And so the Ad-wars against Republican anti-immigration-reform stance begin.

[rightwinger]

it's simply laughable seeing left-wing idiots pretend they care about wasting billions of dollars. Seriously moron just stop!


lol

what about the billions illegals cost the USA?

Like the 26 billion Republicans wasted shutting down the government?

 

[Disir]

He wants to make detainers mandatory on local jails, bar sanctuary cities from enacting laws that run counter to the federal government’s, and have ICE share its resources with local law enforcement agencies.

Guess what?

That doesn't work in real life. How do I know this? Because as a CERT volunteer I get to work with cops and they all say the same thing. If they detain an illegal immigrant in their jurisdiction and call the ICE to come and get them nothing happens.

ICE doesn't respond and come and take them away because republicans have slashed government funding so ICE doesn't have the resources to collect these illegal immigrants and then to house them while they process them.

There is no point in demanding that cops must detain illegal immigrants who haven't committed any other crimes if they are not going to receive due process under the law. And yes, everyone, legal or otherwise, is entitled to due process under the Law of the Land.

So if you want to fix this problem you have to convince all those extremist rightwingers who are screeching about "my money" and illegal aliens that they are going to have to pay more taxes if they want this problem solved.

Building the great wall of T-Rump is a waste of billions of taxpayer dollars because it doesn't address the real problem which is a failure to properly fund the government of We the People to deal with problems like this one.

And as I posted earlier this needs to be a compromise solution that is reached by sane and rational representatives from both sides of the aisle.

I'm not interested in the great wall of Trump. Trump is merely reciting what the people are saying. He has been instrumental, without trying, in pointing out that Fox news commentators represent the GOP establishment.

Pay no attention to the Sheriff telling you what he wants and noting why it doesn't happen---in real life. It's liability. He then tells you what he wants. Without those resources---it's a liability. Guess what? It's 48 hours for ICE to move and it isn't about taxes directed here. In real life it's about the inability to hold them legally and not get the bejeezes sued out of you. Last time I checked, the federal government has a fixed per diem rate for inmates.

Again. I ask. Is there anything in the ad that states anything of the following:
Sacramento County Sheriff Scott Jones pointed to a federal court ruling out of Oregon that said local officials do not have to comply with ICE hold requests and that they could be liable for wrongful detentions.

While only applicable in that jurisdiction, Jones said pleas by him and other sheriffs for the federal government to challenge the decision were rejected.

“Although advocates would have you believe that these ... jurisdictions are recognizing the value of their community and decided not to cooperate with ICE – or other such rationales – the truth is far more simplistic,” Jones said in an email. “We don’t want to be sued because the feds won’t back us up. That’s why there is a growing number of jurisdictions refusing to honor ICE detainers, plain and simple.”

He wants to make detainers mandatory on local jails, bar sanctuary cities from enacting laws that run counter to the federal government’s, and have ICE share its resources with local law enforcement agencies.


Is there anything in that ad that addresses the need for another 50 judges to move the backlog and stay ahead of the game? Is there anything in that ad that states that the rocket cases pushed back cases on the table or that court dates were as long as four years? That's where the funding needs to go.

It's been very easy for the Democrats because they initially came forth with immigration rights. The GOP didn't really address the issue. I think that part of this reason is that they would have to figure out how to support businesses that insist on lowering wages and outsourcing and H1b visas and several other issues that would require backtracking on what they sold themselves on. This allowed the right wing extremists the opening shot. The Democrats converse with the extremists. Not the regular people. I think that part of this reason is that they would have to deal with the businesses that insist on lowering wages and outsourcing and H1b visas. It's one of the reasons that people leave the GOP and the Tea Party. It's also a reason that people leave the Democrats.

In 2010 the House shot down the funding for the court to move those cases along. Not the front line and not the detention centers. That isn't how they sold it.
It's another one of the reasons that people leave the GOP and the Tea Party.

Let me explain how some of this translates to people.

I support a pathway to citizenship.
Translation: I am going to do whatever it takes for you good people to stay.

Why? Because a pathway to citizenship already exists.

I support meaningful immigration reform.
Translation: I am going to do whatever it takes for you good people to stay. Amnesty.
Why? Because we already have the laws. Just want them enforced.


The reason that Trump is successful is because he at least tries to address these issues: It has less to do with a wall.
Immigration Reform

What you posted supported exactly what I said.

If T-Rump wants to convince the GOP and the TP'ers to spend money to fix immigration then more power to him.

But he is telling that to the same TP'ers who were bitching about "my money" when it came to the ACA funding.

And yes, those same TP'ers obstructed the Immigration Reform bill that would have provided the funding for extra judges and detention facilities, etc ,etc.

Is it suddenly acceptable to the TP'ers now because the same idea is coming from their T-Rump messiah rather than from the Dems?

Yes, he is telling that to the same people. He isn't telling them how he is going to make it possible. He hasn't touched on who will be funding e-verity. He ignored the court backlog and focused on the front line. AND.....when he started finger pointing it went straight to Rubio. He hasn't told me what he can't do and he hasn't told me what the obstacles are. He hasn't specified if he can overcome those obstacles and how he would attempt to. He is missing a lot.

And his policy includes the following:
Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.



Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.


This is from Hillary Clinton's site:
Hillary Clinton: I will fight for comprehensive immigration reform


Is he their Messiah? Hell, I don't know. He has one issue up. But, we can see the differences between positions very clearly. One has a position and one doesn't. So, instead of going after the positions, we have an attack ad to cover the fact that one doesn't have any positions.

So, you tell me, what is the difference between this Messiah candidate and the rest of the Republican candidates now and in the last two election cycles?

 

[bodecea]

Perhaps THIS would get the message across better than anything else!!!

Indeed...we've seen the RWRS are easily swayed by photoshop and doctored videos.