Americans and Brits start telling some truth about events in SE Ukraine

[Toddsterpatriot]

Munich Security Conference. Sergey Lavrov, Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs: US escalated Ukraine crisis at every stage, blamed Russia
“In the case of Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan our partners actively asked governments to enter into dialogue with the opposition, even if they were extremists. However, during the Ukrainian crisis, they act differently, making up excuses and try to justify the use of cluster bombs,” the Russian Foreign Minister said, who was speaking at a security conference in Munich on Saturday.
He pointed to the failure of the EU to engage Russia about Ukraine signing an economic association agreement with the bloc, Western involvement during the Maidan protests, the failure of the West to condemn Ukraine for calling its own citizens terrorists and for supporting a coup, which led to the toppling of a democratically elected president.

“The US made it public it brokered the transit of power in Ukraine. But we know perfectly well what exactly happened, who discussed candidates for the future Ukrainian government on the phone, who was at Maidan, and what is going on (in Ukraine) right now,”Lavrov said.

Despite these setbacks, Russia’s foreign minister says his country still wants and needs a normal relationship with the West.

The strategic partnership with the EU has “failed the test of durability,” Lavrov said. In turn, the US is “always trying to put the blame on Russia in complicated situations created by themselves.”

‘Military solution not the answer to Ukraine crisis’
There is some hope that a solution to the conflict may emerge, following German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande’s visit to Moscow for talks with Vladimir Putin. Announcements from Washington and NATO that they might provide Kiev with weaponry, which has long been sought by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, are thought to have galvanized parts of Europe to try at last to find a peaceful solution to the conflict.

Lavrov is adamant that a military solution is not the answer and would only inflame an already volatile situation. He added that Russia, Germany and France are ready to become guarantors of the agreements, if that can be achieved between the protagonists in the Ukraine crisis.

“If the main participants of the Minsk peace process, the Ukrainian authorities and the representatives of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, come to an understanding on every article of the Minsk agreements, I’m absolutely sure that Russia will be there to secure the guarantees of these agreements,”he said.

“No matter where, in the OSCE or the UN Security Council, I’m certain that both Germany and France are also ready to provide such guarantees.”

Lavrov spoke at length and on numerous occasions about the need for all countries to adhere to the Helsinki accords, which among other things, champions the self-determination of peoples and respect for human rights. He mentioned that European security is based on both the UN Charter and the Helsinki agreement, but has been sabotaged by the US and its allies.

‘Crimea had right to self-determination’
While the West has hit out at what it believes to be a Russian ‘annexation’ of Crimea, the Russian Foreign Minister says that the will of over 90 percent of the peninsula’s population has been ignored, pointing to a referendum in which residents almost unanimously voted to join Russia. He gave the example of Kosovo, which despite not holding a referendum, was allowed to leave Serbia and create its own state.

“In Crimea what happened complies with the UN Charter on self-determination,”the minister said.“The UN Charter has several principles, and the right of a nation for self-determination has a key position.”

Sergey Lavrov was also critical of the US for breaking the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF), which had been signed between the two countries, saying the global community was fully aware of Washington’s actions.

“During the creation of the global anti-missile shield, Washington expanded a large scale program that was designed to create target missiles, which were similar to those banned in the INF treaty, such as ground based ballistic missiles,”Russia’s foreign minister concluded.

Lavrov US escalated Ukraine crisis at every stage blamed Russia RT News

Thanks for the Kremlin line.

 

[Stratford57]

UKRAINE: Six Ways to Help Ukraine Resist Russia’s Latest Invasion

Wall Street Journal ^
Jan. 25, President Obama stated Separatists in Ukraine had “Russian backing, Russian equipment, Russian financing, Russian training and Russian troops,” and that he will “look at all additional options that are available short of military confrontation to address this issue.” All talk, as was Mr. Obama’s bragging in State of the Union address ...

Munich Security Conference. EU leaders did not support Obama’s administration decision to supply Ukraine with more weapons. In spite of Biden’s and McCain’s efforts everybody was applauding Merkel, when she made it clear: she was against supplying Ukraine with more weapons.

MUNICH (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday that sending weapons to help the Ukrainian government fight pro-Russian separatists would not help bring about a solution to the crisis.

"I understand the debate but I believe that more weapons will not lead to the progress Ukraine needs. I really doubt that," she told the Munich Security Conference after presenting a Franco-German peace initiative to Moscow on Friday.

"If it is true that it cannot be solved militarily, then I think we should focus our efforts on the other things. There is already a large number of weapons in the region and I don't see that this has made a military solution more likely."

Sending weapons to Ukraine won t help Merkel says - Yahoo News

 

[katsung47]

Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko call for Ceasefire as up to 8,000 Ukrainian Troops have been encircled
Mon, Feb 2nd, 2015
Europe / News | By nsnbc
http://nsnbc.me/2015/02/02/merkel-hollande-and-poroshenko-call-for-ceasefire-as-up-to-8000-ukrainian-troops-have-been-encircled/

 

[B. Kidd]

Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko call for Ceasefire as up to 8,000 Ukrainian Troops have been encircled
Mon, Feb 2nd, 2015
Europe / News | By nsnbc
http://nsnbc.me/2015/02/02/merkel-hollande-and-poroshenko-call-for-ceasefire-as-up-to-8000-ukrainian-troops-have-been-encircled/

Obama sat this one out. But he did call Putin yesterday threatening him with more consequences.
Putin had only one question for Obie:

Putin: Do you know difference between sex and a sandwich?

Obama: No.

Putin: Great.......let me bend you over table for nice grinder!

WH denies Putin asked question.

 

[Stratford57]

Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko call for Ceasefire as up to 8,000 Ukrainian Troops have been encircled
Mon, Feb 2nd, 2015
Europe / News | By nsnbc
http://nsnbc.me/2015/02/02/merkel-hollande-and-poroshenko-call-for-ceasefire-as-up-to-8000-ukrainian-troops-have-been-encircled/

Katsung, you've got a great point!!!

Why have Merkel and Hollande rushed to negotiate with Putin? There are at least 3 reasons for that.

1. Unlike official Washington, Europe doesn’t want any farther escalation of war in Ukraine. Everybody understands: if USA start supplying Ukraine with weapons, the war can break out of Ukrainian borders and spread to EU very quickly. Munich Security Conference. EU leaders did not support Obama’s administration decision to supply Ukraine with more weapons. In spite of Biden’s and McCain’s efforts everybody was applauding Merkel, when she made it clear: she was against supplying Ukraine with more weapons. Poroshenko obviously did not feel comfortable there.
MUNICH (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday that sending weapons to help the Ukrainian government fight pro-Russian separatists would not help bring about a solution to the crisis.

"I understand the debate but I believe that more weapons will not lead to the progress Ukraine needs. I really doubt that," she told the Munich Security Conference after presenting a Franco-German peace initiative to Moscow on Friday."If it is true that it cannot be solved militarily, then I think we should focus our efforts on the other things. There is already a large number of weapons in the region and I don't see that this has made a military solution more likely."

Sending weapons to Ukraine won t help Merkel says - Yahoo News

2. Past experience shows: Europe and USA start noticing the deaths of civilians and start talking about peace only when Ukrainian troops are close to defeat. Last August thousands Ukrainian troops were trapped in 2 pockets and the West rushed to insist on a ceasefire. A week ago about 8 thousand of Ukrainian troops have been trapped in Debaltsevo pocket and we see Merkel and Hollande urgently arriving to Moscow for negotiations.



3. IMF has loaned billions to Ukraine. If Ukraine splits, who will pay their money back? That’s why Europe is concerned so much about territorial integrity of Ukraine. Remember, 25 years ago Germany was so happy when its Western and Eastern parts reunited, why are they doing their best to prevent Eastern Ukraine (historical Russian lands, where mainly ethnic Russians live) to reunite with Russia? Why was there no war when Czechoslovakia split into several different countries?

A little bit of comparison of the facts + a little bit of thinking may help.

 

[Stratford57]

Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko call for Ceasefire as up to 8,000 Ukrainian Troops have been encircled
Mon, Feb 2nd, 2015
Europe / News | By nsnbc
http://nsnbc.me/2015/02/02/merkel-hollande-and-poroshenko-call-for-ceasefire-as-up-to-8000-ukrainian-troops-have-been-encircled/

Obama sat this one out. But he did call Putin yesterday threatening him with more consequences.
Putin had only one question for Obie:

Putin: Do you know difference between sex and a sandwich?

Obama: No.

Putin: Great.......let me bend you over table for nice grinder!

WH denies Putin asked question.

A couple of more fresh jokes.

^Translation:
Everybody, look at him! He's an addict.

^Translation:
Pete, have you either been sitting on a chocolate bar or have you finally seen real Russian troops in Ukraine?

 

[B. Kidd]

Count Chocula!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Merkel, Hollande and Poroshenko call for Ceasefire as up to 8,000 Ukrainian Troops have been encircled
Mon, Feb 2nd, 2015
Europe / News | By nsnbc
http://nsnbc.me/2015/02/02/merkel-hollande-and-poroshenko-call-for-ceasefire-as-up-to-8000-ukrainian-troops-have-been-encircled/

Katsung, you've got a great point!!!

Why have Merkel and Hollande rushed to negotiate with Putin? There are at least 3 reasons for that.

1. Unlike official Washington, Europe doesn’t want any farther escalation of war in Ukraine. Everybody understands: if USA start supplying Ukraine with weapons, the war can break out of Ukrainian borders and spread to EU very quickly. Munich Security Conference. EU leaders did not support Obama’s administration decision to supply Ukraine with more weapons. In spite of Biden’s and McCain’s efforts everybody was applauding Merkel, when she made it clear: she was against supplying Ukraine with more weapons. Poroshenko obviously did not feel comfortable there.
MUNICH (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Saturday that sending weapons to help the Ukrainian government fight pro-Russian separatists would not help bring about a solution to the crisis.

"I understand the debate but I believe that more weapons will not lead to the progress Ukraine needs. I really doubt that," she told the Munich Security Conference after presenting a Franco-German peace initiative to Moscow on Friday."If it is true that it cannot be solved militarily, then I think we should focus our efforts on the other things. There is already a large number of weapons in the region and I don't see that this has made a military solution more likely."

Sending weapons to Ukraine won t help Merkel says - Yahoo News

2. Past experience shows: Europe and USA start noticing the deaths of civilians and start talking about peace only when Ukrainian troops are close to defeat. Last August thousands Ukrainian troops were trapped in 2 pockets and the West rushed to insist on a ceasefire. A week ago about 8 thousand of Ukrainian troops have been trapped in Debaltsevo pocket and we see Merkel and Hollande urgently arriving to Moscow for negotiations.



3. IMF has loaned billions to Ukraine. If Ukraine splits, who will pay their money back? That’s why Europe is concerned so much about territorial integrity of Ukraine. Remember, 25 years ago Germany was so happy when its Western and Eastern parts reunited, why are they doing their best to prevent Eastern Ukraine (historical Russian lands, where mainly ethnic Russians live) to reunite with Russia? Why was there no war when Czechoslovakia split into several different countries?

A little bit of comparison of the facts + a little bit of thinking may help.

Everybody understands: if USA start supplying Ukraine with weapons, the war can break out of Ukrainian borders and spread to EU very quickly.

And we know how appeasing dictators stops war from breaking out.

why are they doing their best to prevent Eastern Ukraine (historical Russian lands, where mainly ethnic Russians live) to reunite with Russia?

Because nobody wants to "reunite" with Russia.
They're still trying to recover from the last time.

 

[georgephillip]

And we know how appeasing dictators stops war from breaking out.

Who told you that, Saddam or Gaddafi?
Maybe Dick Cheney can help?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And we know how appeasing dictators stops war from breaking out.

Who told you that, Saddam or Gaddafi?
Maybe Dick Cheney can help?

Neville Chamberlain told me.

 

[buddhallah_the_christ]

I don't understand why all of you are surprised. It was obvious from the outset that the US government not only support the Ukrainian crisis but also able to control it.

 

[georgephillip]

Neville Chamberlain told me.

What did Neville tell you about Charles Dawes, Wall Street, and your pal, Adolph?

 

[Stratford57]

Neville Chamberlain told me.

What did Neville tell you about Charles Dawes, Wall Street, and your pal, Adolph?

I've noticed, every time Toddster-the-Parrot comments something, he only demonstrates 2 things:
1. Putin is not his favorite hero;
2. Thinking is not his strongest side.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Neville Chamberlain told me.

What did Neville tell you about Charles Dawes, Wall Street, and your pal, Adolph?

Neville told me that georgephillip is difficult to understand while he's sucking Putin's dick.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Neville Chamberlain told me.

What did Neville tell you about Charles Dawes, Wall Street, and your pal, Adolph?

I've noticed, every time Toddster-the-Parrot comments something, he only demonstrates 2 things:
1. Putin is not his favorite hero;
2. Thinking is not his strongest side.

What's that, Ivan?

 

[georgephillip]

Neville told me that georgephillip is difficult to understand while he's sucking Putin's dick.

Neville must have mentioned how Charles Dawes and Owen Young discovered lending Americans' money to Germany made a few Wall Street parasites filthy rich between 1924 and 1931.

 

[georgephillip]

I've noticed, every time Toddster-the-Parrot comments something, he only demonstrates 2 things:
1. Putin is not his favorite hero;
2. Thinking is not his strongest side.

TP's too busy getting rich.

 

[katsung47]

Minsk-2 took place to rescue NATO mercenaries from entrapment in Donbass
13.02.2015
The Ukrainian army has been trying to unblock the Debaltsevo entrapment during the past two days. Well-trained, fresh units of the Ukrainian forces attempted to go on massive offensive, Artem Timchenko, an MP from Novorossiya, the Chairman of the Committee for International Relations, said an in interview with Pravda.Ru.

If militia forces manage keep their positions by February 15, the day of the armistice, then the 10,000-strong Ukrainian contingent (ten percent of them are foreign mercenaries) blocked in the Debaltsevo entrapment may disrupt the Minsk agreement, the MP told Pravda.Ru. According to Timchenko, the initiatives of French President Hollande and German Chancellor Merkel to hold the Minsk-2 conference are related to the fact that there are NATO mercenaries and instructors in the entrapment.
http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/13-02-2015/129825-minsk_ukraine_nato-0/

 

[georgephillip]

"On Monday (February 23), the Ukrainian, Russian, German and French foreign ministers will meet in Paris for talks on the progress of the ceasefire in Ukraine’s crisis-torn east.

"In parts of the region, the fragile truce appears to be holding. This seems to be the case in Debaltseve, a strategically-positioned town likely to be on the ministers’ agenda in the talks.

"To help uphold the terms of the ceasefire, Ukrainian government troops left the town, leaving it under rebel control. It represents one of the military’s biggest defeats."

Ukraine Apparent calm in Debaltseve sees residents return home euronews world news