.

 

[healthmyths]

Every mile holds 700 barrels of oil when the oil is not moving. But the oil does move and it moves rapidly. A leak could easily release more than 700 barrels.

OK... I'll concede a 1% pin prick leak goes undetected for two weeks which is a question I put to a Keystone project manager:
"Will the loss of 5,714 barrels a day through the 1% pinhole go undetected for 2 weeks."
His Answer:
"Ok. First, modern pipelines have more redundant protections on them than an airplane or spacecraft.
Part of that protection is the testing of the fabrication, part of it is protective coatings, part of it is an induced current for cathodic protection, and the monitoring can detect hundreds of barrels that go missing (even smaller if it happens quickly). In other words, the situation you described would be detected within a couple of hours.

BUT NOTE.. I used 5,714 barrels..!

Simple common sense question folks!!! Which is a BIGGER number 1 million barrels or 5,714 barrels???
Seems simple but common sense seems to be missing here folks!
More then this and over such a wide area...
Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989, when Exxon Valdez, an oil tanker bound for Long Beach, California struck Prince William Sound's Bligh Reef and spilled 260,000 to 750,000 barrels (41,000 to 119,000 m3) of crude oil. It is considered to be one of the most devastating human-caused environmental disasters. The Valdez spill was the largest ever in U.S. waters until the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill, in terms of volume released. However, Prince William Sound's remote location, accessible only by helicopter, plane, and boat, made government and industry response efforts difficult and severely taxed existing plans for response.
The region is a habitat for salmon, sea otters, seals and seabirds. The oil, originally extracted at the Prudhoe Bay oil field, eventually covered 1,300 miles (2,100 km) of coastline, and 11,000 square miles (28,000 km2) of ocean.
Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[IanC]

Figure 1.7: Observed globally and annually averaged methane concentrations in parts per billion (ppb) since 1990 compared with projections from the previous IPCC assessments. Estimated observed global annual CH4 concentrations are shown in black (NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory measurements, updated from Dlugokencky et al., 2009 see NOAA ESRL Global Monitoring Division). The shading shows the largest model projected range of global annual CH4 concentrations from 1990–2015 from FAR (Scenario D and business-as-usual), SAR (IS92d and IS92e), TAR (B1p and A1p), and AR4 (B1 and A1B). Uncertainties in the observations are less than 1.5 ppb. Moreover, the publication years of the assessment reports are shown. Source: page 42 of Chapter 1 of the IPCC AR5 second order draft.

is the faulty prediction of massive methane increases yet another reason why the climate models are out-of-touch with reality?

 

[ABikerSailor]

You have NO problem with the risk to millions of square miles of ocean from 1 million barrels of OIL floating on the ocean for 4,000 miles BUT
you have a problem with 700 barrels traveling 1,700 miles in a secured pipeline that doesn't move on dry land?

It appears of ALL people who supposedly support our environment anyone supporting shipping 1 million barrels in a tanker are the worst!
Where is YOUR concern about millions of square miles?

If it was only 700 barrels that traveled the pipeline, I might not have a problem with it.

However.....................

When operational, the Keystone pipeline will carry 700,000 barrels PER DAY, which means that in only 2 days, it will carry more oil than a tanker would, and if a leak occurred and it took more than a day or two to find, it could potentially leak more oil than the Exxon Valdez ever thought about, matter of fact, it could be as large as what happened in the Gulf of Mexico.

And.................considering that 200 - 250 miles of that pipeline goes right over the Ogalala aquifer (which provides drinking water and irrigation for the entire center of the country), combined with the fact that tar sands oil SINKS instead of floats, you could end up polluting the water supply for the entire center of the country.

Nope....................the Keystone pipeline is a bad idea, and saps like you selling false information (700 barrels only), makes it even worse.

I need you to respond to my later post... THERE ARE ONLY 700 barrels traveling in ONE MILE AT ONE TIME!
The pipeline is 1,179 miles and it DOES CARRY 700,000 barrels a day BUT is the concept that NOT ALL 700,000 barrels travel in ONE MILE at ONE TIME too difficult to comprehend?
THINK!!!
AGAIN.. If a pipeline is 1,179 miles carries 700,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are in at one time one mile of pipe?
BUT how many barrels of a 1 million barrel tanker travel one mile??
SEE????? Comprehend the concept here?

Your math and logic are flawed. 700 barrels is not the amount that is in that pipeline, because it does not stay static or stationary, it keeps moving.

You could say that you've only got 2 gallons of water in a 50 ft. garden hose, but if the hose is on and running, it's going to let out a lot more than 2 gallons.

To use your own words......................THINK!!!

And........................if that rupture occurs in the 200 to 250 miles where it crosses over the Ogallala aquifer, the oil is going to sink (tar sands oil sinks where other oil floats), and it will pollute the drinking water for the center of this country.

And you thought the chemical leak in KY was bad.....................

 

[healthmyths]

If it was only 700 barrels that traveled the pipeline, I might not have a problem with it.

However.....................

When operational, the Keystone pipeline will carry 700,000 barrels PER DAY, which means that in only 2 days, it will carry more oil than a tanker would, and if a leak occurred and it took more than a day or two to find, it could potentially leak more oil than the Exxon Valdez ever thought about, matter of fact, it could be as large as what happened in the Gulf of Mexico.

And.................considering that 200 - 250 miles of that pipeline goes right over the Ogalala aquifer (which provides drinking water and irrigation for the entire center of the country), combined with the fact that tar sands oil SINKS instead of floats, you could end up polluting the water supply for the entire center of the country.

Nope....................the Keystone pipeline is a bad idea, and saps like you selling false information (700 barrels only), makes it even worse.

I need you to respond to my later post... THERE ARE ONLY 700 barrels traveling in ONE MILE AT ONE TIME!
The pipeline is 1,179 miles and it DOES CARRY 700,000 barrels a day BUT is the concept that NOT ALL 700,000 barrels travel in ONE MILE at ONE TIME too difficult to comprehend?
THINK!!!
AGAIN.. If a pipeline is 1,179 miles carries 700,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are in at one time one mile of pipe?
BUT how many barrels of a 1 million barrel tanker travel one mile??
SEE????? Comprehend the concept here?

Your math and logic are flawed. 700 barrels is not the amount that is in that pipeline, because it does not stay static or stationary, it keeps moving.

You could say that you've only got 2 gallons of water in a 50 ft. garden hose, but if the hose is on and running, it's going to let out a lot more than 2 gallons.

To use your own words......................THINK!!!

And........................if that rupture occurs in the 200 to 250 miles where it crosses over the Ogallala aquifer, the oil is going to sink (tar sands oil sinks where other oil floats), and it will pollute the drinking water for the center of this country.

And you thought the chemical leak in KY was bad.....................

OK 2 gallons in a 50 foot garden hose means at any one TIME in one foot there is .04 of a gallon of water !
NOT 2 gallons. Because a 2 foot hose or a 1,179 mile pipeline can ONLY on 4/10ths of a gallon in one foot and 700 barrels at one time in one MILE!
PHYSICALLY impossible for 1 million barrels to be in ONE mile of PIPE at an given moment!

AGAIN try this OUT for SIZE... Take a full cup of water. ONE cup. then drink half of the cup. How much water is IN the remaining half of the cup?
1/2 of a cup. How much is in 1/4th of a cup.. 1/4th cup of water..
AGAIN how complicated this shows what total lack of common sense people like you have!
1 million barrels of OIL will not fit in one mile of PIPELINE AT ONE TIME do you understand???
1 million barrels of OIL CAN fit in a 1 million barrel tanker traveling one mile or 1,000 miles it is the same amount 1 million barrels.

BUT how many times do you have to be explained.
IF YOU have a one mile pipe of a 1,179 mile pipeline that carries in one day 800,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are one mile of PIPE at ONE TIME?
Less then 700 barrels. It is a simple law of physics.

 

[edthecynic]

I need you to respond to my later post... THERE ARE ONLY 700 barrels traveling in ONE MILE AT ONE TIME!
The pipeline is 1,179 miles and it DOES CARRY 700,000 barrels a day BUT is the concept that NOT ALL 700,000 barrels travel in ONE MILE at ONE TIME too difficult to comprehend?
THINK!!!
AGAIN.. If a pipeline is 1,179 miles carries 700,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are in at one time one mile of pipe?
BUT how many barrels of a 1 million barrel tanker travel one mile??
SEE????? Comprehend the concept here?

Your math and logic are flawed. 700 barrels is not the amount that is in that pipeline, because it does not stay static or stationary, it keeps moving.

You could say that you've only got 2 gallons of water in a 50 ft. garden hose, but if the hose is on and running, it's going to let out a lot more than 2 gallons.

To use your own words......................THINK!!!

And........................if that rupture occurs in the 200 to 250 miles where it crosses over the Ogallala aquifer, the oil is going to sink (tar sands oil sinks where other oil floats), and it will pollute the drinking water for the center of this country.

And you thought the chemical leak in KY was bad.....................

OK 2 gallons in a 50 foot garden hose means at any one TIME in one foot there is .04 of a gallon of water !
NOT 2 gallons. Because a 2 foot hose or a 1,179 mile pipeline can ONLY on 4/10ths of a gallon in one foot and 700 barrels at one time in one MILE!
PHYSICALLY impossible for 1 million barrels to be in ONE mile of PIPE at an given moment!

AGAIN try this OUT for SIZE... Take a full cup of water. ONE cup. then drink half of the cup. How much water is IN the remaining half of the cup?
1/2 of a cup. How much is in 1/4th of a cup.. 1/4th cup of water..
AGAIN how complicated this shows what total lack of common sense people like you have!
1 million barrels of OIL will not fit in one mile of PIPELINE AT ONE TIME do you understand???
1 million barrels of OIL CAN fit in a 1 million barrel tanker traveling one mile or 1,000 miles it is the same amount 1 million barrels.

BUT how many times do you have to be explained.
IF YOU have a one mile pipe of a 1,179 mile pipeline that carries in one day 800,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are one mile of PIPE at ONE TIME?
Less then 700 barrels. It is a simple law of physics.

Will leak per MINUTE from a rupture. Answer: 556 barrels.

 

[healthmyths]

Your math and logic are flawed. 700 barrels is not the amount that is in that pipeline, because it does not stay static or stationary, it keeps moving.

You could say that you've only got 2 gallons of water in a 50 ft. garden hose, but if the hose is on and running, it's going to let out a lot more than 2 gallons.

To use your own words......................THINK!!!

And........................if that rupture occurs in the 200 to 250 miles where it crosses over the Ogallala aquifer, the oil is going to sink (tar sands oil sinks where other oil floats), and it will pollute the drinking water for the center of this country.

And you thought the chemical leak in KY was bad.....................

OK 2 gallons in a 50 foot garden hose means at any one TIME in one foot there is .04 of a gallon of water !
NOT 2 gallons. Because a 2 foot hose or a 1,179 mile pipeline can ONLY on 4/10ths of a gallon in one foot and 700 barrels at one time in one MILE!
PHYSICALLY impossible for 1 million barrels to be in ONE mile of PIPE at an given moment!

AGAIN try this OUT for SIZE... Take a full cup of water. ONE cup. then drink half of the cup. How much water is IN the remaining half of the cup?
1/2 of a cup. How much is in 1/4th of a cup.. 1/4th cup of water..
AGAIN how complicated this shows what total lack of common sense people like you have!
1 million barrels of OIL will not fit in one mile of PIPELINE AT ONE TIME do you understand???
1 million barrels of OIL CAN fit in a 1 million barrel tanker traveling one mile or 1,000 miles it is the same amount 1 million barrels.

BUT how many times do you have to be explained.
IF YOU have a one mile pipe of a 1,179 mile pipeline that carries in one day 800,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are one mile of PIPE at ONE TIME?
Less then 700 barrels. It is a simple law of physics.

Will leak per MINUTE from a rupture. Answer: 556 barrels.

Where are your calculations to prove this or are you just guessing!

Also What size is the rupture?

And how does 700 barrels in one mile of pipe equal in one hour 33,360 barrels?

Now here for example is a leak statistic..

That may not sound like much, but even a 1% leak from the Keystone XL would gush as many as 8,300 barrels of oil per day and cause a spill three times the size of the Michigan disaster within a week.
You Make the Call: The Keystone XL Pipeline Oil & Energy Daily | Global Resource Chase

WOW 8,300 barrels per day.. or 58,000 barrels in one week!
What a DISASTER!
EXCEPT... that is a GUESS!
The above assumption is based on the entire 1,739 miles have at some point a leak that goes UNDETECTED for a WEEK!!!!
Right !!!

 

[gnarlylove]

"The original Keystone pipeline has been in operation less than one year, and its owner TransCanada predicts no more than one spill every seven years.

Instead of one spill every seven years, oil has spilled 11 times in the last year."

More available here
Keystone pipeline spilled tar-sands oil 11 times in past year. Do we really want to supersize it? | Grist

 

[edthecynic]

OK 2 gallons in a 50 foot garden hose means at any one TIME in one foot there is .04 of a gallon of water !
NOT 2 gallons. Because a 2 foot hose or a 1,179 mile pipeline can ONLY on 4/10ths of a gallon in one foot and 700 barrels at one time in one MILE!
PHYSICALLY impossible for 1 million barrels to be in ONE mile of PIPE at an given moment!

AGAIN try this OUT for SIZE... Take a full cup of water. ONE cup. then drink half of the cup. How much water is IN the remaining half of the cup?
1/2 of a cup. How much is in 1/4th of a cup.. 1/4th cup of water..
AGAIN how complicated this shows what total lack of common sense people like you have!
1 million barrels of OIL will not fit in one mile of PIPELINE AT ONE TIME do you understand???
1 million barrels of OIL CAN fit in a 1 million barrel tanker traveling one mile or 1,000 miles it is the same amount 1 million barrels.

BUT how many times do you have to be explained.
IF YOU have a one mile pipe of a 1,179 mile pipeline that carries in one day 800,000 barrels HOW MANY BARRELS are one mile of PIPE at ONE TIME?
Less then 700 barrels. It is a simple law of physics.

Will leak per MINUTE from a rupture. Answer: 556 barrels.

Where are your calculations to prove this or are you just guessing!

Also What size is the rupture?

And how does 700 barrels in one mile of pipe equal in one hour 33,360 barrels?

Now here for example is a leak statistic..

That may not sound like much, but even a 1% leak from the Keystone XL would gush as many as 8,300 barrels of oil per day and cause a spill three times the size of the Michigan disaster within a week.
You Make the Call: The Keystone XL Pipeline Oil & Energy Daily | Global Resource Chase

WOW 8,300 barrels per day.. or 58,000 barrels in one week!
What a DISASTER!
EXCEPT... that is a GUESS!
The above assumption is based on the entire 1,739 miles have at some point a leak that goes UNDETECTED for a WEEK!!!!
Right !!!

Geez, it's YOUR own numbers! I highlighted them in black before, this time in RED, do the math. 800,000÷24÷60=556 barrels per minute.

 

[Abraham3]

Delta4Embassy had the right idea. The primary objection to the Keystone Pipeline XL is that it is enabler of a technology/resource that we should be running from as fast as we can. The benefit to the American people for that line small and short-lived. A small number of American laborers will get a job for a year or so while the pipeline is built. When it's complete, two (?) refineries down on the Gulf Coast will get to process it and then sell the resulting products overseas. It will not create any significant number of jobs long term. It will have zero impact on the US fuel situation. Any spills will be ours to suffer through. The large carbon footprint of this fuel will be unpleasantly experienced by everyone on Earth for centuries.

If you want to look rationally at spill risks, I'd suggest find the ratio of spilled volume to delivered volume over some fixed time. If you want to add some weighting to take into account whether the spill takes place on land or at sea, whether on bedrock or fertile soil; empty open ocean or a luxuriant coral reef, feel free. But determining any accurate value for that weighting will not be simple. One last tip: when that pipeline leaks, ruptures or bursts, you cannot assume that the release will be detected, that flow will instantly stop. The oil will be moving through that pipe at a good clip - likely close to 10 meters/second. Calculating the volume of a mile of pipe is not that meaningful.

 

[healthmyths]

Will leak per MINUTE from a rupture. Answer: 556 barrels.

Where are your calculations to prove this or are you just guessing!

Also What size is the rupture?

And how does 700 barrels in one mile of pipe equal in one hour 33,360 barrels?

Now here for example is a leak statistic..

That may not sound like much, but even a 1% leak from the Keystone XL would gush as many as 8,300 barrels of oil per day and cause a spill three times the size of the Michigan disaster within a week.
You Make the Call: The Keystone XL Pipeline Oil & Energy Daily | Global Resource Chase

WOW 8,300 barrels per day.. or 58,000 barrels in one week!
What a DISASTER!
EXCEPT... that is a GUESS!
The above assumption is based on the entire 1,739 miles have at some point a leak that goes UNDETECTED for a WEEK!!!!
Right !!!

Geez, it's YOUR own numbers! I highlighted them in black before, this time in RED, do the math. 800,000÷24÷60=556 barrels per minute.

You are right. That is correct. 556 barrels a minute flowing through the pipe line.


Now tell me how such a leak would go UNDETECTED within a WEEK after reading the below...

I unlike you did a little more research evidently as you assume it will go for a week... your leak of undetermined size leaking 8,300 barrels per day for 7 days.

From the below report.. to have a 8,300 barrel leak would require a 7 inch diameter hole going undetected for 24 hours.

I don't think a one week leak from a 7 inch hole would go undetected.

As the report states a leak as small as 0.04% of the flow is detected in 24 hours.
With Keystone that is a loss of 320 barrels.. far different from your assumption... but of course a 7 inch diameter hole IS Possible but to go undetected for more then a day...
highly unlikely!

This is part of a report for the The Cross Cascade Pipeline Project is a 231-mile underground pipeline.
The report also calculates the maximum leak volume that can go undetected. This calculation is a function of time: various leak detection systems that are more sensitive need a
longer time frame to operate. In the short-term, Olympic’s leak detection system cannot detect a spill smaller than 3,150 gallons per hour. Over a 24 hour period, Olympic’s leak detection system might be able to detect leaks as small as 0.4 percent of flow but even this results in more than 30,000 gallons lost each day without detection. Over a period of a month or more, Olympic’s leak detection capabilities might be as good as 0.2 percent of flow. But that still means that the amount of undetected for a month could be as high as 453,600 gallons. The annual undetected leak could exceed 2 million gallons.
Olympic is not utilizing the best available leak detection systems. Systems with far greater sensitivity are available. For instance, hydrocarbon sensing cables can detect virtually
the first gallon of product which leaks from a pipeline and detect it within a matter of minutes or hours at most.

Calculations of the leak rates from various hole sizes are presented.
For instance, it is calculated that a one inch hole would produce a leak of more than 48,000 gallons per hour.

A hole of only 0.01 inches would produce a leak of almost five gallons per hour.

For more specific formulae regarding spills..

The Mastandrea/EPA formula for calculating the frequency of spills is:
Fstc = Fst x CFf = Fst x (CFa x CFd x CDss x CFl x CFu) 10-3 SPILL/MILE/YEAR
where: Fstc = Spill frequency of CCP corrected for its design parameters and use
Fst = Historical reference pipeline spill frequency for average spill size
is 1.3 x 10-3 spills/mile/year
CFa = Spill frequency correction factor for age
CFd = Spill frequency correction factor for diameter
CFss =Spill frequency correction factor for spill size less than 2,100 gal
CFu =Spill frequency correction factor for length
CDl = Spill frequency correction factor for use

The formula for calculating the volume of spills is:
Vstc = Vst x CFv = Vst x (CFa x CFd x CFl x CFu) (GALLONS/MILE-YEAR)
where: Vstc =Spill volume of CCP corrected for its design parameters and use
Vst =Historical reference pipeline spill volume for average spill volume
is 1.3 barrels/mile/year or 55 gallons/mile/year
CFa = Volume correction factor for age
CFd =Volume correction factor for diameter
CFl =Volume correction factor for use


http://www.efsec.wa.gov/oplarchive/oplpft/Cca/jrm-2.pdf

 

[healthmyths]

Some summary seems necessary here as the thread premise is " is it safer to put a 1 million barrel tanker traveling one mile on the open ocean then 700 barrels per mile in a dry ground pipeline".
I've proven that 1 million barrel tanker has more oil at risk..(i.e. 1 million barrels traveling one mile on the ocean) and a greater chance of having an accident and spilling 1 million barrels over 11,000 square miles.. then a pipeline carrying at most in one mile 700 barrels over dry land including the Ogallala Aquifer. Which by the way most of you Keystone critics seem unaware that 20,000 miles of pipeline cross the Ogallala Aquifer NOW!
And most of you Keystone critics don't seem to pay attention to James Goeke an expert i.e. HYDROLOGIST who LIVES in the Ogallala Aquifer.

Mr. Goeke said...“A lot of people in the debate about the pipeline talk about how leakage would foul the water and ruin the entire water supply in the state of Nebraska and that’s just a false,” he said.

His explanation is simple. Seventy-five to 80 percent of the aquifer lies west of the proposed pipeline route.

So again.. my premise is it is safer and the a smaller area of risk for 700 barrels traveling in a mile of pipe then 1 million barrels traveling one mile putting at risk 11,000 sq. miles of ocean!