An Outbreak of Lawlessness- Charles Krauthammer (Washington Post)

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An outbreak of lawlessness

By Charles Krauthammer, Published: November 28

For all the gnashing of teeth over the lack of comity and civility in Washington, the real problem is not etiquette but the breakdown of political norms, legislative and constitutional.

Such as the one just spectacularly blown up in the Senate. To get three judges onto a coveted circuit court, frustrated Democrats abolished the filibuster for executive appointments and (non-Supreme Court) judicial nominations.

The problem is not the change itself. It’s fine that a president staffing his administration should need 51 votes rather than 60. Doing so for judicial appointments, which are for life, is a bit dicier. Nonetheless, for about 200 years the filibuster was nearly unknown in blocking judicial nominees. So we are really just returning to an earlier norm.

The violence to political norms here consisted in how that change was executed. By brute force — a near party-line vote of 52 to 48 . This was a disgraceful violation of more than two centuries of precedent. If a bare majority can change the fundamental rules that govern an institution, then there are no rules. Senate rules today are whatever the majority decides they are that morning.

What distinguishes an institution from a flash mob is that its rules endure. They can be changed, of course. But only by significant supermajorities. That’s why constitutional changes require two-thirds of both houses plus three-quarters of the states. If we could make constitutional changes by majority vote, there would be no Constitution.

As of today, the Senate effectively has no rules. Congratulations, Harry Reid. Finally, something you will be remembered for.

Barack Obama may be remembered for something similar. His violation of the proper limits of executive power has become breathtaking. It’s not just making recess appointments when the Senate is in session. It’s not just unilaterally imposing a law Congress had refused to pass — the Dream Act — by brazenly suspending large sections of the immigration laws.

We’ve now reached a point where a flailing president, desperate to deflect the opprobrium heaped upon him for the false promise that you could keep your health plan if you wanted to, calls a hasty news conference urging both insurers and the states to reinstate millions of such plans.

Except that he is asking them to break the law. His own law. Under Obamacare, no insurer may issue a policy after 2013 that does not meet the law’s minimum coverage requirements. These plans were canceled because they do not.

The law remains unchanged. The regulations governing that law remain unchanged. Nothing is changed except for a president proposing to unilaterally change his own law from the White House press room.

That’s banana republic stuff, except that there the dictator proclaims from the presidential balcony.

Read the rest of the article here: Charles Krauthammer: The Democrats? outbreak of lawlessness - The Washington Post
 
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I guess then it's 'provocative', not to mention hilarious, that Krauthammer - back in 2005 with a Republican President and a Republican Senate -

said this:

"One of the great traditions, customs and unwritten rules of the Senate is that you do not filibuster judicial nominees.

You certainly do not filibuster judicial nominees who would otherwise win an up-or-down vote.

And you surely do not filibuster judicial nominees in a systematic campaign to deny a president and a majority of the Senate their choice of judges.

That is historically unprecedented."


Shameless flip floppery.

Charles Krauthammer - Nuclear? No, Restoration
 
I guess then it's 'provocative', not to mention hilarious, that Krauthammer - back in 2005 with a Republican President and a Republican Senate -

said this:

"One of the great traditions, customs and unwritten rules of the Senate is that you do not filibuster judicial nominees.

You certainly do not filibuster judicial nominees who would otherwise win an up-or-down vote.

And you surely do not filibuster judicial nominees in a systematic campaign to deny a president and a majority of the Senate their choice of judges.

That is historically unprecedented."


Shameless flip floppery.

Charles Krauthammer - Nuclear? No, Restoration

Nothing changed, if you had read the article:

The problem is not the change itself. It’s fine that a president staffing his administration should need 51 votes rather than 60. Doing so for judicial appointments, which are for life, is a bit dicier. Nonetheless, for about 200 years the filibuster was nearly unknown in blocking judicial nominees. So we are really just returning to an earlier norm.
 
The senate is just following the public. There is generally an outbreak of lawlessness. The streets are lawless, why should the government be exempt from lawlessness. The very hallmark of a dictatorship is lawlessness. The supreme leader is the law, he need not trouble himself with laws made by others.
 
Things change, Not too long ago the kind of blanket blocking of nominees with little of no explanation of why they object would have been pretty bad form in the senate. I wonder if any of them had any real objection other than a "socialist Muslim" nominated them.
 
I guess then it's 'provocative', not to mention hilarious, that Krauthammer - back in 2005 with a Republican President and a Republican Senate -

said this:

"One of the great traditions, customs and unwritten rules of the Senate is that you do not filibuster judicial nominees.

You certainly do not filibuster judicial nominees who would otherwise win an up-or-down vote.

And you surely do not filibuster judicial nominees in a systematic campaign to deny a president and a majority of the Senate their choice of judges.

That is historically unprecedented."


Shameless flip floppery.

Charles Krauthammer - Nuclear? No, Restoration

Nothing changed, if you had read the article:

The problem is not the change itself. It’s fine that a president staffing his administration should need 51 votes rather than 60. Doing so for judicial appointments, which are for life, is a bit dicier. Nonetheless, for about 200 years the filibuster was nearly unknown in blocking judicial nominees. So we are really just returning to an earlier norm.
Which "earlier norm?" The pre-1975 norm isn't it.

Rule 22
The filibuster is related to "cloture," a rule adopted almost 100 years ago requiring a two-thirds vote. At times this was two-thirds of those voting; for a limited time, it was two-thirds of membership.

In 1975, the Senate reduced the number of votes needed to invoke cloture to three-fifths (60) of Senate membership. At the same time, they made the filibuster "invisible" by requiring only that 41 Senators state that they intend to filibuster; critics say this makes the modern filibuster "painless."
Filibuster and Cloture - Rules of the Senate: Filibuster & Cloture
 
Mods I posted this same article an hour later...

you can merge or delete mine as you wish

sorry folks
 
I guess then it's 'provocative', not to mention hilarious, that Krauthammer - back in 2005 with a Republican President and a Republican Senate -

said this:

"One of the great traditions, customs and unwritten rules of the Senate is that you do not filibuster judicial nominees.

You certainly do not filibuster judicial nominees who would otherwise win an up-or-down vote.

And you surely do not filibuster judicial nominees in a systematic campaign to deny a president and a majority of the Senate their choice of judges.

That is historically unprecedented."


Shameless flip floppery.

Charles Krauthammer - Nuclear? No, Restoration

Nothing changed, if you had read the article:

The problem is not the change itself. It’s fine that a president staffing his administration should need 51 votes rather than 60. Doing so for judicial appointments, which are for life, is a bit dicier. Nonetheless, for about 200 years the filibuster was nearly unknown in blocking judicial nominees. So we are really just returning to an earlier norm.

You prove me right in what you posted to prove me wrong lol.

Kraut also said this:

They have a perfectly constitutional, perfectly reasonable case for demanding an up-or-down vote on judicial nominees, and they should not be throwing it away for a mess of potage and fuzzy promises.
 
Prophetic....


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YQ8xRzMKwM]Krauthammer: Obamacare's Demise Will Come at the Hands of Dems - YouTube[/ame]
 
Here's some more of Krauthammer2013 vs. Krauthammer2005:

From 2005:

WASHINGTON — On Monday, Republicans were within hours of passing a procedural rule that would have eliminated the Democrats' unprecedented use of the judicial filibuster. It would not only have freed from filibuster limbo seven Bush nominees to the circuit courts, but it would have assured future nominees, particularly to the Supreme Court, an up-or-down vote.

Then the Republicans flinched. They settled for something less. Far less. How much less is still a matter of dispute, but the fact that they settled when they had within their reach the means to restore Senate practice to the status quo ante 2001 is indisputable. That in itself is a victory for the Democrats and a defeat for the Republicans.


So back then, Krauthammer laments, keeping the filibuster was a defeat for the Republicans.

NOW, Krauthammer is lamenting that getting rid of the filibuster is a defeat for the Republicans.

Simple question: Which of these Krauthammers should we consider to have a learned reasoned scholarly opinion on the matter?

...or, alternatively, might our best choice be to dismiss all Krauthammer as propagandist entertainment for the Right?

Charles Krauthammer: Filibuster deal has not 'kept the Republic' | Deseret News
 
Things change, Not too long ago the kind of blanket blocking of nominees with little of no explanation of why they object would have been pretty bad form in the senate. I wonder if any of them had any real objection other than a "socialist Muslim" nominated them.

THAT'S NOT ENOUGH????

:eek:
 
Here's some more of Krauthammer2013 vs. Krauthammer2005:

From 2005:

WASHINGTON — On Monday, Republicans were within hours of passing a procedural rule that would have eliminated the Democrats' unprecedented use of the judicial filibuster. It would not only have freed from filibuster limbo seven Bush nominees to the circuit courts, but it would have assured future nominees, particularly to the Supreme Court, an up-or-down vote.

Then the Republicans flinched. They settled for something less. Far less. How much less is still a matter of dispute, but the fact that they settled when they had within their reach the means to restore Senate practice to the status quo ante 2001 is indisputable. That in itself is a victory for the Democrats and a defeat for the Republicans.


So back then, Krauthammer laments, keeping the filibuster was a defeat for the Republicans.

NOW, Krauthammer is lamenting that getting rid of the filibuster is a defeat for the Republicans.

Simple question: Which of these Krauthammers should we consider to have a learned reasoned scholarly opinion on the matter?

...or, alternatively, might our best choice be to dismiss all Krauthammer as propagandist entertainment for the Right?

Charles Krauthammer: Filibuster deal has not 'kept the Republic' | Deseret News

Apparently you are unacquainted with the condition which spawned the adage, "live and learn."
 

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