And Now For Some Good News

[Manonthestreet]

I've watched it evolve for decades

~S~

Yeah time...doesn't happen overnite…..meanwhile lets not use all the nat gas we have sitting around nooooooo….that's evil

 

[LoneLaugher]

I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.

Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.

Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal

If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.

If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.

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The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.

Who told you that?

 

[gallantwarrior]

They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~

I don't understand what you mean.

My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.

Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.

They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.

The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.

We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.

We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.

In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?

Did you read and comprehend what I posted?

I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.

You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.

You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.

I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.

I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.

You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.

I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.

We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!

So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?

 

[gallantwarrior]

As usual, we are told that there's a one-sized-fits-all solution to a very complicated problem. A rarity, at best, and using federal regulation to compel compliance with some pie-in-the-sky, wet-dream silliness signals national socialism.
A word to solar: you still have to have some sort of back up system, in case of bad weather. Most storage systems are set up for about three days worth of supply before requiring recharging, depending on the capacity of your system and the amount of energy you use.

 

[Pogo]

I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.

Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.

Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal

If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.

If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.

View attachment 249593

The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.

Who told you that?

Serioiusly?

Etymology. Captain Obvious strikes again.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.

Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.

Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal

If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.

If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.

View attachment 249593

The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.

Who told you that?

Serioiusly?

Etymology. Captain Obvious strikes again.

I see. Nobody. Got it.

 

[Dana7360]

They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~

I don't understand what you mean.

My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.

Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.

They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.

The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.

We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.

We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.

In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?

Did you read and comprehend what I posted?

I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.

You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.

You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.

I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.

I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.

You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.

I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.

We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!

So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?

I made the decision in 2001 to never buy a normal gas car again. And I haven't. I bought our first hybrid car in 2001. Since then my ex, who I was married to at the time, replaced his hybrid in 2013 with a Chevy Volt that is electric and gas. The first 40 or so miles is pure electric then it trips over to gas. We lived about a mile from where he works. Since the marriage ended he still lives in the area. He rarely used the gas in that car. I just bought my 4th hybrid car a little over a year ago.

I also live in an area that started curb side recycling in the 80s. Not just paper, glass, plastic and metal. We have specific yard waste bins so that our yard waste is recycled.

I send money to organizations that replant trees in places it's needed.

I've bought land here in America and in South America so that they won't be logged.

I've bought land and nests of some ugly birds in Florida so they can keep making those ugly birds.

I've bought land in Maui to create a preserve for a certain flower that only grows on that island. No other place in the world.

I've donated money to build a bald eagle preserve with the Nature Conservancy at Padilla Bay.

I work with an environmental group in my state that does nothing but take people to court to stop the clear cut logging. The laws in my state are on our side now so the clear cut loggers usually loose. I go out into areas to take photos of it to prove it's not a fire hazard and to prove the trees are either too small or too large to be harvested. I go out with my camera to prove illegal logging too.

The electricity in my state isn't generated by coal. We started shutting down our last coal fire plant in 2005. It should be shut down by now or close to it. We get most of our energy from water.

I heat my home with natural gas.

Being friendly to the environment doesn't mean giving up all the comforts we have in the 21st century. I'm not advocating your stupid extremist all or nothing approach. I know you people use that to make sure nothing is done. All you've done is make sure that people have stopped listening to or paying any attention to you and your extremist manipulations.

Just because you're too narrow minded to see that there can be a hybrid of both natural renewables and fossil fuels doesn't mean everyone thinks that way. We all know that only one way for something is stupid. If we use the best of renewables and fossil fuels we all win.

What have you done to help with the problem?

 

[fncceo]

I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top

Actually, most times, it's the loudest ideas that rise to the top.

 

[fncceo]

If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.

China is serious about climate change efforts but it's not easy to just stop using coal and oil when you you're trying to meet the energy needs of 1.3 billion people. It's an incredibly steep endeavor. A lot of people don't actually comprehend the magnitude of the challenge.

It's easy. Just get all the Chinese to drive a Prius.

 

[OnePercenter]

If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.

India and China are third-world countries.

 

[fncceo]

If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.

India and China are third-world countries.

Here is your gold star ....

 

[OnePercenter]

Love driving by solar farms buried in snow and then have the utilities ask people to turn off everything they can and their heat down to 60 cause there isn't enough power...….how progressive

Which utilities are those?

 

[WheelieAddict]

The miltary is preparing for it for good reason, it isn't fake.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.

China is serious about climate change efforts but it's not easy to just stop using coal and oil when you you're trying to meet the energy needs of 1.3 billion people. It's an incredibly steep endeavor. A lot of people don't actually comprehend the magnitude of the challenge.

And, one of those climate change concerns has caused China to pass laws that require a certain percentage of the cars built in China be electric. And, because of that, China is sucking up all the technicians that work on developing them. Currently, China accounts for over 35 percent of the electric car market WORLDWIDE.

Your next car could be electric—and Chinese

 

[Rustic]

They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~

I don't understand what you mean.

My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.

Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.

They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We have an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.

The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.

We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.

We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.

In the northern plains like South Dakota where I live, alternative energy is very unreliable, very expensive and certainly not viable.
While I’m for all of the above myself, Alternative energy needs to step up and pay for itself while doing want it supposed to do, before it can be considered as a viable alternative.
The northern plains basically has unlimited fossil fuels, With technology more and more are being found every day. Use them up till a better alternative can be proven...

 

[Rustic]

I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.

Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.

Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal

If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.

If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.

View attachment 249593

The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.

The only thing conservatives lead the way to is money and power. They don't seem to give a damn about anything else.

Lol
Says a control freak

 

[ABikerSailor]

They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~

I don't understand what you mean.

My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.

Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.

They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.

The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.

We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.

We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.

In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?

Did you read and comprehend what I posted?

I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.

You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.

You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.

I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.

I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.

You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.

I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.

We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!

So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?

You said 'in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months". Were you talking about world wide, or were you talking about just the USA? In either case, you are sorely wrong, because granted, there are places where the sun doesn't rise for a couple of months, those places are above the Arctic Circle. The only state in the US that is affected by long nights are those in Alaska, and there ain't that many people in that state.

As far as the people in the lower 48? Those in the northern states will receive at least 9 hours, and the people in the southern states will receive 10 hours of sunlight on the Winter Solstice, the shortest day of the year. So, even on that one you are wrong.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-year/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f0b7558cce50

 

[ABikerSailor]

They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~

I don't understand what you mean.

My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.

Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.

They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We have an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.

The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.

We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.

We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.

In the northern plains like South Dakota where I live, alternative energy is very unreliable, very expensive and certainly not viable.
While I’m for all of the above myself, Alternative energy needs to step up and pay for itself while doing want it supposed to do, before it can be considered as a viable alternative.
The northern plains basically has unlimited fossil fuels, With technology more and more are being found every day. Use them up till a better alternative can be proven...

You want alternative energy to step up and pay for itself? Cool. Can we do the same thing with oil and gas companies and stop paying them subsidies?

 

[Rustic]

They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~

I don't understand what you mean.

My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.

Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.

They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.

The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.

We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.

We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.

In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?

Did you read and comprehend what I posted?

I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.

You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.

You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.

I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.

I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.

You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.

I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.

We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!

So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?

Yep, Alternative energy is not viable on its own. We need all of the above. Every state has different one size fits all will never work for the good of the individual.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Windmill farms seem to be doing pretty good up here in the Texas Panhandle.

Same thing for eastern New Mexico, and the eastern plains of Colorado.