America's 2-class tax system

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America's 2-class tax system | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/17/2011


"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."


A rare moment of honesty for rightwing Republitards.


One of the more egregious falsehoods being peddled by the corporate tax cutters is that companies doing business in the United States are taxed at an exorbitant rate. Not so. Though the United States has one of the highest statutory rates on the books at 35 percent, the only fair way to measure what companies actually pay is their effective rate - what they ultimately pay after deductions, credits, and assorted write-offs. By that yardstick, companies in the United States consistently pay taxes at rates lower than corporations in Japan and many nations in Europe.

During the 1950s, the decade in which more people joined the middle class than at any time in history - before or since - corporations paid 49 percent of their profits in taxes. Last year, it was about half that rate, a decidedly more modest 26 percent. In 2010, corporate tax collections totaled $191 billion - down 8 percent from $207 billion as recently as 2000.

Perhaps a more telling yardstick, corporate tax revenue in 2009 came to just 1 percent of gross domestic product - the lowest collection level since 1936, or three-quarters of a century ago. In 2010, it edged up to a puny 1.3 percent - the second-lowest since 1940. Even worse, the shriveled tax collections came at a time when corporations were registering an all-time high in profits. At the end of 2010, corporations posted an annualized profit of $1.65 trillion in the fourth quarter. In other words, the more they made, the less they paid.

As for the corporate share of total income taxes paid by businesses and individuals, it has plummeted from 40 percent in 1950, the dawn of Middle America's golden age, to 18 percent last year.

The numbers tell us that a lot of politicians, including would-be presidential candidates, are mathematically challenged.


The corporate numbers also explain why hardworking Americans are on a greased downward slope from which they are unlikely to recover, as long as the lawmakers and deal-makers in Washington not only refuse to ease their plight, but also continue to pile on, compelling them alone to pay for the country's massive deficit while simultaneously chipping away at their safety nets.



You rightwing, deluded morons have made it painfully hard to defend tax cuts and what simply amounts to corporate welfare, for big business, I seriously believe that the only reason you jackasses continue to defend and promote lies is just to save face from telling the American people they've been bamboozled and hoodwinked.
 
The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world:
AEI - Report Card on Effective Corporate Tax Rates

Plus, companies have State taxes and when applicable, city taxes. In China and Japan for example, corporations pay their Government tax and that's it!

As an individual I pay Federal, State and City taxes and that aint good either, but I guess that comes under the Liberal idea of "everyone must pay their fair share" and "shared sacrifice". Thanks Leftwing Deluded Morons! :clap2:
 
The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world:
AEI - Report Card on Effective Corporate Tax Rates

Plus, companies have State taxes and when applicable, city taxes. In China and Japan for example, corporations pay their Government tax and that's it!

As an individual I pay Federal, State and City taxes and that aint good either, but I guess that comes under the Liberal idea of "everyone must pay their fair share" and "shared sacrifice". Thanks Leftwing Deluded Morons! :clap2:

Reality:


One of the more egregious falsehoods being peddled by the corporate tax cutters is that companies doing business in the United States are taxed at an exorbitant rate. Not so. Though the United States has one of the highest statutory rates on the books at 35 percent, the only fair way to measure what companies actually pay is their effective rate - what they ultimately pay after deductions, credits, and assorted write-offs. By that yardstick, companies in the United States consistently pay taxes at rates lower than corporations in Japan and many nations in Europe.
 
Liberals think that we can just tax a few millionaires and the "evil rich" and we'll be out of debt. They call it "shared sacrifice" and "paying your fair share". Ok, lets look at something.

What is the National Debt?:
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
14.2 Trillion Dollars
What is the US GDP? (Market value of all goods and services from a nation in a given year)
List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14.1 Trillion Dollars
The US Government could confiscate all goods and services, everything we have, and STILL NOT pay off the national debt. They would come up 100 Billion dollars short.

So as you can see the idea that government can tax the rich to pay off the debt is patently wrong.
 
America's 2-class tax system | Philadelphia Inquirer | 04/17/2011


"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."


A rare moment of honesty for rightwing Republitards.


One of the more egregious falsehoods being peddled by the corporate tax cutters is that companies doing business in the United States are taxed at an exorbitant rate. Not so. Though the United States has one of the highest statutory rates on the books at 35 percent, the only fair way to measure what companies actually pay is their effective rate - what they ultimately pay after deductions, credits, and assorted write-offs. By that yardstick, companies in the United States consistently pay taxes at rates lower than corporations in Japan and many nations in Europe.

During the 1950s, the decade in which more people joined the middle class than at any time in history - before or since - corporations paid 49 percent of their profits in taxes. Last year, it was about half that rate, a decidedly more modest 26 percent. In 2010, corporate tax collections totaled $191 billion - down 8 percent from $207 billion as recently as 2000.

Perhaps a more telling yardstick, corporate tax revenue in 2009 came to just 1 percent of gross domestic product - the lowest collection level since 1936, or three-quarters of a century ago. In 2010, it edged up to a puny 1.3 percent - the second-lowest since 1940. Even worse, the shriveled tax collections came at a time when corporations were registering an all-time high in profits. At the end of 2010, corporations posted an annualized profit of $1.65 trillion in the fourth quarter. In other words, the more they made, the less they paid.

As for the corporate share of total income taxes paid by businesses and individuals, it has plummeted from 40 percent in 1950, the dawn of Middle America's golden age, to 18 percent last year.

The numbers tell us that a lot of politicians, including would-be presidential candidates, are mathematically challenged.


The corporate numbers also explain why hardworking Americans are on a greased downward slope from which they are unlikely to recover, as long as the lawmakers and deal-makers in Washington not only refuse to ease their plight, but also continue to pile on, compelling them alone to pay for the country's massive deficit while simultaneously chipping away at their safety nets.



You rightwing, deluded morons have made it painfully hard to defend tax cuts and what simply amounts to corporate welfare, for big business, I seriously believe that the only reason you jackasses continue to defend and promote lies is just to save face from telling the American people they've been bamboozled and hoodwinked.

You libturds did it to yourself and are so moronic all you know to do is mindlessly blame rebublicans. See that's the sign of a failed man, he is incabable of holding himself responsible for his choices. The first thing you fucked up was in joining the libturds.
 
Liberals think that we can just tax a few millionaires and the "evil rich" and we'll be out of debt. They call it "shared sacrifice" and "paying your fair share". Ok, lets look at something.

What is the National Debt?:
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
14.2 Trillion Dollars
What is the US GDP? (Market value of all goods and services from a nation in a given year)
List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14.1 Trillion Dollars
The US Government could confiscate all goods and services, everything we have, and STILL NOT pay off the national debt. They would come up 100 Billion dollars short.

So as you can see the idea that government can tax the rich to pay off the debt is patently wrong.

What are the businesses actually paying monkey, forget about the rates on the books, what are they actually paying? I'll give you one example of what they're paying:


General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News


They're paying so damn much aren't they? Stupid monkey, now defend that.
 
What caused today's budget deficit?

Wall Street greed, two unpaid-for wars, huge tax breaks for rich corporations and individuals, multi-trillion dollar taxpayer bailouts of "too big to fail" banks and "an unfunded Medicare Part D prescription drug program written by the insurance and drug companies."

“Meanwhile, while the wealthiest people in this country and the largest corporations are doing extremely well, the Republicans want more giant tax breaks for the very rich as they move to balance the budget on the backs of the sick, the elderly, the children and by cutting environmental protection and infrastructure.

"This is morally unacceptable and very bad economics."

Bernie Sanders: Wealthiest Americans and Corporations Should Pay Their Fair Share for Democracy | BuzzFlash.org
 
Corporate tax receipts plunge 31% in 1st Quarter of 2011:
News Headlines
As corporate earnings season fires up, a piece of data from the U.S. Treasury could be a warning shot for stock market investors. Federal corporate income tax receipts plunged 31% in the first quarter of 2011 from a year earlier, a potential indicator of weaker-than-expected Q1 corporate profits.
In case you didn't know, the US Treasury is the place where businesses, who pay taxes quarterly, send their checks to. It's down 31%. That means businesses are making less money. That means business is slowing down. More than likely the double dip recession as the government stimulus wears off.

What's the Liberal idea for fixing this? Take more money from them of course! Which is the exact opposite of what they should do!

Apparently "shared sacrifice" doesn't apply to government.
 
The only way for me to reduce the effective rate within my corporation is to spend money.

That money spent goes for goods and services that I need in order to manufacture what I sell.

The goods and services that I purchase in this manner in turn result in the employment of others.
 
The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world:
AEI - Report Card on Effective Corporate Tax Rates

Plus, companies have State taxes and when applicable, city taxes. In China and Japan for example, corporations pay their Government tax and that's it!

As an individual I pay Federal, State and City taxes and that aint good either, but I guess that comes under the Liberal idea of "everyone must pay their fair share" and "shared sacrifice". Thanks Leftwing Deluded Morons! :clap2:

How in the FUCK can you defend the complicated bullshit we call a tax code! I mean aside from the direct creation of so many jobs for lawyers and accountants?

When taxes are simple, taxes will be fair. When taxes are fair and simple, the American economy will ROCK. Until then we flounder, a house divided.

Simplify the tax code.

7 + 7 on 3

7% general sales tax on every retail transaction
+
7% income tax on individual earnings in excess of $3 million per year.

No corporate tax (other than the sales tax on purchases), no deductions, no bullshit loop holes, no businesses or industries with "special incentives" or credits.
 
Liberals think that we can just tax a few millionaires and the "evil rich" and we'll be out of debt. They call it "shared sacrifice" and "paying your fair share". Ok, lets look at something.

What is the National Debt?:
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
14.2 Trillion Dollars
What is the US GDP? (Market value of all goods and services from a nation in a given year)
List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14.1 Trillion Dollars
The US Government could confiscate all goods and services, everything we have, and STILL NOT pay off the national debt. They would come up 100 Billion dollars short.

So as you can see the idea that government can tax the rich to pay off the debt is patently wrong.

I really don't think anyone is talking about taxing the wealthy a little bit more so we can pay off the debt overnight. But it is part of the equation along with a good number of cuts so that we can at least get back to running on a balanced or close to balanced budget.
 
What are the businesses actually paying monkey, forget about the rates on the books, what are they actually paying? I'll give you one example of what they're paying:
General Electric Paid No Federal Taxes in 2010 - ABC News
They're paying so damn much aren't they? Stupid monkey, now defend that.
What you don't know could fill volumes AssMaster (V.2):
What The Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes - Forbes.com
But it's the tax benefit of overseas operations that is the biggest reason why multinationals end up with lower tax rates than the rest of us. It only makes sense that multinationals "put costs in high-tax countries and profits in low-tax countries," says Scott Hodge, president of the Tax Foundation. Those low-tax countries are almost anywhere but the U.S. "When you add in state taxes, the U.S. has the highest tax burden among industrialized countries," says Hodge. In contrast, China's rate is just 25%; Ireland's is 12.5%.
So the US needs to revise it's tax laws and enforce its trade laws.
Obama less interested in U.S. jobs than his campaign war chest | The Post and Courier, Charleston SC - News, Sports, Entertainment
President Obama recently said on the campaign trail: “I don’t wake up in the morning that I don’t think of jobs. I don’t go to sleep at night without thinking of jobs.” Pretty words — but President Obama is the reason we don’t have jobs. Only the president can enforce the trade laws, and President Obama avoids enforcement like the plague. Enforcement would limit offshore profits, which would limit campaign contributions, which would ruin Obama’s drive to raise $1 billion in campaign contributions.
China is not the enemy. China is developing a strong economy with controlled trade like the United States did in the early days. We didn’t pass the income tax until 1913. For the first hundred years we financed and built these United States with trade tariffs, causing Edmund Morris to report in “Theodore Rex”: “This first year of the new century found her [U.S.] worth twenty-five billion dollars more than her nearest rival, Great Britain, with a gross national product more than twice that of Germany and Russia.” President Theodore Roosevelt exclaimed: “Thank God, I’m not a free trader.”
China uses every twist and turn in the trade laws to develop its economy. The U.S. doesn’t call China on it because this would limit corporate profits, which would limit campaign contributions. Both the president and Trump are as confused as Hogan’s goat. Like Pogo, we’ve met the enemy, and it is us.
 
The only way for me to reduce the effective rate within my corporation is to spend money.

That money spent goes for goods and services that I need in order to manufacture what I sell.

The goods and services that I purchase in this manner in turn result in the employment of others.
Wrong! You need less money from the git go! Government should take more money from you, that way the economy will heal itself! :uhoh3:
 
Liberals think that we can just tax a few millionaires and the "evil rich" and we'll be out of debt. They call it "shared sacrifice" and "paying your fair share". Ok, lets look at something.

What is the National Debt?:
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
14.2 Trillion Dollars
What is the US GDP? (Market value of all goods and services from a nation in a given year)
List of countries by GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
14.1 Trillion Dollars
The US Government could confiscate all goods and services, everything we have, and STILL NOT pay off the national debt. They would come up 100 Billion dollars short.

So as you can see the idea that government can tax the rich to pay off the debt is patently wrong.

I really don't think anyone is talking about taxing the wealthy a little bit more so we can pay off the debt overnight. But it is part of the equation along with a good number of cuts so that we can at least get back to running on a balanced or close to balanced budget.

Fair & Simple Tax Code + spending that makes sense / Pay off the Chinese VISA Card / Send our children to the Stars.
 
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You rightwing, deluded morons have made it painfully hard to defend tax cuts and what simply amounts to corporate welfare, for big business, I seriously believe that the only reason you jackasses continue to defend and promote lies is just to save face from telling the American people they've been bamboozled and hoodwinked.

and the left has been doing something about this the last 50 years or so....right Bass?..and if you believe they are now......there is only one person here being bamboozled and hoodwinked......you the so-called Conservative.....
 
The only way for me to reduce the effective rate within my corporation is to spend money.

That money spent goes for goods and services that I need in order to manufacture what I sell.

The goods and services that I purchase in this manner in turn result in the employment of others.
Wrong! You need less money from the git go! Government should take more money from you, that way the economy will heal itself! :uhoh3:

It's not 'higher taxes' or 'lower taxes' for any one group - It's simple and fair taxes for ALL groups.

Simplify the code and the fairness will follow. Until then we're ALL talking bullshit smoke & mirrors.
 
National Debt: 14,200,000,000,000.00
G.E Profits: 5,100,000,000.00

If Government were to confiscate ALL of G.E.'s profit the National Debt would be:

14,194,900,000,000.00
 
You rightwing, deluded morons have made it painfully hard to defend tax cuts and what simply amounts to corporate welfare, for big business, I seriously believe that the only reason you jackasses continue to defend and promote lies is just to save face from telling the American people they've been bamboozled and hoodwinked.

and the left has been doing something about this the last 50 years or so....right Bass?..and if you believe they are now......there is only one person here being bamboozled and hoodwinked......you the so-called Conservative.....

So the last bastion of the proven to be bullshit "Trickle Down Theory of Economics" is the Republican Party... Who could have predicted that one?

The fun part is watching people leave the republican party as they look at the graphs of "Tax cuts for the wealthy -vs- Jobs created in the USA" over the last decade.

The sad part is knowing their political choices once they wise up.
 
National Debt: 14,200,000,000,000.00
G.E Profits: 5,100,000,000.00

If Government were to confiscate ALL of G.E.'s profit the National Debt would be:

14,194,900,000,000.00

You're missing the point to the extent of being obtuse - you can't POSSIBLY be this stupid. That leaves stubborn. You have my pity.
 
National Debt: 14,200,000,000,000.00
G.E Profits: 5,100,000,000.00

If Government were to confiscate ALL of G.E.'s profit the National Debt would be:

14,194,900,000,000.00

And if the government were to confiscate all of an average American's profit, the debt would be 14,199,956,000.00, so let's just abolish all taxes.
 

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