American Legion Joins VFW in Call for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty

[munkle]

American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty.

American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty

Due to the persistence of surviving crew members and the continual emergence of new revelations, the national veteran's group American Legion has passed Resolution 40 calling for Congress to "publicly, impartially, and thoroughly" investigate the attack by Israel on an American ship in 1967, in which 34 American sailors were killed and hundreds of others were wounded. The resolution comes despite a veil of government secrecy which keeps key documents on the attack classified more than 50 years later. [NSA USS Liberty documents]



The attack, which surviving crew members to a man say was deliberate, as well as a stellar list of high-ranking officials, has never been officially investigated outside of a Navy Court of Inquiry and an NSA probe. Surviving crew members were not allowed to testify to key points which did not fit the official conclusion that it was an accident.

For example, according to James Ennes who was Officer of the Deck that day, crew members were never allowed to give testimony witnessing an Israeli patrol boat's methodical machine-gunning of the life boats, which supports the contention that the Israelis wanted no survivors.

The surviving crew continues to hold a memorial service in Washington DC each year on the date of the attack, and issues invitations to members of Congress to attend. To date, not one congress member has attended a service....

Resolution 40 itself is a devastating document, reading in part:

WHEREAS, on June 8, 1967, while operating in support of the National Security Agency (NSA) in international waters, properly marked as to her identity and nationality, and in calm, clear weather in the eastern Mediterranean, the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was the target of an unprovoked attack by Israeli military forces that killed 34 members of the Liberty’s crew and wounded 173; and,
....
WHEREAS, according to Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) information reports from June and October, 1967, sources in Tel Aviv reported: “Israel’s forces knew exactly what flag the [L]IBERTY was flying” and Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan “personally ordered the attack” on the Liberty over the objections of senior uniformed military personnel, one of whom characterized the attack as “pure murder”; and,

WHEREAS, Richard Helms (Director of Central Intelligence, 1966-1973), stated in a 1984 CIA interview: “...I don’t think there can be any doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing..."; and,...
FULL ARTICLE >> American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israels Attack on USS Liberty. | HubPages

 

[H B Lowrie]

AIPAC won't allow us to, we're cucks.

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.

 

[depotoo]

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty.

American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty

Due to the persistence of surviving crew members and the continual emergence of new revelations, the national veteran's group American Legion has passed Resolution 40 calling for Congress to "publicly, impartially, and thoroughly" investigate the attack by Israel on an American ship in 1967, in which 34 American sailors were killed and hundreds of others were wounded. The resolution comes despite a veil of government secrecy which keeps key documents on the attack classified more than 50 years later. [NSA USS Liberty documents]



The attack, which surviving crew members to a man say was deliberate, as well as a stellar list of high-ranking officials, has never been officially investigated outside of a Navy Court of Inquiry and an NSA probe. Surviving crew members were not allowed to testify to key points which did not fit the official conclusion that it was an accident.

For example, according to James Ennes who was Officer of the Deck that day, crew members were never allowed to give testimony witnessing an Israeli patrol boat's methodical machine-gunning of the life boats, which supports the contention that the Israelis wanted no survivors.

The surviving crew continues to hold a memorial service in Washington DC each year on the date of the attack, and issues invitations to members of Congress to attend. To date, not one congress member has attended a service....

Resolution 40 itself is a devastating document, reading in part:

WHEREAS, on June 8, 1967, while operating in support of the National Security Agency (NSA) in international waters, properly marked as to her identity and nationality, and in calm, clear weather in the eastern Mediterranean, the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was the target of an unprovoked attack by Israeli military forces that killed 34 members of the Liberty’s crew and wounded 173; and,
....
WHEREAS, according to Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) information reports from June and October, 1967, sources in Tel Aviv reported: “Israel’s forces knew exactly what flag the [L]IBERTY was flying” and Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan “personally ordered the attack” on the Liberty over the objections of senior uniformed military personnel, one of whom characterized the attack as “pure murder”; and,

WHEREAS, Richard Helms (Director of Central Intelligence, 1966-1973), stated in a 1984 CIA interview: “...I don’t think there can be any doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing..."; and,...
FULL ARTICLE >> American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israels Attack on USS Liberty. | HubPages

 

[munkle]

AIPAC won't allow us to, we're cucks.

• Israeli arms sales to Europe grew from $724M in 2014 to $1.63B in 2015
• Although the size of New Jersey Israel is one of the top 10 arms dealing nations in the world
• Israel produces 60% of all drones worldwide and sells to over 50 countries, at times selling to both sides of a given conflict, and Israel fueled the drones arms race between India and Pakistan

Palestine is an open air weapons testing and crowd control laboratory with Palestinians being used in the development phase; Gaza is a lab of mass destruction. US super bunker busters were supplied to the Israelis in 2014 and investors stock shot up; war is just business after all.

The “War in Terror” has been a boon to the industry, you’ve seen what amounts to advertisement in every “news” outlet, we are being whipped up into a frenzy once again. The industry also pioneers crowd control research on the Palestinians, and Israel is involved in the training of American forces and law enforcement. We see this in the militarization of our own police departments, Ferguson was but one example of how our system is prepping to Palestinianize our own population, and in fact Ferguson now has Israeli developed/sold skunk spray post the Ferguson events, although no incidents have yet been reported of use on American streets. It’s pretty clear that the Israeli occupation style power structure is moving toward the same in America; a warehousing of the poor in a post industrial age with diminishing living wage jobs and privatized for profit prisons complete with a return to convict leasing.

Much of the security monitoring and mass surveillance technologies are also produced in Israel and sold across the globe. “Targeted assassination” was invented in Israel, which Obama was quite fond of. Abu Ghraib torture methods? Israel.

The US and Israel are not allies. The US and Israeli arms dealers are allies, and war is the business they are both in. We are all collateral damage.

Good points. The difference is Americans aren't Palestinians, with elite military training shot throughout the population and in some places more guns than people, and not hunting rifles either. During the Bundy stand-off look at how fast federal agents found themselves in the crosshairs of former special ops, who sympathized with the Bundys and were ready to die for it. The anti Israel boycott laws are actually a sign of weakness. When you have to legislate support for an "ally" you've already lost the battle.

 

[munkle]

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

 

[Kondor3]

American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty.

American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israel's Attack on USS Liberty

Due to the persistence of surviving crew members and the continual emergence of new revelations, the national veteran's group American Legion has passed Resolution 40 calling for Congress to "publicly, impartially, and thoroughly" investigate the attack by Israel on an American ship in 1967, in which 34 American sailors were killed and hundreds of others were wounded. The resolution comes despite a veil of government secrecy which keeps key documents on the attack classified more than 50 years later. [NSA USS Liberty documents]



The attack, which surviving crew members to a man say was deliberate, as well as a stellar list of high-ranking officials, has never been officially investigated outside of a Navy Court of Inquiry and an NSA probe. Surviving crew members were not allowed to testify to key points which did not fit the official conclusion that it was an accident.

For example, according to James Ennes who was Officer of the Deck that day, crew members were never allowed to give testimony witnessing an Israeli patrol boat's methodical machine-gunning of the life boats, which supports the contention that the Israelis wanted no survivors.

The surviving crew continues to hold a memorial service in Washington DC each year on the date of the attack, and issues invitations to members of Congress to attend. To date, not one congress member has attended a service....

Resolution 40 itself is a devastating document, reading in part:

WHEREAS, on June 8, 1967, while operating in support of the National Security Agency (NSA) in international waters, properly marked as to her identity and nationality, and in calm, clear weather in the eastern Mediterranean, the USS Liberty (AGTR-5) was the target of an unprovoked attack by Israeli military forces that killed 34 members of the Liberty’s crew and wounded 173; and,
....
WHEREAS, according to Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) information reports from June and October, 1967, sources in Tel Aviv reported: “Israel’s forces knew exactly what flag the [L]IBERTY was flying” and Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan “personally ordered the attack” on the Liberty over the objections of senior uniformed military personnel, one of whom characterized the attack as “pure murder”; and,

WHEREAS, Richard Helms (Director of Central Intelligence, 1966-1973), stated in a 1984 CIA interview: “...I don’t think there can be any doubt that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing..."; and,...
FULL ARTICLE >> American Legion Joins VFW in Calling for Congressional Investigation of Israels Attack on USS Liberty. | HubPages

October 6, 2017...

Meanwhile...

Fourteen months later...

Slow news day?

 

[munkle]

Meanwhile...

Fourteen months later...

Slow news day?

Yea sure funny how CNN didn't report it the day it came out.

 

[Kondor3]

Meanwhile...

Fourteen months later...

Slow news day?

Yea sure funny how CNN didn't report it the day it came out.

CNN was founded in 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN

Last I heard, they do not own a Time Machine.

As to the AL announcement... did Faux News cover it?

It's all a Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya !!!

Isn't that right... Achmed?

 

[munkle]

Meanwhile...

Fourteen months later...

Slow news day?

Yea sure funny how CNN didn't report it the day it came out.

CNN was founded in 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN

Last I heard, they do not own a Time Machine.

As to the AL announcement... did Faux News cover it?

It's all a Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya !!!

Isn't that right... Achmed?

LOL everyone here making fun of Ocasio-Cortez for being a dim-wit. Obviously the story is the American Legion's support for the Liberty crew members.

So why do you care so much about defending Israeli murder? I find that interesting.

 

[depotoo]

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

 

[munkle]

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed people that he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

(Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.))

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

But the full tapes still have not been released, despite Cristol's implication that all the tapes ""the...tapes" have been released. The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute, where your post on the Cristol book comes from, is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers (Chicago Tribune: New revelations in attack on American spy ship)

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died.
(Cristol: Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately)

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. (Cristol: Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately)

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boat circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended?

There is a simple answer to that question. The Liberty crew managed to get off an SOS signal to the Sixth Fleet, and US Phantoms were on the way, who would have blown the Israeli bastards out of the sky.

All this of course overlooks Cristol's liberal, snarling use of the words "conspiracy theorists" and "hidden agendas," of which only he is free and pure. To anyone used to the way shills write, this alone would give him away in a few paragraphs.

 

[Pilot1]

It was deliberate, and covered up by the U.S. Johnson Administration of the time to appease Israel because we needed them in the Middle East, and we needed Mid East OIL. I guarantee you, Israel was "talked to" behind the scenes.

As the U.S. is now the world's largest oil producer, and a net exporter of oil at this time, the Middle East is nowhere near as important to us as it was, fortunately. Back the, different story. We needed a stable Middle East. As stable as possible.

 

[depotoo]

I told you I researched it myself. They are all in the archives, for you, if you really want an informed decision. But I suspect you don’t. You are just an anti Semitic.

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed people that he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute which your post on the Cristol book is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boats circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended?

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed crew members when he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute which your post on the Cristol book is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boats circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended? Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

There is a simple answer to that question. The Liberty crew managed to get off an SOS signal to the Sixth Fleet, and US Phantoms were on the way, who would have blown the Israeli bastards out of the sky.

All this of course overlooks Cristol's liberal, snarling use of the words "conspiracy theorists" and "hidden agendas," of which only he is free and pure. To anyone used to the way shills write this alone would give him away in a few paragraphs.

 

[harmonica]

over and done with
final answer
if they haven't got anything by now--that's it

 

[munkle]

I told you I researched it myself. They are all in the archives, for you, if you really want an informed decision. But I suspect you don’t. You are just an anti Semitic.

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed people that he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute which your post on the Cristol book is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boats circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended?

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed crew members when he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute which your post on the Cristol book is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boats circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended? Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

There is a simple answer to that question. The Liberty crew managed to get off an SOS signal to the Sixth Fleet, and US Phantoms were on the way, who would have blown the Israeli bastards out of the sky.

All this of course overlooks Cristol's liberal, snarling use of the words "conspiracy theorists" and "hidden agendas," of which only he is free and pure. To anyone used to the way shills write this alone would give him away in a few paragraphs.

I just gave you a detailed point by point rebuttal to your "research." None of which you have addressed. So what you mean is you aren't interested in the truth just in repeating yourself and name calling. That means you lose, but thanks for playing.

 

[JWBooth]

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

Unfortunate? Yes
Accident? Oh hell no.

 

[depotoo]

You have not gone to the archives and listened to or read the transcripts and all other available info from the multiple investigations. You only hear what you want to hear. Even if you did, something tells me that still would not satisfy you, because of your hatred for Israel. Sadly, part of the fault for the accident rests on our shoulders.

I told you I researched it myself. They are all in the archives, for you, if you really want an informed decision. But I suspect you don’t. You are just an anti Semitic.

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed people that he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute which your post on the Cristol book is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boats circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended?

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

Are kidding you are quoting Cristol the man who presents himself as a "combat pilot" in the Korean War although he never got closer than the training base? Cristol is easily eviscerated.

Cristol claims to have interviewed crew members when he didn't, and cites testimony from anonymous crew members, he says, to prevent "friction" with their shipmates.

Your post said:

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear.

But Captain Ward Boston, legal counsel for the Naval Court of Inquiry who has come out for the Liberty survivors, writes in an affidavit:

In 1990, I received a telephone call from Jay Cristol, who wanted to interview me concerning the functioning of the Court of Inquiry. I told him that I would not speak to him on that subject and prepared to hang up the telephone. Cristol then began asking me about my personal background and other, non-Court of Inquiry related matters. I endeavored to answer these questions and politely extricate myself from the conversation. Cristol continued to return to the subject of the Court of Inquiry, which I refused to discuss with him. Finally, I suggested that he contact Admiral Kidd and ask him about the Court of Inquiry.
...
Several years later, I received a letter from Cristol that contained what he purported to be his notes of our prior conversation. These “notes” were grossly incorrect and bore no resemblance in reality to that discussion. I find it hard to believe that these “notes” were the product of a mistake, rather than an attempt to deceive. I informed Cristol that I disagreed with his recollection of our conversation and that he was wrong. Cristol made several attempts to arrange for the two of us to meet in person and talk but I always found ways to avoid doing this. I did not wish to meet with Cristol as we had nothing in common and I did not trust him.

Contrary to the misinformation presented by Cristol and others, it is important for the American people to know that it is clear that Israel is responsible for deliberately attacking an American ship and murdering American sailors, whose bereaved shipmates have lived with this egregious conclusion for many years.

Dated: January 9, 2004
at Coronado, California.
Ward Boston, Jr., Captain, JAGC, USN (Ret.)
Senior Counsel to the USS Liberty Court of Inquiry

Affidavit of Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAG (Ret.)

So Cristol is a liar. He presents himself as a "federal judge" but he is really a bankruptcy judge which is not confirmed by the US Senate but appointed by a circuit judge. He is just a government employee.

Your post said:

The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.
...
The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as "the aftermath" of the attack -- Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

"I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet," he said. "No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes."

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications "in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked," Prostinak said. "Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made."
...
After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

Furthermore, the Chicago Tribune reports:

"I don't think you'll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental," Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director,

The US Naval Institute which your post on the Cristol book is not, despite its name, an official government organization in any way affiliated with the Navy or the Naval Academy. It is a private non-profit made of of retirees. United States Naval Institute - Wikipedia

Some sense of Cristol's skilled and deceptive manner of arguing can be gotten from this article of his, in which he criticizes Capt. Ward Boston:

First, a look at the article raises a question of whether it was written by Ward Boston or written by someone else for him. The first paragraph talks of the"bombing" of the ship. Boston was aware and the record is clear, the ship was not bombed. It was attacked with 30MM cannons by the aircraft and then by 20MM cannon, 50 caliber machine guns and torpedoes by the torpedo boats.

But the Chicago Tribune reports:

Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis' French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers New revelations in attack on American spy ship

Napalm is commonly referred to as a "napalm bomb." So Cristol could be technically correct, if he means dropped explosive. But he makes no mention of the napalm bombs.

Cristol also writes:

The second paragraph says 34 American sailors died. In fact, 33 sailors and one NSA civilian died. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

That is enough to show that Cristol is a cover-up artist, making distinctions with no meaningful difference in order to appear to be scoring points.

In the same article Cristol writes:

The next paragraph is a repetition of the demand of various conspiracy theorists requesting a congressional hearing and suggesting the survivors be allowed to testify. One hundred and fifty four pages of sworn testimony of the Liberty’s Captain, William McGonagle, the ship’s officers and key crew members was taken on June 13 and June 14, 1967 and is available for review by any member of the public. Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

But the very few crew members who were interviewed say they were only allowed to answer the questions that were posed, and not allowed to add anything else. For example, Lloyd Painter was stopped from describing an Israeli patrol boats circling the ship for 40 minutes and machine-gunning life rafts and crew members. In addition, Cristol says nothing about the gag order,

And a final example of one of Cristol's purported "gotchas":

And an even better question, if the Israelis intended to sink the Liberty, then why didn't the Israeli Armed Forces, which had destroyed the entire Egyptian Air Force in minutes, had destroyed thousands of Egyptian tanks and artillery in a few days, had captured the Sinai, the Suez Canal, the Old City of Jerusalem, the West Bank and a day later destroyed the Syrian army and its armor and captured the Golan Heights, all in six days, why didn’t they sink the ship, if that is what they intended? Why You Shouldn't Pay Attention to the Claims that Israel Attacked the USS Liberty Deliberately | History News Network

There is a simple answer to that question. The Liberty crew managed to get off an SOS signal to the Sixth Fleet, and US Phantoms were on the way, who would have blown the Israeli bastards out of the sky.

All this of course overlooks Cristol's liberal, snarling use of the words "conspiracy theorists" and "hidden agendas," of which only he is free and pure. To anyone used to the way shills write this alone would give him away in a few paragraphs.

I just gave you a detailed point by point rebuttal to your "research." None of which you have addressed. So what you mean is you aren't interested in the truth just in repeating yourself and name calling. That means you lose, but thanks for playing.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Meanwhile...

Fourteen months later...

Slow news day?

Yea sure funny how CNN didn't report it the day it came out.

CNN was founded in 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN

Last I heard, they do not own a Time Machine.

As to the AL announcement... did Faux News cover it?

It's all a Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya !!!

Isn't that right... Achmed?

LOL everyone here making fun of Ocasio-Cortez for being a dim-wit. Obviously the story is the American Legion's support for the Liberty crew members.

So why do you care so much about defending Israeli murder? I find that interesting.

The Trump misadministration is among the most steadfast defenders of Israel’s crimes and corruption – the same goes for most Congressional Republicans – which is why there will be no ‘investigation.’

 

[Preacher]

There have already been any number of investigations. It was an unfortunate accident.

What kind of investigation is it when the survivors are not allowed to testify?

“The Liberty Incident Revealed is the complete and final story about the Israeli Air Force and Navy attack on the USS Liberty during the Six Day War in June 1967. Cutting through all of the controversy and conspiracy theories about Israel’s deadly attack, Cristol revises his well-regarded book about the event with an expanded and in-depth analysis of all of the sources, including the released tapes of the National Security Agency (NSA) intercepts.

When Cristol’s first book on the subject, The Liberty Incident, was published in 2002, there remained many unanswered questions about Israeli Air Force audio tapes. The NSA intercepts tapes had not yet been released in 2002. Some conspiracy theorists alleged the NSA tapes would prove that the Israeli attack was premeditated. Cristol’s successful Freedom of Information Act lawsuit against the NSA, while resulting in the release of those tapes, has been greeted by anti-Israel sources insisting that the NSA tapes are fraudulent and are part of a larger conspiracy to deceive the American public.

After a quarter of a century of intensive research in both Israel and the U.S., researching all relevant archives from NSA, CIA and the State Department, reviewing both formerly classified and open source documents, and interviewing all then-living individuals directly involved in the incident, the factual and documentary record is clear. Cristol maintains that despite the fact that all of the official records and transcripts are now available for review, the truth has proven to be of no interest to those individuals and organizations who are motivated by hidden agendas, wish to keep conspiracy theories alive, or are trying to feed sensational stories to the media. Documenting his findings in six new chapters, Cristol establishes definitively that the Israeli attack was a tragic mistake and presents a convincing argument that will be regarded as the final chapter in the long-simmering debate about this incident.”
The Liberty Incident Revealed | U.S. Naval Institute
.......
Besides this book, you can go to the archives and pull up all the audio tapes, etc. and listen to them yourself. Read all the reports, etc. I did that awhile back. The answer is it was an accident. Just others want to blame Israel any chance they can get. Now you can take the time to research and listen and read like I did, or you can choose to listen to the conspiracy theorists wishing to find a way to blame Israel, unjustly. That is totally up to you.

1. Cristol is JEWISH so anything he says to protect his racial homeland he will say.
2.There are books by ACTUAL sailors on the ship at the time of the ATTACK on the Liberty therefore FAR and BEYOND more credible than that POS Cristol.

 

[depotoo]

Now that is a real joke. The Dems held all 3 branches, yet never once reopened another investigation to investigate it further, under Obama. So stop your belly aching.

Meanwhile...

Fourteen months later...

Slow news day?

Yea sure funny how CNN didn't report it the day it came out.

CNN was founded in 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN

Last I heard, they do not own a Time Machine.

As to the AL announcement... did Faux News cover it?

It's all a Worldwide Joooo-ish Kornspiracy, I tellz ya !!!

Isn't that right... Achmed?

LOL everyone here making fun of Ocasio-Cortez for being a dim-wit. Obviously the story is the American Legion's support for the Liberty crew members.

So why do you care so much about defending Israeli murder? I find that interesting.

The Trump misadministration is among the most steadfast defenders of Israel’s crimes and corruption – the same goes for most Congressional Republicans – which is why there will be no ‘investigation.’