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U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?
 
Many of the ultra-orthodox sects are racialistic as any of the far and alt right Americans and their Russian allies, yes.
 
Picaro, little buddy, you are a pino, and you misunderstand that faith is not a certitude but a commitment to the Lord and doing His Will, which you violate every day on the Board.

Too many of the ultra orthodox Jews, in America and in Israel, became click bait for the alt right and far right because of their unwillingness to commit to American civil liberties.
 
Picaro, little buddy, you are a pino, and you misunderstand that faith is not a certitude but a commitment to the Lord and doing His Will, which you violate every day on the Board.

Too many of the ultra orthodox Jews, in America and in Israel, became click bait for the alt right and far right because of their unwillingness to commit to American civil liberties.


Jake trying to lie about me and my views, yet again. Now run along and find that mod that feels your pain. My question is aimed at informed people, not some mentally ill stalker who keep babbling about 'alt right' memes long after his puppeteers dropped the term. You have no idea about any of this stuff.
 
Picaro, little buddy, you are a pino, and you misunderstand that faith is not a certitude but a commitment to the Lord and doing His Will, which you violate every day on the Board.

Too many of the ultra orthodox Jews, in America and in Israel, became click bait for the alt right and far right because of their unwillingness to commit to American civil liberties.


Jake trying to lie about me and my views, yet again. Now run along and find that mod that feels your pain. My question is aimed at informed people, not some mentally ill stalker who keep babbling about 'alt right' memes long after his puppeteers dropped the term. You have no idea about any of this stuff.
Jake telling the truth about Picaro.
 
Picaro, little buddy, you are a pino, and you misunderstand that faith is not a certitude but a commitment to the Lord and doing His Will, which you violate every day on the Board.

Too many of the ultra orthodox Jews, in America and in Israel, became click bait for the alt right and far right because of their unwillingness to commit to American civil liberties.


Jake trying to lie about me and my views, yet again. Now run along and find that mod that feels your pain. My question is aimed at informed people, not some mentally ill stalker who keep babbling about 'alt right' memes long after his puppeteers dropped the term. You have no idea about any of this stuff.
Jake telling the truth about Picaro.


Jake, losing all arguments as usual, stalking the winners around like a butthurt little kid. Jake doesn't even know what the question is.
 
U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.
 
U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.


lol another tard weighs in. So, apparently, U.S. Jews are full of ' Nazi bullshit' and murdered innocent Jews, or are you just another gimp who can't read, like Jake here, and doesn't know squat, but feels a need to let us know you're a moron?
 
U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.


lol another tard weighs in.

Hey, guy, what's with the anti-Semitic bullshit?
 
U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?

Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.


lol another tard weighs in.

Hey, guy, what's with the anti-Semitic bullshit?


Hey guy, what's with the stupidity? For the dense and ignorant dufuses who don't know about trends in Jewish history and modern issues in Israel itself, some serious ones that actually threaten its security, educate yourselves on the Ultra-Orthodox, some of the Orthodox, and the Israeli 'Peace Left'. That way you won't look as ignorant as Jake and Rio here.

Examples:

<B>Israeli Settler Rabbi Praises Islamic Takeover Of Europe</B>

40 rabbis: Jews shouldn't rent, sell homes to gentiles

.. and it's easy to google scholar the suicidal insanities of the Israeli 'Peace Left' on your own.

Still think 'all Jews look alike'? lol

And, an Orthodox Rabbi who isn't totally insane discusses Jewish issues, including American Liberal Jews and their hypocrisy and closet racism and bigotry,; covers a wide range of Jewish politics, good and bad, Kahanism, etc., in a fairly objective manner.

Judaism, Culture and the Gentile World: A Conversation with Rabbi Mayer Schiller

Read the whole article; it will enlighten the issues raised in the OP article linked to, the one Jake and Rio can't be bothered to read.


Jewish Review: You've said that for the religious right, and I suppose you are also speaking, for example, about the Gush Emunim in Israel, that gentiles are seen as largely a means whereby God punishes, tests or protects the Jews. The gentile's personal destiny is not only secondary to ours, but in some sense, part of our own destiny. Is this a philosophy that is clearly articulated?

Rabbi Schiller: Yes, definitely. Any standard Yeshivah or Chasidische place, or your West Bank Zionists would all say that quite clearly.

Jewish Review: Yet you also argue that Jewish commitments on the left are an extension of a philosophy which places little or no value on the gentile, and are actually self serving commitments. How is this so?

Rabbi Schiller: Not always, just sometimes. Take, for example, Jewish involvement in the civil rights movements. Ask a Jew why he was in favor of civil rights and very often he'll come up with something like the following rationale: ?We could be next!? In fact recently there was a press report on Le Pen's movement in France which reported that French Jews are opposing Le Pen because they are afraid that after the Arabs they'll be next. Now this feeling is often subconscious and I'm not saying that there weren't also many Jews who were idealistic about their politics, but the question is did the Jew really feel that a white Protestant southerner should have an integrated society? Or did the Jew really feel that for our own political agenda their ought to be an integrated society. Would the Jews have wanted integration with the blacks if the southern whites were Jewish Orthodox?

Jewish Review: Perhaps the liberal Jews were sincere?

Rabbi Schiller: Many were, and the insincerity of others was largely subconscious. But as far as liberal Jews are concerned I think that we're seeing a split on that issue today. The sincere liberals are continuing on with Tikkun and things like that, but those who were full of baloney now support Commentary and Public Interest. Let's take the Tikkun people. Are they really serious? I can't believe that they really want the demographic/racial extinction of European man. Demographic trends seem to show that within the next century America will essentially be a third world nation. Does the Jewish liberal really welcome that? I think they may say they welcome that because they live in suburbia. Do they really believe that all nations, peoples and cultures should be obliterated in an egalitarian world? I don't know what they want. They're stuck because they took the notions of democracy and human rights so seriously.
 
Shickelgruber Picaro hates the Jews, hates American civil liberties, and calls names because he cannot support his point or refute his opponents.

Ultraorthodox Jewish beliefs, however, do not support the civil liberties of America, any more than does the Alt Right and Far Right.
 
Shickelgruber Picaro hates the Jews, hates American civil liberties, and calls names because he cannot support his point or refute his opponents.

Ultraorthodox Jewish beliefs, however, do not support the civil liberties of America, any more than does the Alt Right and Far Right.


Ah, Jake, please do post to links where I ever say anything antisemitic, liar; and then we can post the wonderful stuff your Party of left wingers demands Israelis do, and see what you really support, which is total extermination of Jews and Israelis. Now run along and make up some more lies, since that is all you ever post anyway.

There are no reasons to suck up to Jewish racists and bigots any more than there is for indulging any other bigots and racists; we're not all interested in becoming you, Jake.

I'm sure many Jews feel the same way, they just probably feel embarrassed about some of those they would rather 'outsiders' didn't know about. I don't have that problem, and neither should ethnic Jews, unless of course they're okay with the Ultras and Orthodox racists, which is what the OP link is addressing.
 
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Related stories that contribute to the concerns are these:

113 haredi officers serving in the IDF

Despite protests of the so-called “Jerusalem Faction” against the draft of haredim to the IDF, the army has recently seen a significant increase in haredi officers.
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Is this a good idea??? Of course not, it's a PR disaster waiting to happen; these types should be weeded out, not inducted.

Is the IDF that desperate for bodies to fill slots? Wouldn't hiring mercenaries be a much better option?
 
Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.
 
Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.

Your quotations are self contradictory - on the one hand You bring link from an anti-Haredi Haaretz claiming Israeli govt is "capitulating to ultra-orthodox dictates", on the other hand You cite a link that deals with the govt. imposition on Haredi academias to draft their students into the army, against a broad opposition on this matter from the orthodox consensus.
So which one is it?

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.
 
Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.

Your quotations are self contradictory - on the one hand You bring link from an anti-Haredi Haaretz claiming Israeli govt is "capitulating to ultra-orthodox dictates", on the other hand You cite a link that deals with the govt. imposition on Haredi academias to draft their students into the army, against a broad opposition on this matter from the orthodox consensus.
So which one is it?

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.


As I asked in the OP, is that issue a real problem or a media fabrication? There is nothing' contradictory' between that and the idiocy of allowing Haredi racists and bigots into the military, well unless you're fine with the atrocities these clowns will inevitably commit at every opportunity, and then you find yourself defending many genuine atrocities and murders instead of easily dispelled fake ones. And, most of them are not supporters of the Israeli state, and many of them are more friendly to Muslim terrorists than the Israeli state to boot. Stop subsidizing them as well, they're not real scholars, they're just deadbeats and cultists.

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.

And so what? No need to pretend the obvious isn't already obvious, like some Alzheimer's patient who wakes up in a new world every day and thinks the issues all new again. Is there anybody in Israel who doesn't know what these cultists are yet? They've been around many decades now, after all, so how much more 'discourse' is needed???
 
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Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.

Your quotations are self contradictory - on the one hand You bring link from an anti-Haredi Haaretz claiming Israeli govt is "capitulating to ultra-orthodox dictates", on the other hand You cite a link that deals with the govt. imposition on Haredi academias to draft their students into the army, against a broad opposition on this matter from the orthodox consensus.
So which one is it?

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.


As I asked in the OP, is that issue a real problem or a media fabrication? There is nothing' contradictory' between that and the idiocy of allowing Haredi racists and bigots into the military, well unless you're fine with the atrocities these clowns will inevitably commit at every opportunity, and then you find yourself defending many genuine atrocities and murders instead of easily dispelled fake ones. And, most of them are not supporters of the Israeli state, and many of them are more friendly to Muslim terrorists than the Israeli state to boot. Stop subsidizing them as well, they're not real scholars, they're just deadbeats and cultists.

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.

And so what? I No need to pretend the obvious isn't already obvious, like some Alzheimer's patient who wakes up in a new world every day and thinks the issues all new again.

Media fabrication.
You both are trying to make it into an "either- or" conversation, broad brushing whole segments of Israeli and American society just because it's more "click bait' friendly, and requires less investigation.
 
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Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.

Your quotations are self contradictory - on the one hand You bring link from an anti-Haredi Haaretz claiming Israeli govt is "capitulating to ultra-orthodox dictates", on the other hand You cite a link that deals with the govt. imposition on Haredi academias to draft their students into the army, against a broad opposition on this matter from the orthodox consensus.
So which one is it?

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.


As I asked in the OP, is that issue a real problem or a media fabrication? There is nothing' contradictory' between that and the idiocy of allowing Haredi racists and bigots into the military, well unless you're fine with the atrocities these clowns will inevitably commit at every opportunity, and then you find yourself defending many genuine atrocities and murders instead of easily dispelled fake ones. And, most of them are not supporters of the Israeli state, and many of them are more friendly to Muslim terrorists than the Israeli state to boot. Stop subsidizing them as well, they're not real scholars, they're just deadbeats and cultists.

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.

And so what? I No need to pretend the obvious isn't already obvious, like some Alzheimer's patient who wakes up in a new world every day and thinks the issues all new again.

Media fabrication.

And will it stay that way with the advent of letting these nutjobs into the military?
 
Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.

As for you and your jackwad buddy Jake here, do educate yourself before running around calling others you know nothing about nazis and murderers, you stupid silly dork.

anti-zionist chasidics - Bing

Many of these hard core racists and bigots are based in the U.S.. They should be deported, they don't need to be abusing our tolerance and immigration laws; we restrict other nazis and assorted like-minded vermin, so absolutely no need to let these scum thrive here, either. Israel sholdn't be allowing them in, either, much less catering to them, subsidizing them, and letting them into their military.

Your quotations are self contradictory - on the one hand You bring link from an anti-Haredi Haaretz claiming Israeli govt is "capitulating to ultra-orthodox dictates", on the other hand You cite a link that deals with the govt. imposition on Haredi academias to draft their students into the army, against a broad opposition on this matter from the orthodox consensus.
So which one is it?

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.


As I asked in the OP, is that issue a real problem or a media fabrication? There is nothing' contradictory' between that and the idiocy of allowing Haredi racists and bigots into the military, well unless you're fine with the atrocities these clowns will inevitably commit at every opportunity, and then you find yourself defending many genuine atrocities and murders instead of easily dispelled fake ones. And, most of them are not supporters of the Israeli state, and many of them are more friendly to Muslim terrorists than the Israeli state to boot. Stop subsidizing them as well, they're not real scholars, they're just deadbeats and cultists.

Israeli society is vibrant, there's no "either or" going on, these views and attitudes are part of the political discourse, all of them at the same time.

And so what? I No need to pretend the obvious isn't already obvious, like some Alzheimer's patient who wakes up in a new world every day and thinks the issues all new again.

Media fabrication.

And will it stay that way with the advent of letting these nutjobs into the military?

You both are trying to make it into an "either- or" conversation, broad brushing whole segments of Israeli and American society just because it's more "click bait' friendly, and requires less investigation.
 
U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

"Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

“I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

“At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?
Ha’aretz...nuff said.
Run by self-hating Jews.
 

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