American Religous Jews: Is This Story Just Click Bait Or A Real Growing IssueHere?

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    U.S. Jews say Israel is losing their support by capitulating to ultra-Orthodox demands

    "Appearing before the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs, senior representatives of the American Jewish Committee – a mainstream Jewish advocacy organization that rarely criticizes Israel – spoke in unusually harsh terms about the dangers facing Israel. They cited the government’s capitulation to ultra-Orthodox dictates on matters of marriage, divorce, conversion and prayer at the Western Wall.

    “I understand that you have complicated politics over here and many opinions, but I think that to lose the American Diaspora – and I’m telling you as someone who views it from many organizations – you are losing the next generation and you are losing the passion of the current generation. And I think it would be a tragic loss if this split continues,” said AJC President John Shapiro.

    “At some point, we’re not going to be able to put the pieces back together again,” he added.["


    I personally consider many of the ultra-orthodox sects nothing but hard core racists no different than Nazis, and many of the left wing 'reformed' of the 'Peace Left' in Israel dope-addled suicidal crazies. I really do not get why the government tolerates either of these wingnut gangs, especially given the existential threats facing the country.

    Are both these wings growing or is the Israeli media just having slow news days? Are Jews as an ethnic demographic becoming less secular these days?
     
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    Many of the ultra-orthodox sects are racialistic as any of the far and alt right Americans and their Russian allies, yes.
     
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    Picaro, little buddy, you are a pino, and you misunderstand that faith is not a certitude but a commitment to the Lord and doing His Will, which you violate every day on the Board.

    Too many of the ultra orthodox Jews, in America and in Israel, became click bait for the alt right and far right because of their unwillingness to commit to American civil liberties.
     
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    Jake trying to lie about me and my views, yet again. Now run along and find that mod that feels your pain. My question is aimed at informed people, not some mentally ill stalker who keep babbling about 'alt right' memes long after his puppeteers dropped the term. You have no idea about any of this stuff.
     
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    Jake telling the truth about Picaro.
     
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    Jake, losing all arguments as usual, stalking the winners around like a butthurt little kid. Jake doesn't even know what the question is.
     
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    Hey, Schicklgruber, first you bastards murder innocent Jews, then you malign them with that Nazi bullshit. Why not make like your fuhrer in the bunker on that day in April of '45 and call it a day.
     
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    lol another tard weighs in. So, apparently, U.S. Jews are full of ' Nazi bullshit' and murdered innocent Jews, or are you just another gimp who can't read, like Jake here, and doesn't know squat, but feels a need to let us know you're a moron?
     
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    Hey, guy, what's with the anti-Semitic bullshit?
     
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    Hey guy, what's with the stupidity? For the dense and ignorant dufuses who don't know about trends in Jewish history and modern issues in Israel itself, some serious ones that actually threaten its security, educate yourselves on the Ultra-Orthodox, some of the Orthodox, and the Israeli 'Peace Left'. That way you won't look as ignorant as Jake and Rio here.

    Examples:

    <B>Israeli Settler Rabbi Praises Islamic Takeover Of Europe</B>

    40 rabbis: Jews shouldn't rent, sell homes to gentiles

    .. and it's easy to google scholar the suicidal insanities of the Israeli 'Peace Left' on your own.

    Still think 'all Jews look alike'? lol

    And, an Orthodox Rabbi who isn't totally insane discusses Jewish issues, including American Liberal Jews and their hypocrisy and closet racism and bigotry,; covers a wide range of Jewish politics, good and bad, Kahanism, etc., in a fairly objective manner.

    Judaism, Culture and the Gentile World: A Conversation with Rabbi Mayer Schiller

    Read the whole article; it will enlighten the issues raised in the OP article linked to, the one Jake and Rio can't be bothered to read.


    Jewish Review: You've said that for the religious right, and I suppose you are also speaking, for example, about the Gush Emunim in Israel, that gentiles are seen as largely a means whereby God punishes, tests or protects the Jews. The gentile's personal destiny is not only secondary to ours, but in some sense, part of our own destiny. Is this a philosophy that is clearly articulated?

    Rabbi Schiller: Yes, definitely. Any standard Yeshivah or Chasidische place, or your West Bank Zionists would all say that quite clearly.

    Jewish Review: Yet you also argue that Jewish commitments on the left are an extension of a philosophy which places little or no value on the gentile, and are actually self serving commitments. How is this so?

    Rabbi Schiller: Not always, just sometimes. Take, for example, Jewish involvement in the civil rights movements. Ask a Jew why he was in favor of civil rights and very often he'll come up with something like the following rationale: ?We could be next!? In fact recently there was a press report on Le Pen's movement in France which reported that French Jews are opposing Le Pen because they are afraid that after the Arabs they'll be next. Now this feeling is often subconscious and I'm not saying that there weren't also many Jews who were idealistic about their politics, but the question is did the Jew really feel that a white Protestant southerner should have an integrated society? Or did the Jew really feel that for our own political agenda their ought to be an integrated society. Would the Jews have wanted integration with the blacks if the southern whites were Jewish Orthodox?

    Jewish Review: Perhaps the liberal Jews were sincere?

    Rabbi Schiller: Many were, and the insincerity of others was largely subconscious. But as far as liberal Jews are concerned I think that we're seeing a split on that issue today. The sincere liberals are continuing on with Tikkun and things like that, but those who were full of baloney now support Commentary and Public Interest. Let's take the Tikkun people. Are they really serious? I can't believe that they really want the demographic/racial extinction of European man. Demographic trends seem to show that within the next century America will essentially be a third world nation. Does the Jewish liberal really welcome that? I think they may say they welcome that because they live in suburbia. Do they really believe that all nations, peoples and cultures should be obliterated in an egalitarian world? I don't know what they want. They're stuck because they took the notions of democracy and human rights so seriously.
     

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