American Indians Owned Slaves, Where’s the Outrage?

[Godboy]

Sure it was. You claimed that white people tried to wipe out the indians.

They did. Have you not looked at any american history at all?

Giving Indians their own land after they were utterly defeated, doesnt sound like genocide to me. Furthermore, "white people" werent responsible for it; it was some people who happened to be white, but certainly white people living in Australia cant be blamed for the plight of Indians in the US, so i reject your silly notion that the white race is to blame.

Unless you are willing to blame the entirety of the black race for gang violence in Chicago, shut the fuck up you hypocrite racist.

Australia had their own problems with native people

Which people in history DIDNT have a problem with some other group?

Excuses.

Yes, weak excuses are all you have.

 

[Crepitus]

They did. Have you not looked at any american history at all?

Giving Indians their own land after they were utterly defeated, doesnt sound like genocide to me. Furthermore, "white people" werent responsible for it; it was some people who happened to be white, but certainly white people living in Australia cant be blamed for the plight of Indians in the US, so i reject your silly notion that the white race is to blame.

Unless you are willing to blame the entirety of the black race for gang violence in Chicago, shut the fuck up you hypocrite racist.

You guys whine about "white guilt" and then talk about "giving" American Indians reservations.

Could you be any more clueless?

If we didnt give them the land, how on earth do you suppose they got it? It sure as hell wasnt won through might, thats for fucking sure.

The indians were culturally inferior, and like all inferior cultures in history, they got their asses handed to them by a superior culture. Thousands of cultures were completely wiped out throughout history because, unlike Americans, other cultures didnt end up giving their defeated enemies land and rights; they were merely eradicated and forgotten. The indians were lucky that it wasnt a different group that came to their shores.

It's was all theirs to start with.

Jesus you people.....

no it wasn't
....they stole land from other tribes/decimated/displaced/TORTURED/warred on/murdered/etc other tribes
...it was the Age of Exploration/etc
don't try to make it like it was 1973 with lawyers/real estate companies/etc

Lol, so it's all the native Americans fault then?

 

[Godboy]

It's was all theirs to start with.

Bullshit. A handful of indians did not own the entire US. Furthermore, if they are just a bunch of unconnected tribes who are always at war with each other, then it was just a lawless land. Europeans came in a civilized it through might. Thats the way it worked back then. The strongest ruled.

 

[Weatherman2020]

It's true. Just accept the facts. The Indian Removal policy was real.

Thomas Jefferson: Architect of Indian Removal Policy

Near the end of his presidency—and as the War of 1812 approached—Jefferson offered only two options to Indian people, Clifford Trafzer wrote in his 2009 book American Indians/American Presidents. Indians could “be absorbed” into the United States or face military obliteration.

Thomas Jefferson: Architect of Indian Removal Policy - IndianCountryToday.com

what was the indian removal policy - Yahoo Search Results

It's the founder's fault the Indians practiced slavery??? What's the point of diverting the topic question here?

Why don't we all take a break from snipping at each other and go STOP the slavery that STILL among us in the world? Don't understand why that was not done a CENTURY ago. Do you? Are you signed on to killing modern slavery to it's roots in your lifetime? I'd do it If there was a movement behind it.

Do you think you'll ever have the balls to tell the whites here about how they create race baiting threads?

You think THIS is a race baiting thread? It's just historical fact. Whites owned slaves in America, Blacks owned slaves in America, and Indians owned slaves in America. Slavery was a relic that infected the entire world prior to the Enlightenment. Including Africa. Still EXISTS in parts of Africa. The magnitude and "commerce" of INTERNATIONAL slave trade was definitely 100 times worse. But only because the white man ABUSED that global reach that he had to do it before the practice was virtually ended.

And yes -- we commonly close or move any type of baiting thread. If it becomes a habit -- we act on that.

Plus slavery is alive and well in the world today with an estimated 24 Million slaves.

No white owners involved.

You're wrong. Slavery thrives in Europe today.

I had no idea Muslims brought slavery to Europe already.

 

[Sunsettommy]

White slavemasters owned 4 million slaves and killed 600,000 to keep them

That is ridiculous nonsense RW...

Actually it's true.

It is also true at least 75% of whites didn't own slaves

"Who Owned Slaves and Where Did They Live?

9. In 1860, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, 75 percent of white families in the United States owned not a single slave, while 1 percent of families owned 40 or more. Just a tenth of 1 percent of Americans owned 100 or more slaves.

10. That same year, 1860, 31 percent of all slaves in the U.S. were held on plantations of 40 or more slaves, while a majority (53 percent) were held on farms of between 7 and 39 slaves, says the institute.

11. Also, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute, of the total African-American population in 1860, nearly 90 percent were slaves. And, while blacks made up only 13 percent of the entire country, in the South one in three people was black."

 

[Sunsettommy]

Yeah. Rough reservation.
Souix tribe out of Twin Cities.
View attachment 212436 View attachment 212437
Average house of Tribal member on this reservation.
This tribe found a way to get theirs back from the white man.
One armed bandits.

The lengths some whites will go to in order to deny the truth of their wrongdoing. These reservations don't look like that.

One example of a successful non white represents all of them, making any claim of white racism false, but we must always make sure that we point out that not all whites are racists or have participated in wrongs against people of color.

So do you think that black communities which are not considered their own nations while getting aid from the US government annually, are going to be allowed to get cities and states to change zoning ordinances to enable all black neighborhoods to build and run casinos?

This is why I hate debating dumb whites.

I am white, who agrees that even today Native Indians are still down in the dumps for various reasons such as poor land given to them, that many treaties were broken by the Whites, that they forced onto reservations.

However you are a hater who dredges up oppression real or imagined of long ago, then beat the big bad republican whites over their heads with it while ignoring many examples of black on black, or black on white atrocities of today.

Your way doesn't solve anything but stir up animosity with people you clearly hate.

Drop your hate, become a beacon as a fine human being.

 

[harmonica]

Giving Indians their own land after they were utterly defeated, doesnt sound like genocide to me. Furthermore, "white people" werent responsible for it; it was some people who happened to be white, but certainly white people living in Australia cant be blamed for the plight of Indians in the US, so i reject your silly notion that the white race is to blame.

Unless you are willing to blame the entirety of the black race for gang violence in Chicago, shut the fuck up you hypocrite racist.

You guys whine about "white guilt" and then talk about "giving" American Indians reservations.

Could you be any more clueless?

If we didnt give them the land, how on earth do you suppose they got it? It sure as hell wasnt won through might, thats for fucking sure.

The indians were culturally inferior, and like all inferior cultures in history, they got their asses handed to them by a superior culture. Thousands of cultures were completely wiped out throughout history because, unlike Americans, other cultures didnt end up giving their defeated enemies land and rights; they were merely eradicated and forgotten. The indians were lucky that it wasnt a different group that came to their shores.

It's was all theirs to start with.

Jesus you people.....

no it wasn't
....they stole land from other tribes/decimated/displaced/TORTURED/warred on/murdered/etc other tribes
...it was the Age of Exploration/etc
don't try to make it like it was 1973 with lawyers/real estate companies/etc

Lol, so it's all the native Americans fault then?

...what a big batch of bullshit to make out the NAs as angels--eating corn--sharing flowers--etc
...they were just as bad as the whites/etc
I've linked much documentation in other forums/threads
..I quoted one time where they were attacking each other/HATED each other/murdered each other so much as one of the reasons they could not defeat the EVIL [ hahahaha ] whites

 

[harmonica]

Yeah. Rough reservation.
Souix tribe out of Twin Cities.
View attachment 212436 View attachment 212437
Average house of Tribal member on this reservation.
This tribe found a way to get theirs back from the white man.
One armed bandits.

The lengths some whites will go to in order to deny the truth of their wrongdoing. These reservations don't look like that.

One example of a successful non white represents all of them, making any claim of white racism false, but we must always make sure that we point out that not all whites are racists or have participated in wrongs against people of color.

So do you think that black communities which are not considered their own nations while getting aid from the US government annually, are going to be allowed to get cities and states to change zoning ordinances to enable all black neighborhoods to build and run casinos?

This is why I hate debating dumb whites.

I am white, who agrees that even today Native Indians are still down in the dumps for various reasons such as poor land given to them, that many treaties were broken by the Whites, that they forced onto reservations.

However you are a hater who dredges up oppression real or imagined of long ago, then beat the big bad republican whites over their heads with it while ignoring many examples of black on black, or black on white atrocities of today.

Your way doesn't solve anything but stir up animosity with people you clearly hate.

Drop your hate, become a beacon as a fine human being.

I agree
I talk of facts/history---I do not hate

 

[Crepitus]

It's was all theirs to start with.

Bullshit. A handful of indians did not own the entire US. Furthermore, if they are just a bunch of unconnected tribes who are always at war with each other, then it was just a lawless land. Europeans came in a civilized it through might. Thats the way it worked back then. The strongest ruled.

Yeah, they did. Also Canada and Mexico.

 

[IM2]

White people are funny. Whites tried to wipe out the Native Americans and you say this.

Don’t blame all whites for the imbecile white supremacist trash.

I'm not. Please stop assuming criticism of one white persons post represents criticism of all white people.

why dont you stop assuming someone is a racist just because they had the gall and audacity to disagree with you.....

Because I don't assume people are racist for disagreeing with me.

 

[flacaltenn]

White slavemasters owned 4 million slaves and killed 600,000 to keep them

That is ridiculous nonsense RW...

Actually it's true.

It is also true at least 75% of whites didn't own slaves

"Who Owned Slaves and Where Did They Live?

9. In 1860, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, 75 percent of white families in the United States owned not a single slave, while 1 percent of families owned 40 or more. Just a tenth of 1 percent of Americans owned 100 or more slaves.

10. That same year, 1860, 31 percent of all slaves in the U.S. were held on plantations of 40 or more slaves, while a majority (53 percent) were held on farms of between 7 and 39 slaves, says the institute.

11. Also, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute, of the total African-American population in 1860, nearly 90 percent were slaves. And, while blacks made up only 13 percent of the entire country, in the South one in three people was black."

It's also true that in 1860, there were more FREE blacks in South than in the North.

 

[IM2]

I will NEVER forget the thread about Confederates, slavery and the Confederate flag, that loon Lakota was squealing like a stuck pig until I pointed out to him Native Americans owned slaves, fought along side the Confederates and had battle flags with the Stars and Bars on them

Freaking priceless, he left that thread so fast my head spun

Native Americans and Hispanics in New Mexico duke it out all of the time over who is a bigger victim.

Both have a nasty history. But they love the blame game.

Racist whites and their false equivalences.

No false equivalency. They have a history of killing each other.

.
It is a false equivalance. Native Americans and Hispanics are "Indian" tribes. So you show me when they invaded and colonized Europe and tried killing off as many whites as possible then claim they discovered the land.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's true. Just accept the facts. The Indian Removal policy was real.

Thomas Jefferson: Architect of Indian Removal Policy

Near the end of his presidency—and as the War of 1812 approached—Jefferson offered only two options to Indian people, Clifford Trafzer wrote in his 2009 book American Indians/American Presidents. Indians could “be absorbed” into the United States or face military obliteration.

Thomas Jefferson: Architect of Indian Removal Policy - IndianCountryToday.com

what was the indian removal policy - Yahoo Search Results

It's the founder's fault the Indians practiced slavery??? What's the point of diverting the topic question here?

Why don't we all take a break from snipping at each other and go STOP the slavery that STILL among us in the world? Don't understand why that was not done a CENTURY ago. Do you? Are you signed on to killing modern slavery to it's roots in your lifetime? I'd do it If there was a movement behind it.

Do you think you'll ever have the balls to tell the whites here about how they create race baiting threads?

You think THIS is a race baiting thread? It's just historical fact. Whites owned slaves in America, Blacks owned slaves in America, and Indians owned slaves in America. Slavery was a relic that infected the entire world prior to the Enlightenment. Including Africa. Still EXISTS in parts of Africa. The magnitude and "commerce" of INTERNATIONAL slave trade was definitely 100 times worse. But only because the white man ABUSED that global reach that he had to do it before the practice was virtually ended.

And yes -- we commonly close or move any type of baiting thread. If it becomes a habit -- we act on that.

Plus slavery is alive and well in the world today with an estimated 24 Million slaves.

No white owners involved.

You're wrong. Slavery thrives in Europe today.

That's almost inclusively counting forced or coerced prostitution. Not that that is OK -- but it's not done from a sense of superiority and racist conviction. It's is a criminal enterprise. And some of it is NOT technically slavery, but more like indentured servitude for folks without options.

 

[Harry Dresden]

White people are funny. Whites tried to wipe out the Native Americans and you say this.

Don’t blame all whites for the imbecile white supremacist trash.

I'm not. Please stop assuming criticism of one white persons post represents criticism of all white people.

why dont you stop assuming someone is a racist just because they had the gall and audacity to disagree with you.....

Because I don't assume people are racist for disagreeing with me.

yea right... you proved that already with me.....i was a racist for posting something Maxine Waters said about Pres.Obama....which you did not like,so i was a racist for having the gall to post what she said,not me,her.....

 

[IM2]

White slavemasters owned 4 million slaves and killed 600,000 to keep them

That is ridiculous nonsense RW...

Actually it's true.

It is also true at least 75% of whites didn't own slaves

"Who Owned Slaves and Where Did They Live?

9. In 1860, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History, 75 percent of white families in the United States owned not a single slave, while 1 percent of families owned 40 or more. Just a tenth of 1 percent of Americans owned 100 or more slaves.

10. That same year, 1860, 31 percent of all slaves in the U.S. were held on plantations of 40 or more slaves, while a majority (53 percent) were held on farms of between 7 and 39 slaves, says the institute.

11. Also, according to the Gilder Lehrman Institute, of the total African-American population in 1860, nearly 90 percent were slaves. And, while blacks made up only 13 percent of the entire country, in the South one in three people was black."

It's also true that in 1860, there were more FREE blacks in South than in the North.

No that is not true

In 1790, when the first census was taken, African Americans numbered about 760,000—about 19% of the population. In 1860, at the start of the Civil War, the African-American population increased to 4.4 million, but the percentage rate dropped to 14% of the overall population of the country. The vast majority were slaves, with only 488,000 counted as “freemen.” By 1900, the black population had doubled and reached 8.8 million. In 1910, about 90% of African Americans lived in the South, but large numbers began migrating north looking for better job opportunities and living conditions, and to escape Jim Crow and racial violence.

African-American Population

Less than 1 percent of all blacks commit crimes, so then shall we excuse that also?

 

[Yarddog]

Time for all Indian casinos to be handed over to descendants of their slaves.

Slavery among Native Americans in the United States - Wikipedia

I have to say, I think this probably is a pretty bad attempt because the scale of slavery was minute in comparison to black african slavery. There's no outrage because all the Indians were displaced and became a shadow of their former selves. Though, one of the most interesting reads would be to study about the comanche indians. By far , what they did to their fellow Indians and Spanish was off the chart brutal before westward expansion ever made contact with them. When they captured other Indian women... if they didnt kill them, they would often cut off their noses and ears.... beat the crap out of them continually and if they did survive they would spend what was left of their life working until their fingers were worn out stubs. It was a pretty harsh world. They drove the Apaches out of Texas completely and Into Arizona then just about single handedly prevented the move west until the civil war was over.

 

[IM2]

It's the founder's fault the Indians practiced slavery??? What's the point of diverting the topic question here?

Why don't we all take a break from snipping at each other and go STOP the slavery that STILL among us in the world? Don't understand why that was not done a CENTURY ago. Do you? Are you signed on to killing modern slavery to it's roots in your lifetime? I'd do it If there was a movement behind it.

Do you think you'll ever have the balls to tell the whites here about how they create race baiting threads?

You think THIS is a race baiting thread? It's just historical fact. Whites owned slaves in America, Blacks owned slaves in America, and Indians owned slaves in America. Slavery was a relic that infected the entire world prior to the Enlightenment. Including Africa. Still EXISTS in parts of Africa. The magnitude and "commerce" of INTERNATIONAL slave trade was definitely 100 times worse. But only because the white man ABUSED that global reach that he had to do it before the practice was virtually ended.

And yes -- we commonly close or move any type of baiting thread. If it becomes a habit -- we act on that.

Plus slavery is alive and well in the world today with an estimated 24 Million slaves.

No white owners involved.

You're wrong. Slavery thrives in Europe today.

That's almost inclusively counting forced or coerced prostitution. Not that that is OK -- but it's not done from a sense of superiority and racist conviction. It's is a criminal enterprise. And some of it is NOT technically slavery, but more like indentured servitude for folks without options.

This is a race baiting thread. Your discretion on that issue is piss poor.

Blacks were coerced and forced into slavery flacaltenn. Stop making excuses for whites.

From:
Did Black People Own Slaves?
Henry Louis Gates Jr.

How Many Slaves Did Blacks Own?

So what do the actual numbers of black slave owners and their slaves tell us? In 1830, the year most carefully studied by Carter G. Woodson, about 13.7 percent (319,599) of the black population was free. Of these, 3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves, out of a total of 2,009,043 slaves owned in the entire United States, so the numbers of slaves owned by black people over all was quite small by comparison with the number owned by white people. In his essay, " 'The Known World' of Free Black Slaveholders," Thomas J. Pressly, using Woodson's statistics, calculated that 54 (or about 1 percent) of these black slave owners in 1830 owned between 20 and 84 slaves; 172 (about 4 percent) owned between 10 to 19 slaves; and 3,550 (about 94 percent) each owned between 1 and 9 slaves. Crucially, 42 percent owned just one slave.
Pressly also shows that the percentage of free black slave owners as the total number of free black heads of families was quite high in several states, namely 43 percent in South Carolina, 40 percent in Louisiana, 26 percent in Mississippi, 25 percent in Alabama and 20 percent in Georgia. So why did these free black people own these slaves?

It is reasonable to assume that the 42 percent of the free black slave owners who owned just one slave probably owned a family member to protect that person, as did many of the other black slave owners who owned only slightly larger numbers of slaves. As Woodson put it in 1924's Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830, "The census records show that the majority of the Negro owners of slaves were such from the point of view of philanthropy. In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa … Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he did not thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported to the numerators."

Moreover, Woodson explains, "Benevolent Negroes often purchased slaves to make their lot easier by granting them their freedom for a nominal sum, or by permitting them to work it out on liberal terms." In other words, these black slave-owners, the clear majority, cleverly used the system of slavery to protect their loved ones. That's the good news.

https://www.theroot.com/did-black-people-own-slaves-1790895436

So while you ignore this to lecture on your "facts" of how blacks owned slaves, your "facts" leave out important information which means you are not stating truth. Your "facts" of African slavery fails to make the distinction between chattel slavery practiced by whites as opposed to debt, military war captives and criminal slavery.

 

[flacaltenn]

No that is not true

I suspected you had reading issues. But you have problems with statistics and pie charts as well. If the UPPER south had 3% free blacks in their total population and the Lower South had 1% free blacks in their population -----

How in hell can that combined percentage of FREE BLACKS not be more than the 1% in the North??

I wasn't initially talking about it as percent of total population, but if you can't read that chart -- I'll probably not bother you with the details. LOL.......

 

[IM2]

you decided toy woyld usean example f somone black who disagrrewith Pbama like hersayingtha maesitso. This is watracss do Dresden.

White people are funny. Whites tried to wipe out the Native Americans and you say this.

Don’t blame all whites for the imbecile white supremacist trash.

I'm not. Please stop assuming criticism of one white persons post represents criticism of all white people.

why dont you stop assuming someone is a racist just because they had the gall and audacity to disagree with you.....

Because I don't assume people are racist for disagreeing with me.

yea right... you proved that already with me.....i was a racist for posting something Maxine Waters said about Pres.Obama....which you did not like,so i was a racist for having the gall to post what she said,not me,her.....

What you said was racist. For example, what did the republican majority in congress do for blacks while Obama was in office? Thy are the ones who appropriate the money for programs. You didn't say shit about them but you wanted to blame Obama. So then you wanted to try using the words of someone else black to try justifying your argument. Maxine Watters is not the only black person in congress and there are many others on the CBC who did not agree with her assessment. That's what racists do Dresden.

 

[IM2]

No that is not true

I suspected you had reading issues. But you have problems with statistics and pie charts as well. If the UPPER south had 3% free blacks in their total population and the Lower South had 1% free blacks in their population -----

How in hell can that combined percentage of FREE BLACKS not be more than the 1% in the North??

I wasn't initially talking about it as percent of total population, but if you can't read that chart -- I'll probably not bother you with the details. LOL.......

I have no such problem. But you do. Your basic problem begins with your mental inability to accept reality. After that nothing else matters. I didn't male the chart, so...…..