And the death panel chair is...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AllieBaba, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. AllieBaba
    Offline

    AllieBaba BANNED

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2007
    Messages:
    33,778
    Thanks Received:
    3,648
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings:
    +3,650
    "In June 2009, in an interview with Biotechnology Healthcare, Dr. Berwick made his own remark about rationing--in the context of government-funded health-care.

    “We can make a sensible social decision and say, ‘Well, at this point, to have access to a particular additional benefit [new drug or medical intervention] is so expensive that our taxpayers have better use for those funds,’” said Berwick. “We make those decisions all the time. The decision is not whether or not we will ration care--the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open. And right now, we are doing it blindly.”

    CNSNews.com - Gibbs Evades Question of Whether Obama Agrees With His Medicare Director That Health-Care System Must Redistribute Wealth

    it doesn't get much clearer than that.
     
  2. Greenbeard
    Offline

    Greenbeard Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    6,809
    Thanks Received:
    1,200
    Trophy Points:
    200
    Location:
    New England
    Ratings:
    +1,323
    Why are simple concepts made so difficult? Health care resources don't exist in infinite supply, meaning choosing the most effect treatments is important. That's a question about comparative effectiveness research (CER). From that interview:

    Comparative effectiveness research is about smarter medicine. This is one of those areas where experts and the public diverge on their understanding of the importance of this research to controlling costs:

    [​IMG]

    However, comparative effectiveness research is certainly not the same as Palin's death panel:

    The question Berwick is discussing is entirely about which treatment is worthy of your ailment, not whether you are worthy of treatment.

    It makes no sense to slam Berwick as a socialist who wants to give health care resources to everybody (particularly through redistribution to the sickest, poorest, and oldest in society), while at the same time claiming he wants to kill off the weak in society with death panels.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 2
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2010
  3. NYcarbineer
    Offline

    NYcarbineer Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2009
    Messages:
    95,926
    Thanks Received:
    11,257
    Trophy Points:
    2,060
    Location:
    Finger Lakes, NY
    Ratings:
    +30,190
    It's ironic that conservatives think this scores valid points for their side,

    when the conservative approach to healthcare rationing is to simply take away everyone's ration book.

    What conservatives don't seem to get through their fat heads is that while they're happily slamming anyone on the left who points out the reality of the limits to how much government can spend on healthcare,

    they themselves have an agenda to do far more to limit how much the government spends on healthcare.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  4. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,194
    Thanks Received:
    14,906
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +36,938
    Comparative effectiveness research is just another way of saying Eugenics
     
  5. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,194
    Thanks Received:
    14,906
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +36,938
    "We are God's partners in matters of life and death" -- Barack Adolf Obama, addressing a group of Rabbis and discussing Health Care "reform"
     
  6. Oddball
    Offline

    Oddball BANNED Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    41,428
    Thanks Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
    Ratings:
    +8,409
    Because if it's one thing that authoritarian central controllers and their willing useful idiot accomplices believe above all else, it's that they're the smartest people to ever draw a breath. :rolleyes:

    Good job, Pinkbeard.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  7. CrusaderFrank
    Offline

    CrusaderFrank Diamond Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2009
    Messages:
    81,194
    Thanks Received:
    14,906
    Trophy Points:
    2,210
    Ratings:
    +36,938
    I wonder why there were 14 million new gun sales last year?
     
  8. Cuyo
    Offline

    Cuyo Training a Guineapig army

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    5,681
    Thanks Received:
    942
    Trophy Points:
    98
    Location:
    Denver, PA
    Ratings:
    +942
    I was looking for some nice hearty conspiracy theory to start the day with. Dude delivers. :)
     
  9. Oddball
    Offline

    Oddball BANNED Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2009
    Messages:
    41,428
    Thanks Received:
    8,397
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Drinking wine, eating cheese, catching rays
    Ratings:
    +8,409
    Those weren't my words, Gomer.
     
  10. Greenbeard
    Offline

    Greenbeard Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    6,809
    Thanks Received:
    1,200
    Trophy Points:
    200
    Location:
    New England
    Ratings:
    +1,323
    Must be afraid they're going to start rationing tin-foil hats.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1

Share This Page