Another Epic Fail for Climate Science

[SSDD]

I still fail to see where you have corrected the OP's study which concluded that warming would take place at a greater rate than previously assumed. What fundamental mistake did you find had been made by Daniel R. Feldman, Earth Sciences Division, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, William D. Collins, Department of Earth and Planetary Science, University of California, Berkeley, Robert Pincus, Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, University of Colorado Boulder, Xianglei Huang and Xiuhong Chen both of Department of Atmospheric, Oceanic, and Space Sciences, University of Michigan (not to mention their PNAS reviewers)? That they were unfamiliar with Kirchoff's Law? Is that correct?

Because, for the 3rd time doofus, if the rate of emissivity is lower then the rate of absorptivity is lower....the asshat doing the paper is still assuming that the rate of absorptivity has not changed from the 100% that the models claim....if absorptivity is lower, how does lower emissivity equal warming?

 

[SSDD]

Sorry, hairball, but you alas, are the one who is confused....The issue here is absorption, not reflectivity.

Reflectivity is really the only issue. If the far IR isn't reflected, it enters the ocean. If it enters the ocean, it is absorbed, almost immediately.

Absorption and emission are related....reflectivity and penetrability are related...but the two sets of relatives really don't have anything to do with each other in the context of the topic...

A glimmer of hope! After much painstaking effort on my part, you've absorbed that much of my teaching. So, let's keep going ...

It really doesn't matter if IR can penetrate a substance if the molecules of that substance are unable to absorb the wavelength...

And here you wander off into more of your famous magical mystery physics. If the IR that penetrates the ocean isn't absorbed, where does it go? Conservation of energy, you're violating it. You've waved your hands and declared that the far IR which penetrated into the ocean simply disappeared without a trace.

Back in the real world, if the far IR penetrates into the ocean, then it all gets absorbed by the ocean. It must be absorbed, because of conservation of energy. Absorptivity only defines how deep it goes before it gets absorbed.

According to the science dictionary...absorptivity is a measure of the ability of a material to absorb radiation....

Incomplete. All matter eventually absorbs all radiation traveling through it, given enough distance and density. Absorptivity specifies the decadal attenuation factor for a given distance and molar density. In contrast, reflectivity is a dimensionless fraction

penetrating and absorbing are two entirely different things....sea water is a poor absorber of far IR...the very wavelength that CO2 primarily emits...

Again, totally wrong. Water has a reflectivity of zero in the far IR. All of the far IR falling on seawater penetrates into it. Therefore, all of the far IR falling on seawater is absorbed.

Let's do the math concerning how deep it goes before being absorbed.

Absorptivity of water at the 10 micron wavelength is about 4x10^3 /m /molar density. Molar density of water at normal density is 1000/18 = 55/liter. So, absorptivity is 2.2x10^5 /m. That is, it takes a path length of 22 microns in water to absorb 90% of a 10 micron wavelength.

This is all basic physics that has been know for damn near forever. Quit trying to revise it.

It really wouldn't matter if the far IR could penetrate further than the 10 microns that it does, sea water is a poor absorber of the wavelength even if it could penetrate 10 miles.

Again, that's lunatic babbling on your part, being that it so openly and proudly violates conservation of energy.

Again, absorptivity and emissivity are different things from reflectivity and penetrability. A poor emitter, which sea water is, is also a poor absorber...by the way,

"Poor absorber" is relative. It just means "path length of 22 microns" instead of "path length of 22 picometers."

your chart didn't specify that it was relating to sea water, which is what the topic is about...and it didn't go into the far IR wavelengths...also what the topic is about...you have missed the mark entirely.

You're flailing blindly now. Water absorbs 100% in the far IR. You come across as a delusional cult kook for even trying to pretend otherwise.

If your cult demands that you regularly humiliate yourself in this manner by pretending to believe such stupidity, do you really want to be associated with it?

In short hairball...you have yet to show any evidence to support your claim of reflectivity....your chart is not for sea water and it does not go into the far IR spectrum...fail on your part.

 

[mamooth]

Fine. Here's a reflectance plot for water in the far IR, from the NASA ASTER spectral library. At 14 microns, reflectivity is 3.6%. Your Hockey Schtick conspiracy go boom.

Search mdash Spectral Library

So, what new contortions will you go into to deflect from just how badly you've pooched the basic science? Whatever you do, I'm sure it will be amusing. Perhaps you'll tell us that reflectance magically jumps to 100% at 15 microns. if you do make that claim, you might want to, you know, back it up. But only if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[jc456]

Fine. Here's a reflectance plot for water in the far IR, from the NASA ASTER spectral library. At 14 microns, reflectivity is 3.6%. Your Hockey Schtick conspiracy go boom.

Search mdash Spectral Library

So, what new contortions will you go into to deflect from just how badly you've pooched the basic science? Whatever you do, I'm sure it will be amusing. Perhaps you'll tell us that reflectance magically jumps to 100% at 15 microns. if you do make that claim, you might want to, you know, back it up. But only if you want to be taken seriously.

yet that isn't the topic. See it is absorption vs emissivity. It would help if you understood the topic.

 

[mamooth]

jc, the grownups are trying to talk, so run along back to the kiddie table. Being you're so 'effin stupid, any actual science discussion is way over your head.

 

[skookerasbil]

JC.....remember when we went to school and the jokes about the geeky/social oddball book-smart types??!! That's what we have to deal with in here!!! The ones who stood on the fringe of the dance floor with their thumbs up their asses for 4 hours? They had to find a "cause" to matter in life. They found AGW.

 

[SSDD]

Fine. Here's a reflectance plot for water in the far IR, from the NASA ASTER spectral library. At 14 microns, reflectivity is 3.6%. Your Hockey Schtick conspiracy go boom.

Search mdash Spectral Library

So, what new contortions will you go into to deflect from just how badly you've pooched the basic science? Whatever you do, I'm sure it will be amusing. Perhaps you'll tell us that reflectance magically jumps to 100% at 15 microns. if you do make that claim, you might want to, you know, back it up. But only if you want to be taken seriously.

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

 

[jc456]

jc, the grownups are trying to talk, so run along back to the kiddie table. Being you're so 'effin stupid, any actual science discussion is way over your head.

Wow, you don't understand science at all. I was giving you credit. Then you post reflectivity in an absorption/ emissivity thread. knock knock, do you know where you are?

 

[jc456]

Off topic, but I have a question for the warmer k00ks, do you agree that the earth was once ice free? Just asking to see where you all are at because of the sea level stuff.

 

[mamooth]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

 

[SSDD]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

You never did say whether infrared pictures of the sunlit side of the Earth were possible.
Why are you afraid to answer?

 

[SSDD]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

You never did say whether infrared pictures of the sunlit side of the Earth were possible.
Why are you afraid to answer?

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

You never did say whether infrared pictures of the sunlit side of the Earth were possible.
Why are you afraid to answer?

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Hey, snapperhead, INFRARED.
Are you going to claim that infrared satellite pictures of the Earth are possible because the Sun's infrared radiation is bouncing off the Earth?

 

[SSDD]

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

You never did say whether infrared pictures of the sunlit side of the Earth were possible.
Why are you afraid to answer?

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Hey, snapperhead, INFRARED.
Are you going to claim that infrared satellite pictures of the Earth are possible because the Sun's infrared radiation is bouncing off the Earth?

Is infrared not light? Whatever point you are trying to make is going to fail because energy always moves to a state of higher entropy

 

[jc456]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

Yet cool atmosphere does not make the surface warmer!

 

[jc456]

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

You never did say whether infrared pictures of the sunlit side of the Earth were possible.
Why are you afraid to answer?

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Hey, snapperhead, INFRARED.
Are you going to claim that infrared satellite pictures of the Earth are possible because the Sun's infrared radiation is bouncing off the Earth?

You're going to lose this one.

 

[SSDD]

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

You get more stupid and dishonest every day...must have been real frustrating not being able to support your position...childish comment but not unexpected

You never did say whether infrared pictures of the sunlit side of the Earth were possible.
Why are you afraid to answer?

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Got to be one of your stupidest attempts to prove your unobservable, unmeasurable, untested beliefs...why do you think you couldn't take photos of light reflected from the sun....unless the camera were hotter than the sun

Hey, snapperhead, INFRARED.
Are you going to claim that infrared satellite pictures of the Earth are possible because the Sun's infrared radiation is bouncing off the Earth?

You're going to lose this one.

They think they can get around the second law of thermodynamics

 

[SSDD]

Sorry again hairball, but your graph still doesn't go into the far IR range....

Pissdrinker, your evasions keep getting more pathetic. Why not admit what everyone already understands, that you pooched the science hard, again?

and again, you are talking about reflectivity when the topic is absorptivity and emissivity.

Damn, you're stupid. But then, you're emotionally invested in being stupid. It's not possible to be both a loyal pissdrinking cultist and to be intelligent, so you actively work on being stupid.

Again, real world, anything not reflected is absorbed. Reflectivity is near zero for water in the mid and far IR, hence the oceans absorb almost all of that IR. Period.

So, once more, you're declaring the past century of physics is all wrong, all the scientists are wrong, and that only your kook blog understands the RealTruth. That's why you're considered to be a cultist laughingstock.

Skook and jc, you don't yet qualify as "laughingstock". You'll need to graduate from "buttboy" first in order to reach "laughingstock".

It doesn't matter because SSDD knows that warmer atmosphere doesn't radiate toward cooler water.

Don't worry, he's on the emergency list for a brain transplant.

Yet cool atmosphere does not make the surface warmer!

They think it does. ..just not as warm as the real warmer wackos....they believe in the magic. ..they just don't think the magic is as strong