Americans and Brits start telling some truth about events in SE Ukraine

[Stratford57]

Americans and Brits start telling and showing some truth about events in SE Ukraine and real official Kiev’s face.

Today Western Media has released more news from Ukraine with the point of view, which certainly differs to the one Western audience is used to hear for the whole last year.

1. Sky News, Britain: As the fighting in eastern Ukraine intensifies, humanitarian conditions in the region are deteriorating.
The Ukrainian government has cut off pensions and other social payments to those living in rebel-controlled areas like Donetsk.
Some of the families in Donetsk have been living in underground shelters since July, too frightened to let their children play outside or go to school.
"They started to shell us from the Ukrainian side," Luba, one of the mothers, said.
Ukraine Daily Struggle On Conflict s Front Line (be sure to watch both videos attached)

2. National Interest, USA: From the very start of the Ukraine crisis, Washington’s neoconservative lobby has sought to downplay the less appealing aspects of the government that came to power in Kiev in February.
But examples of the new authoritarianism gripping Kiev have become tougher to miss in recent months, so much so that there are signs that perhaps even the Washington establishment is begin to feel some discomfiture at the actions of its new Ukrainian clients.
Also this article tells how comfortable Ukrainian nationalists (basically Nazis followers) are feeling in Ukraine now. And just think: in the country, where Nazis feel comfortable, how comfortable should normal people (who are not Nazis) feel?
Ukraine Exposed Kiev s Authoritarianism The National Interest

3. The man who claims to be, and sounds like, an American appeared on a three minute video released on YouTube by a media outlet associated with the Vostok Battalion, one of the main separatist groups fighting against Ukrainian troops.

“I arrived here to help, help New Russia, Novorossiya, become an independent state,” he said in response to a question by someone behind the camera. Novorossiya is the tsar-era name for the region favored by the separatists.

Hunter, who did not provide his last name in the video, said he joined the Vostok Battalion in the city of Donetsk “about a month” ago. It appears that he does not yet speak Russian, as the questions were translated for him and he responded in English.

He urged other Westerners to join him.

“People with U.S. military experience would be very valuable here,” he said.

Asked for his views on the conflict, Hunter admitted his knowledge of the situation is “limited,” but blamed the Ukrainian government for ignoring the will of the people.

“It seems to be a very simple, straightforward situation and the Kiev junta does not necessarily, I believe, reflect, they don’t, they don’t consider the popular opinion of the people of Donbass,” he said, referring the common name of the region.

He suggested, as a solution, that Ukrainian authorities cede the territory in the east.

“It’d be better for everybody if they’d just come to a peaceful resolution. Give a reasonable amount of territory to the new state of Novorussia and, you know, make a peaceful, peaceful arrangement,” he said.

There had been at least one other American fighting in Ukraine, but on the other side of the conflict.

American Fighting With Ukraine Rebels Urges Others to Join Him - ABC News

 

[Donald Polish]

Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Americans and Brits start telling and showing some truth about events in SE Ukraine and real official Kiev’s face.

Today Western Media has released more news from Ukraine with the point of view, which certainly differs to the one Western audience is used to hear for the whole last year.

1. Sky News, Britain: As the fighting in eastern Ukraine intensifies, humanitarian conditions in the region are deteriorating.
The Ukrainian government has cut off pensions and other social payments to those living in rebel-controlled areas like Donetsk.
Some of the families in Donetsk have been living in underground shelters since July, too frightened to let their children play outside or go to school.
"They started to shell us from the Ukrainian side," Luba, one of the mothers, said.
Ukraine Daily Struggle On Conflict s Front Line (be sure to watch both videos attached)

2. National Interest, USA: From the very start of the Ukraine crisis, Washington’s neoconservative lobby has sought to downplay the less appealing aspects of the government that came to power in Kiev in February.
But examples of the new authoritarianism gripping Kiev have become tougher to miss in recent months, so much so that there are signs that perhaps even the Washington establishment is begin to feel some discomfiture at the actions of its new Ukrainian clients.
Also this article tells how comfortable Ukrainian nationalists (basically Nazis followers) are feeling in Ukraine now. And just think: in the country, where Nazis feel comfortable, how comfortable should normal people (who are not Nazis) feel?
Ukraine Exposed Kiev s Authoritarianism The National Interest

3. The man who claims to be, and sounds like, an American appeared on a three minute video released on YouTube by a media outlet associated with the Vostok Battalion, one of the main separatist groups fighting against Ukrainian troops.

“I arrived here to help, help New Russia, Novorossiya, become an independent state,” he said in response to a question by someone behind the camera. Novorossiya is the tsar-era name for the region favored by the separatists.

Hunter, who did not provide his last name in the video, said he joined the Vostok Battalion in the city of Donetsk “about a month” ago. It appears that he does not yet speak Russian, as the questions were translated for him and he responded in English.

He urged other Westerners to join him.

“People with U.S. military experience would be very valuable here,” he said.

Asked for his views on the conflict, Hunter admitted his knowledge of the situation is “limited,” but blamed the Ukrainian government for ignoring the will of the people.

“It seems to be a very simple, straightforward situation and the Kiev junta does not necessarily, I believe, reflect, they don’t, they don’t consider the popular opinion of the people of Donbass,” he said, referring the common name of the region.

He suggested, as a solution, that Ukrainian authorities cede the territory in the east.

“It’d be better for everybody if they’d just come to a peaceful resolution. Give a reasonable amount of territory to the new state of Novorussia and, you know, make a peaceful, peaceful arrangement,” he said.

There had been at least one other American fighting in Ukraine, but on the other side of the conflict.

American Fighting With Ukraine Rebels Urges Others to Join Him - ABC News

If Pooty Poot stopped invading his neighbors, things would be better.

 

[Menerva Lindsen]

Americans and Brits start telling and showing some truth about events in SE Ukraine and real official Kiev’s face.

Today Western Media has released more news from Ukraine with the point of view, which certainly differs to the one Western audience is used to hear for the whole last year.

1. Sky News, Britain: As the fighting in eastern Ukraine intensifies, humanitarian conditions in the region are deteriorating.
The Ukrainian government has cut off pensions and other social payments to those living in rebel-controlled areas like Donetsk.
Some of the families in Donetsk have been living in underground shelters since July, too frightened to let their children play outside or go to school.
"They started to shell us from the Ukrainian side," Luba, one of the mothers, said.
Ukraine Daily Struggle On Conflict s Front Line (be sure to watch both videos attached)

2. National Interest, USA: From the very start of the Ukraine crisis, Washington’s neoconservative lobby has sought to downplay the less appealing aspects of the government that came to power in Kiev in February.
But examples of the new authoritarianism gripping Kiev have become tougher to miss in recent months, so much so that there are signs that perhaps even the Washington establishment is begin to feel some discomfiture at the actions of its new Ukrainian clients.
Also this article tells how comfortable Ukrainian nationalists (basically Nazis followers) are feeling in Ukraine now. And just think: in the country, where Nazis feel comfortable, how comfortable should normal people (who are not Nazis) feel?
Ukraine Exposed Kiev s Authoritarianism The National Interest

3. The man who claims to be, and sounds like, an American appeared on a three minute video released on YouTube by a media outlet associated with the Vostok Battalion, one of the main separatist groups fighting against Ukrainian troops.

“I arrived here to help, help New Russia, Novorossiya, become an independent state,” he said in response to a question by someone behind the camera. Novorossiya is the tsar-era name for the region favored by the separatists.

Hunter, who did not provide his last name in the video, said he joined the Vostok Battalion in the city of Donetsk “about a month” ago. It appears that he does not yet speak Russian, as the questions were translated for him and he responded in English.

He urged other Westerners to join him.

“People with U.S. military experience would be very valuable here,” he said.

Asked for his views on the conflict, Hunter admitted his knowledge of the situation is “limited,” but blamed the Ukrainian government for ignoring the will of the people.

“It seems to be a very simple, straightforward situation and the Kiev junta does not necessarily, I believe, reflect, they don’t, they don’t consider the popular opinion of the people of Donbass,” he said, referring the common name of the region.

He suggested, as a solution, that Ukrainian authorities cede the territory in the east.

“It’d be better for everybody if they’d just come to a peaceful resolution. Give a reasonable amount of territory to the new state of Novorussia and, you know, make a peaceful, peaceful arrangement,” he said.

There had been at least one other American fighting in Ukraine, but on the other side of the conflict.

American Fighting With Ukraine Rebels Urges Others to Join Him - ABC News

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

 

[william the wie]

What is fact is that the Ukraine is collapsing.

 

[Stratford57]

UOTE="Donald Polish, post: 10653715, member: 52356"]Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.[/QUOTE]

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine.

You have a picture of the ballot? Or the wording of all the choices?

clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February?

You mean after Putin's puppet fled and the parliament voted for new elections?

At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict

I know, hard to believe that Russian military would take their equipment, including tanks, into Ukraine without permission, but that had to be what happened. LOL!

 

[Stratford57]

As a resident of Ukraine I can tell you: to us it certainly looks like USA officials are trying to invade Ukraine and to use it like a pawn to give Russia an additional headache. They sure don't care how many people in Ukraine will die in their dirty game. And to distract the world's attention they are loudly blaming Putin, who doesn't have anything to do with the Ukrainian crisis. If you ask Donbass people, they will quickly explain to you who's trying to invade them and whose tanks, Grads, Uragans and even ballistic rockets "Tochka-U" are shelling them.

By the way, the guy, who interviews the people in the street, is Graham Phillips, a British journalist. He personally arrived to Donbass (SE Ukraine) to find out what's the truth and what's not.

 

[MACAULAY]

Russia has used it agents (including its own soldiers) to start a Civil War in Ukraine, and this horseshit in the O.P. is the Russian propaganda associated with it. The Appeasers in England wrote similar nonsense defending Hitler's surreptitious foments in neighboring countries leading up to WWII.

Grant and Sherman shelled Atlanta back in the day. There was a reason for it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As a resident of Ukraine I can tell you: to us it certainly looks like USA officials are trying to invade Ukraine and to use it like a pawn to give Russia an additional headache. They sure don't care how many people in Ukraine will die in their dirty game. And to distract the world's attention they are loudly blaming Putin, who doesn't have anything to do with the Ukrainian crisis. If you ask Donbass people, they will quickly explain to you who's trying to invade them and whose tanks, Grads, Uragans and even ballistic rockets "Tochka-U" are shelling them.

By the way, the guy, who interviews the people in the street, is Graham Phillips, a British journalist. He personally arrived to Donbass (SE Ukraine) to find out what's the truth and what's not.

And to distract the world's attention they are loudly blaming Putin, who doesn't have anything to do with the Ukrainian crisis.

Russian propaganda, always one of their biggest exports.
Won't save their economy from sinking oil and world sanctions.
Poor little Pooty.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As a resident of Ukraine I can tell you: to us it certainly looks like USA officials are trying to invade Ukraine and to use it like a pawn to give Russia an additional headache. They sure don't care how many people in Ukraine will die in their dirty game. And to distract the world's attention they are loudly blaming Putin, who doesn't have anything to do with the Ukrainian crisis. If you ask Donbass people, they will quickly explain to you who's trying to invade them and whose tanks, Grads, Uragans and even ballistic rockets "Tochka-U" are shelling them.

By the way, the guy, who interviews the people in the street, is Graham Phillips, a British journalist. He personally arrived to Donbass (SE Ukraine) to find out what's the truth and what's not.

Graham Phillips, a British journalist

Who works for Pooty Putin's propaganda outfit, Russia today. LOL!

Because I work for RT Graham Phillips deported from Ukraine RT News

 

[tinydancer]

Kiev is evil. And the west is to blame for overthrowing a duly elected President and government.

I will never forgive my government for backing this coup and for not saying anything about their constant bombardment of SE Ukraine.

Think about it. Our leaders bitched about 70 killed in Maiden square (Including police) and pushed the overthrow but say nothing at all about the thousands of civilians murdered by Kiev in the SE.

Disgusting.

 

[tinydancer]

Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine.

You have a picture of the ballot? Or the wording of all the choices?

clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February?

You mean after Putin's puppet fled and the parliament voted for new elections?

At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict



I know, hard to believe that Russian military would take their equipment, including tanks, into Ukraine without permission, but that had to be what happened. LOL!

Normally we are on the same page Toddster, but on this issue I beg to differ.

This was a coup that took place in Kiev. And it was unconstitutional.

 

[william the wie]

Kiev is evil. And the west is to blame for overthrowing a duly elected President and government.

I will never forgive my government for backing this coup and for not saying anything about their constant bombardment of SE Ukraine.

Think about it. Our leaders bitched about 70 killed in Maiden square (Including police) and pushed the overthrow but say nothing at all about the thousands of civilians murdered by Kiev in the SE.

Disgusting.

Well the President deposed by the NAZIs ruled almost as unconstitutionally as Obama in the US.

 

[tinydancer]

It's amazing that more countries have not bashed the illegal and unconstitutional coup that occurred.

Not following your own constitution is sort of a "biggie" for anyone who wants to even remotely appear to be legitimate.

Geeze louise it's out there in black and white in the Ukrainian Constitution on how they were to go about impeaching and removing the duly elected President from power and even when I have presented the Constitution many posters just shrug it off as if it means nothing.

And that attitude doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy. Even if we don't like a certain President or Prime Minister of a country we should never back an illegal coup.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine.

You have a picture of the ballot? Or the wording of all the choices?

clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February?

You mean after Putin's puppet fled and the parliament voted for new elections?

At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict



I know, hard to believe that Russian military would take their equipment, including tanks, into Ukraine without permission, but that had to be what happened. LOL!

Normally we are on the same page Toddster, but on this issue I beg to differ.

This was a coup that took place in Kiev. And it was unconstitutional.

Yes, it was very sad when Pooty's puppet fled the country he'd been looting.
Fled to Russia. What was the vote to remove him? 100%?
Sorry, Vlad should get his fucking troops out of Ukraine. Commie bastard!

 

[katsung47]

“Panic in Kiev: Ukrainian forces surrender Donbass”
January 25, 2015


International observers report of growing panic in Kiev in connection with the successful counteroffensive of the separatists near Donbass.

Over a week of fighting the partisans have delivered a heavy blow to the Ukrainian forces. The group of Ukrainian fighters in Donbas suffered huge losses, the soldiers are demoralized, the officers are confused and unable to control the situation.


http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/01/panic-in-kiev.html

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Kiev is evil. And the west is to blame for overthrowing a duly elected President and government.

I will never forgive my government for backing this coup and for not saying anything about their constant bombardment of SE Ukraine.

Think about it. Our leaders bitched about 70 killed in Maiden square (Including police) and pushed the overthrow but say nothing at all about the thousands of civilians murdered by Kiev in the SE.

Disgusting.

but say nothing at all about the thousands of civilians murdered by Kiev in the SE.

Or the thousands murdered by Putin.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

“Panic in Kiev: Ukrainian forces surrender Donbass”
January 25, 2015


International observers report of growing panic in Kiev in connection with the successful counteroffensive of the separatists near Donbass.

Over a week of fighting the partisans have delivered a heavy blow to the Ukrainian forces. The group of Ukrainian fighters in Donbas suffered huge losses, the soldiers are demoralized, the officers are confused and unable to control the situation.


http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/01/panic-in-kiev.html

the successful counteroffensive of the "separatists"

The correct spelling is "Russian troops".

 

[tinydancer]

Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine.

You have a picture of the ballot? Or the wording of all the choices?

clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February?

You mean after Putin's puppet fled and the parliament voted for new elections?

At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict



I know, hard to believe that Russian military would take their equipment, including tanks, into Ukraine without permission, but that had to be what happened. LOL!

Normally we are on the same page Toddster, but on this issue I beg to differ.

This was a coup that took place in Kiev. And it was unconstitutional.

Yes, it was very sad when Pooty's puppet fled the country he'd been looting.
Fled to Russia. What was the vote to remove him? 100%?
Sorry, Vlad should get his fucking troops out of Ukraine. Commie bastard!

No Toddster. With all due respect they did not follow the constitutional requirements to legally remove him from office.

And knowing Svoboda and the Right Sector goons were hunting him, I don't blame him for running for his life. They would have killed him.