America's Christian Heritage

[NotfooledbyW]

On November 11, 1779, Governor Thomas Jefferson complied with the request from Congress and issued a proclamation to the state of Virginia, c

Jefferson: His eternal friendship with Jesus, the man. No Hocus Pocus Rational Christianity . Jesus was no God.

GOD IS NOT A TRINITY

“It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one…. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests. Sweep away their gossamer fabrics of factitious religion, and they would catch no more flies.” – letter to John Adams, August 22, 1813

 

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Example #39 of America's Christian Heritage

Thomas Jefferson affirmed the core of classical philosophical theology. Jefferson understood Nature’s God to be a creating, particularly providential, and moralistic being, whose existence and causal relation to the world was essential to the foundations of natural-rights republicanism. For Jefferson, belief in such a God was warranted on the basis of reason, and thus is akin to the propositions that Thomas Aquinas called the preambula fidei. Jefferson’s theology was essential to natural-rights republicanism in that God’s creation and ordering of man to happiness grounded the moral law, human moral equality, and the natural right of property. Jefferson did not adhere to the major tenets of orthodox Christianity as presented in the religion’s earliest creeds, but he nonetheless affirmed the existence of a God of Nature whose attributes included being a providential, moralistic creator.

Thomas Jefferson, Nature’s God, and the Theological Foundations of Natural-Rights Republicanism (Chapter 3) - The Classical and Christian Origins of American Politics

The Classical and Christian Origins of American Politics - December 2022

www.cambridge.org

 

[hobelim]

Jefferson: His eternal friendship with Jesus, the man. No Hocus Pocus Rational Christianity . Jesus was no God.

GOD IS NOT A TRINITY

It couldn't be more clear that its time to clean house. The deados are still trying to rule the world.

Hu ihpeya wicayapo!

 

[Grumblenuts]

Do you know what "no religious test" means?

If one bears false witness enough they get to claim Christian Heritage?

 

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Example #39 of America's Christian Heritage

John Jay (1745-1829)
The 1st Chief Justice of the U S Supreme Court
Member of the Continental Congress
Served as President of the American Bible Society

On October 12, 1816 Jay gave this admonition,

Cited by William J. Federer, America's God and County Encyclopedia of Quotations,(Amerisearch, Inc., St. Louis, Mo, 2000), page 318

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

John Jay was a very neo-evangelical religious character of the FFs.

Patrick Henry was the other strong church-state believer.

It took Madison and Jefferson together to prevent Henry's attempt to establish a state religion in Virginia.

 

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Example #40 of America's Christian Heritage

"...At times the Founding Fathers spoke of natural rights as being the gift of nature, but in practically every instance it was meant the gift of God which clothed us with a distinctive nature, as afore said. For instance, James Madison, who clearly acknowledged the Deistic source of right, wrote: "The equal right of every citizen to the free exercise of his religion according to the dictates of conscience is held by the same tenure with all our other rights. If we recur to its origin, it is equally the gift of nature .... -42 "The laws of nature are the laws of God; whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth, "wrote George Mason.4 3 And George Washington admonished us that as a nation we should forever respect "the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained."44 Carl Becker, outstanding scholar on Jefferson and the American Revolution, has concluded that to the Founding Fathers "the natural rights philosophy was essentially at one with the Christian faith."45..."

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.ed...te: "The true,be limited without being lost."

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nonetheless, we are nation of secular law, ding.

Not going to change.

 

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Example #41 of America's Christian Heritage

"...James Madison was even more explicit that the source of rights exists in man's duty to his Creator. Writing of the unalienable right of religion in his Memorial and Remonstrance, he stated that the right is unalienable "because what is here a right towards men, is a duty towards the creator. It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homeage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to Him. His duty is precedent, both in order of time and in degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society. Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe: And if a member of Civil Society, who enters into any subordinate Association, must always do it with a reservation of his duty to the general authority; much more must every man who becomes a member of any particular Civil Society, do it with a saving of his allegiance to the Universal Sovereign." 25..."

https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3506&context=wlulr#:~:text=He once wrote: "The true,be limited without being lost."

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The US is governed by secular law.

No room at the inn for organized religion.

 

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The US is governed by secular law.

No room at the inn for organized religion.

Communist nations didn't have room at the inn for organized religion either.

But this thread is for celebrating America's Christian heritage.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Communist nations didn't have room at the inn for organized religion either.

But this thread is for celebrating America's Christian heritage.

And?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

In Western civilizations, the presence of state-established religions varies significantly. Let’s explore this topic:

1. Saudi Arabia and Iran: These countries have official national religions that are imposed upon citizens by the state. In Saudi Arabia, Wahhabi Islam is the state religion, while in Iran, it’s Twelver Ja’fari Shia Islam1.
2. Greenland, Denmark, England, Iceland, and Greece: These Western countries do not have an official state religion. In Europe, the state religion might be referred to as the established church1.
3. United States: Although not mentioned in the initial list, it’s worth noting that the United States does not have a state-established religion. The U.S. Constitution explicitly prohibits the establishment of an official religion, ensuring religious freedom for its citizens.
4. Historical Context: Western civilization has been deeply influenced by Christianity, especially during the Middle Ages. However, over time, the Reformation challenged the power of the Church and emphasized individual conscience. This laid the foundation for valuing the individual in modern culture2.
5. Minority Religions: While Western civilization has predominantly been shaped by Christian culture, there remains a minority (about 5%) adhering to non-Western religions due to immigration and proselytization. These include sects of Buddhism and Hinduism3.

Remember that Western civilization draws from a rich heritage, including contributions from ancient Greece, Rome, and various cultural influences, both religious and secular4.

 

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Apparently some people are having a hard time coming to grip with America's Christian heritage.

 

[kjw47]

There were at most a couple million Injuns. Their primitive hunter/gatherer cultures couldn't sustain a hundred million. And their savagery culled the herd

Wiping them out for gold and land is savage. Unchristian.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

America's Christian heritage.

It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homeage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to Him.

But this thread is for celebrating America's Christian heritage.

Then why are you celebrating founders like Washington Adam’s Jefferson and Madison etc who believed in a Creator God but not in Christianity’s Redeemer God.

All “sinners” like you Saint Ding have to believe in the one and only Jesus Christ

the Platonic mysticisms

Or as Jefferson the Great American Infidel mocked you;

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“the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one….”​

Yes Saint Ding, you have to believe and worship with other believers in the Trinity Redeeming CREATOR HOLY GHOST JESUS CHRIST GOD in order to be a Christian.

ding inserts Madison’s words :”It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homeage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to Him.”
ALSO!!!! It is not Christianity when every “fallen” man and woman “sinner” get to “believe” on their own feelings and conscience what is the acceptable way to pay homage to the Creator

Madison is not part of our American Christian Heritage.

So Celebrate this you dumbfounded Catholic if you want to keep your Christian thread Christian.

Here is an example of American Christian Heritage based upon what English Cross of Christ worshippers did to Catholic Cross of Christ worshippers

The Catholic Church in Colonial America by Dr. Marian T. Horvat

Anti-Catholicism in the original thirteen colonies, Catholics in the colonial period

www.traditioninaction.org

Let None Dare Call it Liberty:
The Catholic Church in Colonial America

Marian T. Horvat, Ph.D.

Relatively little attention has been paid to the relentless hostility toward the Catholics of our 13 English colonies in the period that preceded the American Revolution. Instead, historians have tended to concentrate only on the story of the expansion of the tiny Catholic community of 1785, which possessed no Bishop and hardly 25 priests, into the mighty organization we see today that spreads its branches from the Atlantic to the Pacific. To show this progress of Catholicism is good and legitimate. But to avoid presenting the persecution the Church suffered in the pre-Revolution colonial period is to offer an incomplete or partial history. It ignores the early story of our Catholic ancestors. It would be like describing the History of the Church only after the Edict of Milan, when the Church emerged from the Catacombs, pretending there had never been a glorious but terrible period of martyrdom.

No emojis please Saint Ding / If you are going to run just run

 

[NotfooledbyW]

the exalted virtues of the Christian system.“

Where as words prove little-- action proves it all

biblical morality.

There were at most a couple million Injuns. Their primitive hunter/gatherer cultures couldn't sustain a hundred million. And their savagery culled the herd

The official platform of the Republican Party, which appears as a link on the RNC’s “About” page, states: “The unborn child has a fundamental right to life which cannot be infringed.”


Just imagine if the English Settlers to the New World’s Thirteen Colonized Coastal Jurisdictions had brought Saint Ding’s “Biblical Morality” to the indigenous people who were in the way, and the Eleventh Commandment states “Every born child of all newly discovered indigenous people has a fundamental right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness which cannot be infringed.”

 

[Jessica-stormlover]

 

[Grumblenuts]

"Morality Hijacked By Religion"
"Religion and Ethics"

 

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Then why are you celebrating founders like Washington Adam’s Jefferson and Madison etc who believed in a Creator God but not in Christianity’s Redeemer God.

Because they all affirmed the core classical philosophical belief that God is a creating, providential, and moralistic being, whose existence and causal relation to the world was essential to the foundations of natural-rights. That God’s creation and ordering of man to happiness grounded the moral law, human moral equality, and the natural right of property. That they affirmed the existence of a God of Nature whose attributes included being a providential, moralistic creator. Which are foundational Christian beliefs which naturally lead to happiness, success, liberty and freedom.