Anyone see Huntsman on Morning Joe? Did you see what he's for?

[sfcalifornia]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

oooo gunpoint...... how dramatic......

Actually, the fine is about $695 per person per year or 2% of income, whichever is greater. The money is used to offset the costs of uninsured mooching services from hospitals for free, services which used to paid for by taxpayers. Which I why I can't understand why conservatives hate the penalty so much. They're always bitching about poor people not paying taxes. You'd think conservatives would be dancing with glee at the thought of poor people paying money that is essentially a tax.

 

[g5000]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

oooo gunpoint...... how dramatic......

Actually, the fine is about $695 per person per year or 2% of income, whichever is greater. The money is used to offset the costs of uninsured mooching services from hospitals for free, services which used to paid for by taxpayers. Which I why I can't understand why conservatives hate the penalty so much. They're always bitching about poor people not paying taxes. You'd think conservatives would be dancing with glee at the thought of poor people paying money that is essentially a tax.

Poor people are exempt from the penalty, fool. Anyone making less than something like 300 percent above poverty level is.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The Heritage Foundation who wanted the mandate, is radical? Or only Obama?

 

[g5000]

Some people can be exempted from the insurance requirement, called an individual mandate, because of financial hardship or religious beliefs or if they are American Indians, for example.

You might be eligible for government subsidies to help you pay for private insurance that would be sold in the new state-based insurance marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin operation in 2014.

Premium subsidies will be available for individuals and families with incomes between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty level, or $14,404 to $43,320 for individuals and $29,326 to $88,200 for a family of four.

The subsidies will be on a sliding scale. For example, a family of four earning 150 percent of the poverty level, or $33,075 a year, will have to pay 4 percent of its income, or $1,323, on premiums. A family with income of 400 percent of the poverty level will have to pay 9.5 percent, or $8,379.

In addition, if your income is below 400 percent of the poverty level, your out-of-pocket health expenses will be limited.

Consumers Guide To Health Reform - Kaiser Health News

 

[sfcalifornia]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

oooo gunpoint...... how dramatic......

Actually, the fine is about $695 per person per year or 2% of income, whichever is greater. The money is used to offset the costs of uninsured mooching services from hospitals for free, services which used to paid for by taxpayers. Which I why I can't understand why conservatives hate the penalty so much. They're always bitching about poor people not paying taxes. You'd think conservatives would be dancing with glee at the thought of poor people paying money that is essentially a tax.

Poor people are exempt from the penalty, fool. Anyone making less than something like 300 percent above poverty level is.

No, anyone making less than income tax filing threshholds is exempt. The 300% above poverty level is the level of maximum penalty.

Less than income tax filing threshholds means they basically don't have a pot to piss in.

 

[sfcalifornia]

Some people can be exempted from the insurance requirement, called an individual mandate, because of financial hardship or religious beliefs or if they are American Indians, for example.

You might be eligible for government subsidies to help you pay for private insurance that would be sold in the new state-based insurance marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin operation in 2014.

Premium subsidies will be available for individuals and families with incomes between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty level, or $14,404 to $43,320 for individuals and $29,326 to $88,200 for a family of four.

The subsidies will be on a sliding scale. For example, a family of four earning 150 percent of the poverty level, or $33,075 a year, will have to pay 4 percent of its income, or $1,323, on premiums. A family with income of 400 percent of the poverty level will have to pay 9.5 percent, or $8,379.

In addition, if your income is below 400 percent of the poverty level, your out-of-pocket health expenses will be limited.

Consumers Guide To Health Reform - Kaiser Health News

A family of four living off 50,000 gross income? Paying $1323 a year? Sounds like cause for conservative celebration. What's the problem with that? It's not enough?

A family with income of 400 percent of the poverty level probably has health insurance to begin with through work considering their gross income would be $132,000/yr, so the big scary number of $8379 is a moot point. Besides, a family making $132,000 year can afford a private health insurance policy.

 

[HUGGY]

GUNPOINT?

jesus Im sick of the fucking non stop lies

Then stop lying. Simple.

Fuck off, skank.

Are you implying CG has a skank stamp on her ass?

I doubt it...maybe one of those temporary ones that she can wash off when Mr Perfect finally shows up.

 

[JoeB131]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

Now, let me preface this by saying that I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate...and not just because it is a republican idea...although that doesn't help. (Did you know that frothy Santorum supported an individual mandate too?)

Santorum and Watkins would require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for employee benefits. ​

So that makes Newt, Romney and Santorum that all supported the individual mandate...until the black guy implemented it. Funny that, eh?

Personally, I would much prefer Medicare for all than the individual mandate. There should at least be a public option available for those being required to purchase health care.

Do you really think using "frothy" hurts Santorum more than it reminds us why gay men creep even those of us who are reasonably opened minded out?

Anyway, the problem with those earlier attempts, including Romney, is that they were alternatives to a single payer Death Panel system like the European Socialists have. So the lesser of two evils. But it's still evil.

The problem with an individual mandate is that it doesn't address the real problem. The problem is not the uninsured. They don't need insurance and don't really want it. They are mostly, young, health and out of the net for a short time.

Nope the problem is for those of us who do need it, guys like myself who are older and require a bit more medical attention, the costs are spiralling out of control. ANd ObamaCare does nothing to really address that. It just spreads the costs around to those who really don't need to be paying into it.

 

[francoHFW]

Actually there are cost controls like the 15% limit on non-medical spening, guidelines for care to cut malpractice, and exchanges and transparency, $10 billion dollars for low cost clinics etc etc etc. AND MUCH MORE TO COME. Everyone but lying bought off Pubs say it will save money, not to mention 45k lives a year.

 

[Rozman]

I am watching John Huntsman on Morning Joe in his "one of the people" costumes consisting of knee faded jeans, and a black leather blazer, but with perfectly coiffed hair.

When asked about Romney's ties with Bain and all the jobs destroyed or sent to China, he said he didn't want to comment because then people will start looking at his company and what he's done.

Now this is where is get's hilarious. As he was saying how he endorsed the Ryan Plan, across the bottom of the screen it said that healthcare cost the country 2.6 trillion last year, $8,040.00 for every person in the US.

The Ryan Plan would end Medicare by turning it into a "voucher program".

I want Republicans to explain how these guys are in it to protect the rich and how can they use that and, "doing nothing for the average American" as one of their best selling points? The majority of Republicans are in that Middle Class, or lower. Why are they fighting against their own self interests? Do they truly want their lives to be worse? Or do they just hate the black guy so much, they are willing to see their families suffer to get him out of office. 2.6 trillion and Republicans want LESS healthcare?

I wish they could explain what Obama has done that so radical.

I wish they could explain what Obama has done that so radical

Maybe forcing Americans to buy something for starters...

Let's see how the Supreme Court feels about that!

 

[Avatar4321]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

GUNPOINT?

jesus Im sick of the fucking non stop lies

Exactly how do you think the government enforces laws? by asking people pretty please?

 

[asterism]

GUNPOINT?

jesus Im sick of the fucking non stop lies

What is your issue with the word gunpoint being used in collecting taxes?

It's histerical and ridiculous.

It's true. All taxes are forced.

 

[Avatar4321]

GUNPOINT?

jesus Im sick of the fucking non stop lies

Then my best advice to you is to stop posting......

your signature line?

The answer?

The same reason those with small penises always talk about the giant size of their manhood

Men actually do that?

 

[Avatar4321]

Only 6% of rdean's posts are truthful.

I highly doubt his stats for being truthful are that high.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I am watching John Huntsman on Morning Joe in his "one of the people" costumes consisting of knee faded jeans, and a black leather blazer, but with perfectly coiffed hair.

When asked about Romney's ties with Bain and all the jobs destroyed or sent to China, he said he didn't want to comment because then people will start looking at his company and what he's done.

Now this is where is get's hilarious. As he was saying how he endorsed the Ryan Plan, across the bottom of the screen it said that healthcare cost the country 2.6 trillion last year, $8,040.00 for every person in the US.

The Ryan Plan would end Medicare by turning it into a "voucher program".

I want Republicans to explain how these guys are in it to protect the rich and how can they use that and, "doing nothing for the average American" as one of their best selling points? The majority of Republicans are in that Middle Class, or lower. Why are they fighting against their own self interests? Do they truly want their lives to be worse? Or do they just hate the black guy so much, they are willing to see their families suffer to get him out of office. 2.6 trillion and Republicans want LESS healthcare?

I wish they could explain what Obama has done that so radical.

First, Huntsman has no shot....Second, this is a silly proposal.
Obama has done so much damage with his Obamacare, the destruction of several thousand jobs along the Gulf Coast, his total lack of understanding of the US economy. His idea that government can spend it's way out of a recession, etc.
Obama's idea if the US is a socialist utopia. To keep the spoils for the wealthy liberal elite and leave the rest of us with the scraps.
THAT is why middle class America is for the most part conservative. Difference is while you people hate the wealthy, we do not.
Social Security and Medicare are self destructive programs and need to be reinvented.

 

[Avatar4321]

I wish they could explain what Obama has done that so radical.

How about making a recess appointment while the Senate is in session?
Or as has been mentioned earlier, forcing people to purchase health insurance?
Or appointing communist revolutionaries to high levels of the administration?
Or signed a bill that allows him to seize and detain American citizens indefinitely?
Or signed a statute that places prohibitions on people growing food on their own property?
Or sending our troops into Battle without consent of Congress despite the laws requirements to get Congressional approval within the mandated time period?
Or supporting bills that would cause our energy prices to "necessarily skyrocket"?

Those are a few i thought of off the top of my head. Im sure if I did some in depth research I could find alot more. After all, How on earth can a man who's stated desire is to "Fundamentally transform" our nation, and who is married to a woman who wants to change our history, not be radical?

 

[JoeB131]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

GUNPOINT?

jesus Im sick of the fucking non stop lies

How is that a "lie".

If you have a mandate, you have a requirement to buy something.

Which has to be enforced by color of law.

Which carries guns.

What are you really going to do to a guy who says, "FUck you, Obama, I'm not buying insurance, and if I get sick, I'm showing up at an emergency room and you have to treat me!"

 

[francoHFW]

Fine him $700 and bill him...

 

[g5000]

Some people can be exempted from the insurance requirement, called an individual mandate, because of financial hardship or religious beliefs or if they are American Indians, for example.

You might be eligible for government subsidies to help you pay for private insurance that would be sold in the new state-based insurance marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin operation in 2014.

Premium subsidies will be available for individuals and families with incomes between 133 percent and 400 percent of the poverty level, or $14,404 to $43,320 for individuals and $29,326 to $88,200 for a family of four.

The subsidies will be on a sliding scale. For example, a family of four earning 150 percent of the poverty level, or $33,075 a year, will have to pay 4 percent of its income, or $1,323, on premiums. A family with income of 400 percent of the poverty level will have to pay 9.5 percent, or $8,379.

In addition, if your income is below 400 percent of the poverty level, your out-of-pocket health expenses will be limited.

Consumers Guide To Health Reform - Kaiser Health News

A family of four living off 50,000 gross income? Paying $1323 a year? Sounds like cause for conservative celebration. What's the problem with that? It's not enough?

Where do you think the rest of the money for their insurance comes from, fairies?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Forcing people to buy a product at gunpoint isn't radical?

GUNPOINT?

jesus Im sick of the fucking non stop lies

Government does everything at gunpoint, even handing out checks.