...and then - Walt Nauta?

[Harpy Eagle]

Nauta will flip.

I do not think so, he seems to be a true worshiper. He would drink the kool aid if Trump handed it to him

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I do not think so, he seems to be a true worshiper. He would drink the kool aid if Trump handed it to him

Nah, he will rat out Trump.

 

[OKTexas]

If you were objective, but you are not. Scamper away.

I don't scamper anywhere commie.

.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't scamper anywhere commie.

.

You scamper all the time, fake Texan.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Trump had his chance to lock her up. Another campaign lie.

You're a moron. When Trump won he said he would not prosecute . Trump has class

 

[mak2]

You're a moron. When Trump won he said he would not prosecute . Trump has class

where did he put it? One of those boxes?

 

[SavannahMann]

You're a moron. When Trump won he said he would not prosecute . Trump has class

The problem with Trump is he says everything. He is for and against everything.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

where did he put it? One of those boxes?

In hunters corvette.

 

[mak2]

In hunters corvette.

Hope he goes and gets it back. He might be the least classy person I have ever seen.

 

[surada]

LOL! He moved some fucking boxes for Trump.

Trump didn't know his name.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/politics/trump-maralago-indictment-carlos-de-oliveira/index.html

 

[Chillicothe]

(re: Nauta) I do not think so, he seems to be a true worshiper. He would drink the kool aid if Trump handed it to him

Nah, he will rat out Trump.

(re: DeOlivera) Trump didn't know his name.

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Thank you, poster Surada, for that link.

And today, with the article in Surada's link and in this morning's Washington Post lead article we are all getting to know Carlos DeOlivera a little more each day.

Whether the guy will flip....hell, I dunno. But it seems not out of the realm of possibility that the more people who had some interaction with Don Trump or Walt Nauta or even DeOlivera, well, the likelihood that someone who know something important is gonna flip to save their hide. 'Flipping' an insider is a pretty common law enforcement/prosecutorial tactic. Shoot, we've seen it a gabillion times on the telly. We'll see if it happens here.

The WaPo reportage is behind a firewall. For the many readers here who are subscribers to the Washington Post, I'd recommend you pull it up this morning over your Saturday coffee and see what that reportage reveals.
For the handful here who do not regularly read WaPo, well, my avatar offers these few 'taster' paragraphs:
(I did some underlining to emphasize points that I thought had traction.)
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"Trump aide Carlos De Oliveira’s journey from failed witness to defendant

A proffer session gone sour leads to an indictment, underscoring investigators’ hopes and fears about Trump staffers"​

"The series of discussions between De Oliveira and investigators highlight how prosecutors led by special counsel Jack Smith have approached Trump employees with a mixture of hope and suspicion: hope that the former president’s employees could explain what had happened inside Mar-a-Lago, and suspicion that whatever misdeeds may have occurred, they might have been aided by servants who stayed loyal to the boss — even after the FBI came knocking.

When FBI agents arrived at Mar-a-Lago the morning of Aug. 8 with a court-issued search warrant, De Oliveira was one of the first people they turned to. They asked him to unlock a storage room where boxes of documents were kept, people familiar with what happened said. De Oliveira said he wasn’t sure where the key was, because he’d given it to either the Secret Service agents guarding the former president or staffers for Trump’s post-presidency office, the people said.

Frustrated, the agents simply cut the lock on the gold-colored door. The incident became part of what investigators would see as a troubling pattern with the answers De Oliveira gave them as they investigated Trump, the people said. Current and former law enforcement officials said witnesses often mislead them, particularly early in investigations. But those bad answers get more dangerous as agents continue to gather information.

When authorities entered the storage room that June day, Trump’s lawyers told them they could not look into the many boxes inside. Many of those boxes, security footage would later show, had been placed there the day before by Nauta and De Oliveira, according to the indictment.
Officials didn’t like the answer but accepted it, for the time being. Trump’s legal team also handed over a sealed envelope with 38 classified documents and tried to assure the federal officials that they had conducted a diligent search at Mar-a-Lago.
Agents had another concern: The lock on the door to the storage room was flimsy. The officials urged staff to put a better lock on the door, which De Oliveira did — using a hasp and a padlock to keep it secure, the people said. If there were still highly sensitive classified documents in the room, such a lock was far from sufficient, but it was better than nothing.


Footage from Mar-a-Lago would also show De Oliveira on June 3 as he loaded items, including at least one box, into an SUV to go to Bedminster, N.J., where Trump planned to spend much of the summer, according to the indictment.


Within weeks of the Justice Department visit in early June, the FBI had gathered evidence suggesting that Trump might not have turned over all the classified papers in his possession. Between June 22 and 24, government officials discussed with Trump’s attorney and then issued a subpoena for security camera footage to see if they could follow movements of people and material inside the complex. Of particular interest were cameras in a hallway that led from residential space toward the storage room, the people familiar with the situation said.

When the FBI returned with its warrant in August of last year, agents found 75 additional classified documents in the storage room and 27 more in Trump’s office, the indictment says.

On June 23, Trump had a 24-minute phone call with De Oliveira, the indictment says. Around the same time, De Oliveira and Nauta had text conversations with another Trump employee at the facility, whom people familiar with the investigation have identified as IT worker Yuscil Taveras.

Three days later, according to the indictment and people familiar with the investigation, De Oliveira pulled Taveras aside for a face-to-face conversation. De Oliveira wanted to know how long the camera system’s computer server stored the images it recorded, the people said.

According to a superseding indictment unsealed Thursday, De Oliveira told Taveras — identified as “Employee 4” in the court document — “that ‘the boss’ wanted the server deleted.”
The employee replied “that he would not know how to do that, and that he did not believe that he would have the rights to do that,” according to the indictment. “De Oliveira then insisted to Trump Employee 4 that ‘the boss’ wanted the server deleted and asked, ‘What are we going to do?’”

Over that summer, it became clear that the feds weren’t going away, nor were their demands for security camera footage. Evidence gathered by investigators shows that Trump returned twice to the property in July, once from July 10 to 12, and again on July 23, the people said. Prosecutors eventually sought security footage covering that time period as well.

In January 2023, De Oliveira was questioned by investigators at his home, according to the indictment. His answers left agents more suspicious of him, the people familiar with the situation said.
Weeks later, agents seized his phone, the people said. He was subpoenaed to testify in April before the federal grand jury. By that point, it was clear that prosecutors were deeply skeptical of De Oliveira’s explanations of his interactions with Trump and Nauta, and his occasional claims of faulty memory.

The prosecutors’ dissatisfaction came to a head in mid-April, when De Oliveira was given a proffer session — an interview in which a prosecutor and a defense lawyer meet with a person to decide if they have valuable information to offer an investigation, the kind that could lead to a plea deal.
Such meetings are often called “queen for a day” sessions because the person being questioned will not have their answers used against them, unless they lie.
After the session, people familiar with the matter said, prosecutors told De Oliveira’s lawyer that they believed he was not being truthful and should expect to be charged.

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It is an interesting time for us Americans, no?​

It's like following one of those TV crime-dramas......but now we have some familiarity with the players.

The reportage could suggest to some here that Taveras has already flipped.

IMHO

 

[surada]

Get a grip.

There was a reason he was asked to move them.

They were subject to a subpoena.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/politics/trump-maralago-indictment-carlos-de-oliveira/index.html

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Thank you, poster Surada, for that link.

And today, with the article in Surada's link and in this morning's Washington Post lead article we are all getting to know Carlos DeOlivera a little more each day.

Whether the guy will flip....hell, I dunno. But it seems not out of the realm of possibility that the more people who had some interaction with Don Trump or Walt Nauta or even DeOlivera, well, the likelihood that someone who know something important is gonna flip to save their hide. 'Flipping' an insider is a pretty common law enforcement/prosecutorial tactic. Shoot, we've seen it a gabillion times on the telly. We'll see if it happens here.

The WaPo reportage is behind a firewall. For the many readers here who are subscribers to the Washington Post, I'd recommend you pull it up this morning over your Saturday coffee and see what that reportage reveals.
For the handful here who do not regularly read WaPo, well, my avatar offers these few 'taster' paragraphs:
(I did some underlining to emphasize points that I thought had traction.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


"Trump aide Carlos De Oliveira’s journey from failed witness to defendant

A proffer session gone sour leads to an indictment, underscoring investigators’ hopes and fears about Trump staffers"​

"The series of discussions between De Oliveira and investigators highlight how prosecutors led by special counsel Jack Smith have approached Trump employees with a mixture of hope and suspicion: hope that the former president’s employees could explain what had happened inside Mar-a-Lago, and suspicion that whatever misdeeds may have occurred, they might have been aided by servants who stayed loyal to the boss — even after the FBI came knocking.

When FBI agents arrived at Mar-a-Lago the morning of Aug. 8 with a court-issued search warrant, De Oliveira was one of the first people they turned to. They asked him to unlock a storage room where boxes of documents were kept, people familiar with what happened said. De Oliveira said he wasn’t sure where the key was, because he’d given it to either the Secret Service agents guarding the former president or staffers for Trump’s post-presidency office, the people said.

Frustrated, the agents simply cut the lock on the gold-colored door. The incident became part of what investigators would see as a troubling pattern with the answers De Oliveira gave them as they investigated Trump, the people said. Current and former law enforcement officials said witnesses often mislead them, particularly early in investigations. But those bad answers get more dangerous as agents continue to gather information.

When authorities entered the storage room that June day, Trump’s lawyers told them they could not look into the many boxes inside. Many of those boxes, security footage would later show, had been placed there the day before by Nauta and De Oliveira, according to the indictment.
Officials didn’t like the answer but accepted it, for the time being. Trump’s legal team also handed over a sealed envelope with 38 classified documents and tried to assure the federal officials that they had conducted a diligent search at Mar-a-Lago.
Agents had another concern: The lock on the door to the storage room was flimsy. The officials urged staff to put a better lock on the door, which De Oliveira did — using a hasp and a padlock to keep it secure, the people said. If there were still highly sensitive classified documents in the room, such a lock was far from sufficient, but it was better than nothing.


Footage from Mar-a-Lago would also show De Oliveira on June 3 as he loaded items, including at least one box, into an SUV to go to Bedminster, N.J., where Trump planned to spend much of the summer, according to the indictment.


Within weeks of the Justice Department visit in early June, the FBI had gathered evidence suggesting that Trump might not have turned over all the classified papers in his possession. Between June 22 and 24, government officials discussed with Trump’s attorney and then issued a subpoena for security camera footage to see if they could follow movements of people and material inside the complex. Of particular interest were cameras in a hallway that led from residential space toward the storage room, the people familiar with the situation said.

When the FBI returned with its warrant in August of last year, agents found 75 additional classified documents in the storage room and 27 more in Trump’s office, the indictment says.

On June 23, Trump had a 24-minute phone call with De Oliveira, the indictment says. Around the same time, De Oliveira and Nauta had text conversations with another Trump employee at the facility, whom people familiar with the investigation have identified as IT worker Yuscil Taveras.

Three days later, according to the indictment and people familiar with the investigation, De Oliveira pulled Taveras aside for a face-to-face conversation. De Oliveira wanted to know how long the camera system’s computer server stored the images it recorded, the people said.

According to a superseding indictment unsealed Thursday, De Oliveira told Taveras — identified as “Employee 4” in the court document — “that ‘the boss’ wanted the server deleted.”
The employee replied “that he would not know how to do that, and that he did not believe that he would have the rights to do that,” according to the indictment. “De Oliveira then insisted to Trump Employee 4 that ‘the boss’ wanted the server deleted and asked, ‘What are we going to do?’”

Over that summer, it became clear that the feds weren’t going away, nor were their demands for security camera footage. Evidence gathered by investigators shows that Trump returned twice to the property in July, once from July 10 to 12, and again on July 23, the people said. Prosecutors eventually sought security footage covering that time period as well.

In January 2023, De Oliveira was questioned by investigators at his home, according to the indictment. His answers left agents more suspicious of him, the people familiar with the situation said.
Weeks later, agents seized his phone, the people said. He was subpoenaed to testify in April before the federal grand jury. By that point, it was clear that prosecutors were deeply skeptical of De Oliveira’s explanations of his interactions with Trump and Nauta, and his occasional claims of faulty memory.

The prosecutors’ dissatisfaction came to a head in mid-April, when De Oliveira was given a proffer session — an interview in which a prosecutor and a defense lawyer meet with a person to decide if they have valuable information to offer an investigation, the kind that could lead to a plea deal.
Such meetings are often called “queen for a day” sessions because the person being questioned will not have their answers used against them, unless they lie.
After the session, people familiar with the matter said, prosecutors told De Oliveira’s lawyer that they believed he was not being truthful and should expect to be charged.

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It is an interesting time for us Americans, no?​

It's like following one of those TV crime-dramas......but now we have some familiarity with the players.

The reportage could suggest to some here that Taveras has already flipped.

IMHO

Trump betrays everyone

 

[The5thHorseman]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/28/politics/trump-maralago-indictment-carlos-de-oliveira/index.html

Trump betrays everyone

He is truly an atrocious human being..

 

[surada]

He is truly an atrocious human being..

Walt's friends and neighbors say he's a hardworking, law abiding guy.

 

[The5thHorseman]

Walt's friends and neighbors say he's a hardworking, law abiding guy.

I don't doubt it....so is the other guy...

I hope the jury takes this into account when determining whether Grifty should hang.

 

[surada]

I don't doubt it....so is the other guy...

I hope the jury takes this into account when determining whether Grifty should hang.

Which other guy?

 

[The5thHorseman]

Which other guy?

De Olivera.

 

[surada]

De Olivera.

Thanks.

 

[MagicMike]

LOL! He moved some fucking boxes for Trump.

Boxes full of classified documents.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nauta put a theoretical conspiracy into actual action, a fulfilled conspiracy.

Will get fifteen to twenty years.