Americans and Brits start telling some truth about events in SE Ukraine

[NotfooledbyW]

No one recognizes the election in Crimea except Russia. United Nations does not recognize the election.

So what. Crimeans recognize their election and are satisfied with the results. That is all that matters and the rest of the world should have condemned the Maidan violence and violent overthrow of an an elected Presudent. Ukraine's Constitution was violated first by Ukrainians and Crimeans had every right to seperate from the right wing criminals in Kiev and western Ukraine.

 

[Stratford57]

I do not believe or trust your words. I saw no problems like you describe when I was in Crimea. No tanks making threats. Trouble did not start until Putin made it start. The apartment building I stayed in when in Donetsk is destroyed. Rebels put anti aircraft gun on the roof. Separatist bastards are like Muslim Jihadist, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist.. They set up their guns and rockets in the middle of civilians knowing when return fire from their attacks come it will kill civilians. They see this as propaganda victory. Terrorist do not go into the forest and mountains or fields to fight. They hide behind the women, children and old people in the cities and towns. Now my friends parents have lost their home and been forced to move away from the city they were born and raised in. Lucky their daughter has a flat in Kremenchuk so they have a place to live.
You think people in the west depend on only media sources for information. You are a fool. We have hundreds of thousands of people who travel to and from Russia, Ukraine and all over eastern Europe who give us accurate eyewitness up to date information. We talk to friends every day who are in the midst of the action. If we are not talking to them direct we are talking to their relatives who live here and communicate with their families everyday.
It is 21st Century. You and Putin are living in 20th Century still. You still think old style propaganda can work.

Putin and I... It’s a compliment... Thanks..
I also have been to Crimea a lot of times and know how much basically all of them were dreaming to be back to Russia. I am happy for them and wish we could do the same.
I also have friends in Donetsk, whose reports I examine almost every day. Their houses are ok at the moment, but many of their neighbors’ houses are ruined. Unlike your relatives and friends they understand: even if rebels stop answering Ukrainian fire, Ukrainians would not stop regardless. During 2 or 3 months of last year, rebels were trying not to shoot to much back, Ukrainians never stopped. And even if what I say does not convince you, tell me:

1. Why did official Kiev ignore the will of 7 million of its people, who voted on referendum with 85% last May about their independence and did not try to negotiate with the people instead of declaring a war on them? (USA also decided to separate from GB in 1776, so the world should now start calling Washington and Jefferson separatists and terrorists according to you?)

2. Why did Poroshenko issue a law to cut off Donbass citizens from all kinds of payments?

3. Why is Poroshenko demanding from EU to recognize all Donbass people as a terrorist organization? (7 million people in Donbass! Quite a terrorist organization! ISIS would be jealous.)

4. Why does Yatsenuk keep calling all Donbass people semi-people?

5. Is it Donbass people who came somewhere else to threaten Ukrainian Army or is it Ukrainian Army who came to Donbass last May? By then everybody there was absolutely disarmed, but Ukrainians arrived on a lot of tanks, for what reason? For peaceful negotiations?

All above looks more like an attempt to physically get rid of the people who dared to disagree with official Kiev. And finally,

6. What would you personally do to protect yourself from Ukrainian shelling? Did your relatives and friends have better suggestions, than those rebels on the roof?

And you know what, among the people I know also are the people who only think how to protect their own b*tts and some who think how to protect their Motherland. I’m glad, that among my friends the last type of people is predominate.

 

[Vigilante]

Ukrainian soldiers' forced to EAT their uniform after captured & humiliated [VIDEO]

Mailonline ^
Ukrainian soldiers' forced to EAT their uniform after they are captured and humiliated by Russian 'separatist' commander during battle for Donetsk airport [LINK TO VIDEO ] The video appears to show four terrified Ukrainian soldiers on their knees Man thought to be pro-Russian commander cuts badges off their uniform Waving a large, shining knife, he demands they begin to chew the material Rebels recently rejected peace deal and refused to agree more cease-fires 5,100 people believed to have died in conflict and over 1.5 million displaced A shocking video has emerged which appears to show a pro-Russian rebel commander force-feeding...

 

[Stratford57]

I guess the video ^ can raise different kinds of emotions. It's one thing if you are watching it sitting on a warm couch in a comfortable house, it's another thing if your house is ruined, your friends and possibly family members are killed (sometimes torn into pieces).
Here is a video of Lughansk after Ukrainians have bombed it from the air. Do you think they were caring much about whom they were going to kill: civilians or rebels?
So, how do you think they should have been treated when captured?


And here is another video, showing how Ukrainians were treating civilians in the areas they occupied after rebels had left them while retreating last summer.(last half of the video)

 

[hipeter924]

I do not believe or trust your words. I saw no problems like you describe when I was in Crimea. No tanks making threats. Trouble did not start until Putin made it start. The apartment building I stayed in when in Donetsk is destroyed. Rebels put anti aircraft gun on the roof. Separatist bastards are like Muslim Jihadist, Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist.. They set up their guns and rockets in the middle of civilians knowing when return fire from their attacks come it will kill civilians. They see this as propaganda victory. Terrorist do not go into the forest and mountains or fields to fight. They hide behind the women, children and old people in the cities and towns. Now my friends parents have lost their home and been forced to move away from the city they were born and raised in. Lucky their daughter has a flat in Kremenchuk so they have a place to live.
You think people in the west depend on only media sources for information. You are a fool. We have hundreds of thousands of people who travel to and from Russia, Ukraine and all over eastern Europe who give us accurate eyewitness up to date information. We talk to friends every day who are in the midst of the action. If we are not talking to them direct we are talking to their relatives who live here and communicate with their families everyday.
It is 21st Century. You and Putin are living in 20th Century still. You still think old style propaganda can work.

Putin and I... It’s a compliment... Thanks..
I also have been to Crimea a lot of times and know how much basically all of them were dreaming to be back to Russia. I am happy for them and wish we could do the same.
I also have friends in Donetsk, whose reports I examine almost every day. Their houses are ok at the moment, but many of their neighbors’ houses are ruined. Unlike your relatives and friends they understand: even if rebels stop answering Ukrainian fire, Ukrainians would not stop regardless. During 2 or 3 months of last year, rebels were trying not to shoot to much back, Ukrainians never stopped. And even if what I say does not convince you, tell me:

1. Why did official Kiev ignore the will of 7 million of its people, who voted on referendum with 85% last May about their independence and did not try to negotiate with the people instead of declaring a war on them? (USA also decided to separate from GB in 1776, so the world should now start calling Washington and Jefferson separatists and terrorists according to you?)

2. Why did Poroshenko issue a law to cut off Donbass citizens from all kinds of payments?

3. Why is Poroshenko demanding from EU to recognize all Donbass people as a terrorist organization? (7 million people in Donbass! Quite a terrorist organization! ISIS would be jealous.)

4. Why does Yatsenuk keep calling all Donbass people semi-people?

5. Is it Donbass people who came somewhere else to threaten Ukrainian Army or is it Ukrainian Army who came to Donbass last May? By then everybody there was absolutely disarmed, but Ukrainians arrived on a lot of tanks, for what reason? For peaceful negotiations?

All above looks more like an attempt to physically get rid of the people who dared to disagree with official Kiev. And finally,

6. What would you personally do to protect yourself from Ukrainian shelling? Did your relatives and friends have better suggestions, than those rebels on the roof?

And you know what, among the people I know also are the people who only think how to protect their own b*tts and some who think how to protect their Motherland. I’m glad, that among my friends the last type of people is predominate.

Ukraine's politicians are just as corrupt and populist as they were before the coup and recent election.

1) The Ukrainian government is popularist, meaning that the politicians in power will do anything to keep that power - even if Ukraine falls to pieces in the process.

2) The oligarchs would prefer that the war ended, but they are in a bind. They either support Kiev or lose their business, or support the rebels and get their business shelled at some point.

3) Nationalists on both sides are fueled by past greviances, real or perceived. When cease fires are established, they are broken because some person or military faction wants the war to continue.

4) Kiev won't even on principle consider negotiations over giving the rebels an independent state, and refuse to believe that they aren't in control of the situation. Some even believe they could take back all of Eastern Ukraine, and that the next offensive will win it back (even though it never does).

So the war just goes on, and on. People on the ground are just pawns to the politicians in Kiev, who demand the impossible from the military - and fail to realize the reality that parts of Eastern Ukraine are gone for good.

 

[Stratford57]

Obama Admits US "Brokered" Coup in Ukraine

CNN ^ | 02/01/2015 | n/a
'Brief' video clip at link. "...because he (President Putin) was caught, uh...off balance by the protests in the Maidan and, uh... Yanukovych (president voted by Ukrainian people) then fleeing after we've brokered a deal, uh... to transition power in Ukraine".

This 10 min video only confirms that Obama’s Administration has been standing behind Ukrainian crisis from its very beginning.

 

[Vigilante]

UKRAINE: Six Ways to Help Ukraine Resist Russia’s Latest Invasion

Wall Street Journal ^
Jan. 25, President Obama stated Separatists in Ukraine had “Russian backing, Russian equipment, Russian financing, Russian training and Russian troops,” and that he will “look at all additional options that are available short of military confrontation to address this issue.” All talk, as was Mr. Obama’s bragging in State of the Union address ... ...Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk —president of EU—tweeted after Mariupol attack: “Once again, appeasement encourages the aggressor to greater acts of violence. Time to step up our policy based on cold facts, not illusions.” The West needs to respond immediately... six recommendations, some U.S. can do...

 

[Stratford57]

What invasion are you imagining?

The one where Putin sent Russians into Ukraine.

In response to CIA agents in Kiev.

Your imaginary CIA agents in Ukraine do not authorize Putin sending tanks into Ukraine.

Ukraine's politicians are just as corrupt and populist as they were before the coup and recent election.

1) The Ukrainian government is popularist, meaning that the politicians in power will do anything to keep that power - even if Ukraine falls to pieces in the process.

2) The oligarchs would prefer that the war ended, but they are in a bind. They either support Kiev or lose their business, or support the rebels and get their business shelled at some point.

3) Nationalists on both sides are fueled by past greviances, real or perceived. When cease fires are established, they are broken because some person or military faction wants the war to continue.

4) Kiev won't even on principle consider negotiations over giving the rebels an independent state, and refuse to believe that they aren't in control of the situation. Some even believe they could take back all of Eastern Ukraine, and that the next offensive will win it back (even though it never does).

So the war just goes on, and on. People on the ground are just pawns to the politicians in Kiev, who demand the impossible from the military - and fail to realize the reality that parts of Eastern Ukraine are gone for good.

January 31, 2015 "ICH" - Ukraine’s top general is contradicting allegations by the Obama Administration and by his own Ukrainian Government, by saying that no Russian troops are fighting against the Ukrainian Government’s forces in the formerly Ukrainian, but now separatist, area, where the Ukrainian civil war is being waged.

The Chief of Staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces, General Viktor Muzhenko, is saying, in that news-report, which is dated on Thursday January 29th, that the only Russian citizens who are fighting in the contested region, are residents in that region, or of Ukraine, and also some Russian citizens (and this does not deny that perhaps some of other countries’ citizens are fighting there, inasmuch as American mercenaries have already been noted to have been participating on the Ukrainian Government’s side), who “are members of illegal armed groups,” meaning fighters who are not paid by any government, but instead are just “individual citizens” (as opposed to foreign-government-paid ones). General Muzhenko also says, emphatically, that the “Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian army.”
Information Clearing House - ICH

So, Obama is going to help official Kiev to keep killing its own 3,5 million people in “unruly” Donbass? Also official Washington is planning to give Ukraine 3 billion dollars assistance (1 billion a year) and that clearly means: Washington plans the war in Ukraine for another 3 years (at least)!

As for official Kiev, let’s imagine what happens if the war stops. Then:
1. the myth about “Russian aggression in Ukraine” will fall apart;
2. 3,5 million of Donbass people will start talking and telling the world about the war crimes of Ukrainian Army there;
3. the ordinary people of Ukraine will question the government: where is the money, IMF loaned to us?
4. the ordinary people of Ukraine will demand investigation of numerous crimes, such as:
- snipers’ case in Kiev, February, 2014 (watch the video in the post N 66 above);
- burning people alive in Odessa, May 2014;
- murdering about 40 militia men in Mariupol June 2014;
- killing thousands of civilians and fighters from both sides in Donbass since June 2014 until now.

All those crimes as well as many others were committed against Ukrainian citizens according to the coldblooded orders of official Kiev. And the list above potentially can be prolonged by shooting down Malaysian Boeing last July.

Here comes my question: do you think official Kiev is interested to ever stop the war? And do you think official Kiev’s patrons want the world to find out what kind of things all of them together were involved in? The fact is: it’s very easy to stop the war in Ukraine by just stopping financially assist those crooks in Kiev from the pockets of Western taxpayers. Think about it..

 

[william the wie]

The Ukraine is already facing anti-war protests so it won't make it three years.

 

[Camp]

The Ukraine is already facing anti-war protests so it won't make it three years.

Russia had anti war protest early when the war in Ukraine was just getting started. It is not so safe to be a protester against Putin in Russia. They have a different definition of what freedom is. Political prisoners learn the hard way.

bbc.com/news/world-europe-29300213

 

[turzovka]

UOTE="Donald Polish, post: 10653715, member: 52356"]Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

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I would like to know how all of those millions of Russians became citizens of the Ukraine? My understanding is that after Stalin and company starved the hell out of the Ukraines and shipped hundreds of thousands more off to Siberia that the Soviets repopulated the Crimea and the Ukraine with Russian people. And that is why
SouthEastern Ukraine is so heavily dominated by Russians. Which is also why they would vote to go Russian and not Western. Russia stacked the deck... yes or no?

 

[Stratford57]

Historically Eastern Ukraine has been a part of Russia. In 1920-s Lenin “added” it to Ukrainian Socialist Republic (within the USSR!) to increase amount of proletariat in Ukraine and later Khrushchev “added” Crimea to it for heck knows what reasons. But during the USSR time all ethnic Russians lived in the same country regardless, however after its collapse ethnic Russians found themselves in a foreign country, unfriendly to the Russian speaking people with only one official Ukrainian language.

In 1928, Stalin instituted a planned economy. His First Five Year Plan called for rapid industrialization and "collectivization" of small peasant farms under government control. To crush opposition to his program, which required peasant farmers to give their products to the government at low prices, Stalin exiled millions of peasant to labor camps in Siberia and instituted a program of terror called the Great Purge. Historians estimate that as many as 20 million Soviets died during the 1930s as a result of famine and deliberate killings.
Digital History

Yuschenko, another Ukrainian president (2005-2010), backed up by USA , decided to rewrite this period of history. According to him in 30-s the Soviets were starving Ukraine (unlike the other areas of the USSR) and the purpose of it was genocide of Ukrainians. But the truth is: there was a huge famine in the Soviet Union in 30-s as a result of a poor Stalin's internal policy and the people were starved and dying all over the Soviet Union,not only in Ukraine, Ukraine as a republic of the USSR was just a part of a whole picture.

Now a days the only thing officials in Ukraine keep rewriting its history, which tightly connects it to Russia. Actually Ukrainians are Russians, mixed up with Polish (Poland invaded a Western part of Russia and later Russia got it back, that how Ukraine appeared on the map and that's what officials in Ukraine are badly trying to wipe out of people's mind).

 

[Camp]

UOTE="Donald Polish, post: 10653715, member: 52356"]Why do you need wait for somebody to tell you about the truth? If you know that you are fed with lie will you accept it? American and Britain officials are successful in brainwashing own population. Do you seek for truth? Find it. Use different sources. Learn some languages. Speak to different people.

The Truth is objective, you know. BBC tells one story but you will hear an absolutely different story from CNN and Russia Today. We may compare facts and look for evidences. I can believe only my own eyes and ears.

As for me I do know the truth: I am from SE Ukraine. In May, 2014 Donbass (rebellious SE Ukraine) has had a referendum and with 85% voted for separation from Ukraine. (Remember, when the USSR split into 15 different countries, the officials in USA and Europe were pretty happy and did not even think to do anything to restore the USSR). And when 7 millions of people in SE Ukraine voted for separation last May and after that official Kiev started bombing their own people in Donbass, whose side official democRATS in Washington supported? You would think calling themselves democrats, they would support the choice of 7 millions in Dobass rather than a few clowns in Kiev, who came to the power after the unconstitutional coup last February? Instead they started sending their high ranked officials one after another (Biden, Nuland, Brennan, Hodges, etc.) to advise official Kiev how to better kill its own people in Donbass. At the same time they started unbelievable propaganda in their Media, spreading false information that Putin has anything to do with this conflict (without any trustworthy evidence!).

Obama, HANDS OFF UKRAINE !

People, if somebody shows you Russian tanks and tells: it’s an evidence for Russian aggression in Ukraine, try to find this picture on the Internet, it may have been taken actually in Russia and several years ago . That’s a common trick now: to show a real picture with the false explanation.

PEOPLE, STAY ALERT !

View attachment 36401

I would like to know how all of those millions of Russians became citizens of the Ukraine? My understanding is that after Stalin and company starved the hell out of the Ukraines and shipped hundreds of thousands more off to Siberia that the Soviets repopulated the Crimea and the Ukraine with Russian people. And that is why
SouthEastern Ukraine is so heavily dominated by Russians. Which is also why they would vote to go Russian and not Western. Russia stacked the deck... yes or no?[/QUOTE]
You say you had referendum vote and so people chose to leave Ukraine and become independent. Why do you think this is OK for people in SE Ukraine to do this? Portions of countries do not just decide to make this decision. When and if they do it causes civil war. That is why international community made guidelines and rules of fairness to be used. The international community prefers countries to resolve these internal problems themselves in a peaceful way. If voting is necessary for final solution there is a way to do this that includes observers and monitors and procedures to follow. Why would you think it is appropriate for SE Ukraine people to break the rules and choose to separate and secede from Ukraine in a way that would not be accepted anywhere in the world and is completely dependent on ignoring and breaking international law and process to be used for legal and peaceful separation? You say 7 million voted for separation and you know the truth because you were there. You were not there to watch 7 million people vote. Without monitors and neutral observers of this vote it means nothing and is rejected as a fraud. A fixed and fake election.

You claim Kiev began bombing citizens after election. After and even before election the rebels took over government buildings, including police and military facilities. Somehow the rebels obtained huge supplies of military equipment. From out of nowhere they possessed tanks, armor vehicles, everyone had weapons and official Ukraine forces were forced out of area as rebels declared they had this election and had the right to claim private property and distribute it the way they wanted. Suddenly these Russian officers from Russian military and police were the new leaders of this self proclaimed new Russia.

It is odd, not funny, odd, that you would admit the way Russian people populated the area of Ukraine you are fighting and claiming as Russian territory. Stalin starved the Ukrainian people to death during the purposely created famine he created, most of the people left living were shipped off to Siberia or swept up during WWII and the region you are fighting over was REPOPULATED with Russians. That is the excuse you use for ownership of a part of Ukraine the Russian people are attempting to steal. You killed everyone who lived there so now it belongs to you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Historically Eastern Ukraine has been a part of Russia. In 1920-s Lenin “added” it to Ukrainian Socialist Republic (within the USSR!) to increase amount of proletariat in Ukraine and later Khrushchev “added” Crimea to it for heck knows what reasons. But during the USSR time all ethnic Russians lived in the same country regardless, however after its collapse ethnic Russians found themselves in a foreign country, unfriendly to the Russian speaking people with only one official Ukrainian language.

In 1928, Stalin instituted a planned economy. His First Five Year Plan called for rapid industrialization and "collectivization" of small peasant farms under government control. To crush opposition to his program, which required peasant farmers to give their products to the government at low prices, Stalin exiled millions of peasant to labor camps in Siberia and instituted a program of terror called the Great Purge. Historians estimate that as many as 20 million Soviets died during the 1930s as a result of famine and deliberate killings.
Digital History

Yuschenko, another Ukrainian president (2005-2010), backed up by USA , decided to rewrite this period of history. According to him in 30-s the Soviets were starving Ukraine (unlike the other areas of the USSR) and the purpose of it was genocide of Ukrainians. But the truth is: there was a huge famine in the Soviet Union in 30-s as a result of a poor Stalin's internal policy and the people were starved and dying all over the Soviet Union,not only in Ukraine, Ukraine as a republic of the USSR was just a part of a whole picture.

Now a days the only thing officials in Ukraine keep rewriting its history, which tightly connects it to Russia. Actually Ukrainians are Russians, mixed up with Polish (Poland invaded a Western part of Russia and later Russia got it back, that how Ukraine appeared on the map and that's what officials in Ukraine are badly trying to wipe out of people's mind).

According to him in 30-s the Soviets were starving Ukraine (unlike the other areas of the USSR) and the purpose of it was genocide of Ukrainians. But the truth is: there was a huge famine in the Soviet Union in 30-s as a result of a poor Stalin's internal policy and the people were starved and dying all over the Soviet Union,not only in Ukraine,

I love this story!!
Ukraine should not fear falling under control of Russia, because they weren't targeted for mass starvation.
Russia wasn't evil, they were just stupid. And stupidly starved millions of Ukrainians..and Russians too.

Yeah, that's much better. LOL!
Fuck you, Ivan, you stupid Russian stooge.

 

[Stratford57]

You say you had referendum vote and so people chose to leave Ukraine and become independent. Why do you think this is OK for people in SE Ukraine to do this? Portions of countries do not just decide to make this decision. When and if they do it causes civil war. That is why international community made guidelines and rules of fairness to be used. The international community prefers countries to resolve these internal problems themselves in a peaceful way. If voting is necessary for final solution there is a way to do this that includes observers and monitors and procedures to follow. Why would you think it is appropriate for SE Ukraine people to break the rules and choose to separate and secede from Ukraine in a way that would not be accepted anywhere in the world and is completely dependent on ignoring and breaking international law and process to be used for legal and peaceful separation? You say 7 million voted for separation and you know the truth because you were there. You were not there to watch 7 million people vote. Without monitors and neutral observers of this vote it means nothing and is rejected as a fraud. A fixed and fake election.
You claim Kiev began bombing citizens after election. After and even before election the rebels took over government buildings, including police and military facilities. Somehow the rebels obtained huge supplies of military equipment. From out of nowhere they possessed tanks, armor vehicles, everyone had weapons and official Ukraine forces were forced out of area as rebels declared they had this election and had the right to claim private property and distribute it the way they wanted. Suddenly these Russian officers from Russian military and police were the new leaders of this self proclaimed new Russia.
It is odd, not funny, odd, that you would admit the way Russian people populated the area of Ukraine you are fighting and claiming as Russian territory. Stalin starved the Ukrainian people to death during the purposely created famine he created, most of the people left living were shipped off to Siberia or swept up during WWII and the region you are fighting over was REPOPULATED with Russians. That is the excuse you use for ownership of a part of Ukraine the Russian people are attempting to steal. You killed everyone who lived there so now it belongs to you.

Over 80 International observers came to Donbass to observe the referendum (from France, Italy, Germany, USA etc.). Many were invited but chose not to come. So, what? If Mohammed doesn’t want to go to the mountain, the mountain should come to Mohammed? As far as I know, elections in USA are usually held without any foreign observers and they are not too concerned about it.
The Donbass referendum 8211 yet another abject failure of US foreign policy The Vineyard of the Saker

I find it fascinating that some people like you don’t care about the will of 7 million people in Donbass or 3 million people in Crimea, but approve the unconstitutional coup in Kiev, accomplished by a 20 thousand person mob, including 2 thousand Nazis and controlled by a few local oligarchs. Oh, sorry, I forgot to mention a few more VIPs from USA (they must have belonged to Ukrainian people too?):
- Soros, who has paid for the mess to be possible;
- Victoria Nuland;
- John McCain;
- Jeffrey Pyatt.
Where is the common sense? Or at least any logic?

 

[Vigilante]

Russia Warns US Arms To Ukraine Will Cause 'Colossal Damage' To Ties

AFP via Yahoo ^
Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday warned the United States against sending weapons to Ukraine, saying such action would cause "colossal damage" to ties between the former Cold War foes. Moscow is "seriously concerned" by discussions in the West about possible arms supplies to Ukraine which is battling a pro-Kremlin insurgency, said foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Russia Warns US Arms To Ukraine Will Cause 'Colossal Damage' To Ties

AFP via Yahoo ^
Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday warned the United States against sending weapons to Ukraine, saying such action would cause "colossal damage" to ties between the former Cold War foes. Moscow is "seriously concerned" by discussions in the West about possible arms supplies to Ukraine which is battling a pro-Kremlin insurgency, said foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.

Oh no, is the reset button broken?

 

[Stratford57]

Russia Warns US Arms To Ukraine Will Cause 'Colossal Damage' To Ties

AFP via Yahoo ^
Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday warned the United States against sending weapons to Ukraine, saying such action would cause "colossal damage" to ties between the former Cold War foes. Moscow is "seriously concerned" by discussions in the West about possible arms supplies to Ukraine which is battling a pro-Kremlin insurgency, said foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.

Martin Sieff, three time Pulitzer Prize nominee for International Affairs: "Providing weapons to the Ukraine would be counterproductive."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Russia Warns US Arms To Ukraine Will Cause 'Colossal Damage' To Ties

AFP via Yahoo ^
Moscow (AFP) - Russia on Thursday warned the United States against sending weapons to Ukraine, saying such action would cause "colossal damage" to ties between the former Cold War foes. Moscow is "seriously concerned" by discussions in the West about possible arms supplies to Ukraine which is battling a pro-Kremlin insurgency, said foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.

Martin Sieff, three time Pulitzer Prize nominee for International Affairs: "Providing weapons to the Ukraine would be counterproductive."

Yes, it would make things tougher for Putin.

 

[Stratford57]

Munich Security Conference. Sergey Lavrov, Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs: US escalated Ukraine crisis at every stage, blamed Russia
“In the case of Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen and Sudan our partners actively asked governments to enter into dialogue with the opposition, even if they were extremists. However, during the Ukrainian crisis, they act differently, making up excuses and try to justify the use of cluster bombs,” the Russian Foreign Minister said, who was speaking at a security conference in Munich on Saturday.
He pointed to the failure of the EU to engage Russia about Ukraine signing an economic association agreement with the bloc, Western involvement during the Maidan protests, the failure of the West to condemn Ukraine for calling its own citizens terrorists and for supporting a coup, which led to the toppling of a democratically elected president.

“The US made it public it brokered the transit of power in Ukraine. But we know perfectly well what exactly happened, who discussed candidates for the future Ukrainian government on the phone, who was at Maidan, and what is going on (in Ukraine) right now,”Lavrov said.

Despite these setbacks, Russia’s foreign minister says his country still wants and needs a normal relationship with the West.

The strategic partnership with the EU has “failed the test of durability,” Lavrov said. In turn, the US is “always trying to put the blame on Russia in complicated situations created by themselves.”

‘Military solution not the answer to Ukraine crisis’
There is some hope that a solution to the conflict may emerge, following German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande’s visit to Moscow for talks with Vladimir Putin. Announcements from Washington and NATO that they might provide Kiev with weaponry, which has long been sought by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, are thought to have galvanized parts of Europe to try at last to find a peaceful solution to the conflict.

Lavrov is adamant that a military solution is not the answer and would only inflame an already volatile situation. He added that Russia, Germany and France are ready to become guarantors of the agreements, if that can be achieved between the protagonists in the Ukraine crisis.

“If the main participants of the Minsk peace process, the Ukrainian authorities and the representatives of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, come to an understanding on every article of the Minsk agreements, I’m absolutely sure that Russia will be there to secure the guarantees of these agreements,”he said.

“No matter where, in the OSCE or the UN Security Council, I’m certain that both Germany and France are also ready to provide such guarantees.”

Lavrov spoke at length and on numerous occasions about the need for all countries to adhere to the Helsinki accords, which among other things, champions the self-determination of peoples and respect for human rights. He mentioned that European security is based on both the UN Charter and the Helsinki agreement, but has been sabotaged by the US and its allies.

‘Crimea had right to self-determination’
While the West has hit out at what it believes to be a Russian ‘annexation’ of Crimea, the Russian Foreign Minister says that the will of over 90 percent of the peninsula’s population has been ignored, pointing to a referendum in which residents almost unanimously voted to join Russia. He gave the example of Kosovo, which despite not holding a referendum, was allowed to leave Serbia and create its own state.

“In Crimea what happened complies with the UN Charter on self-determination,”the minister said.“The UN Charter has several principles, and the right of a nation for self-determination has a key position.”

Sergey Lavrov was also critical of the US for breaking the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF), which had been signed between the two countries, saying the global community was fully aware of Washington’s actions.

“During the creation of the global anti-missile shield, Washington expanded a large scale program that was designed to create target missiles, which were similar to those banned in the INF treaty, such as ground based ballistic missiles,”Russia’s foreign minister concluded.

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