America should do as the Swiss, and require everyone have an AR-15 rifle.

[Daryl Hunt]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

You do know you just argued against yourself and gave the reasons the AR was originally a Military Rifle and agreed with everything I have said. BTW. they are playing around with a composite cased 6.8 that is the same cartridge weight as the 556 meaning the rifle will operate the same, look the same but have a slightly heavier punch. In fact, if the test come off as they think it will, the existing M-16s and M-4s can be easily adapted to use the new round far cheaper than buying new guns.

It seems you have some reading comprehension difficulties I was speaking of the 5.56 round as it was erroneously stated that it does "more damage"

More damage than what?

The 5.56 is not a powerful round.
But as far as the rifle that shoots a 5.56mm round it doesn't matter if that rifle is a blabk plastic rifle or any other rifle they all perform virtually identically

You failed to mention that there is a difference between the 223 that the normal AR fires and the 556 Nato that the Military Rifles fire and the high end ARs can fire safely. There is a difference in the cylinder where the 556 Nato has more of a chamber and the 223 has a standard tight fitting chamber. This is why the 556 Nato Round rifles are less accurate with the 223 and the 223 rated ARs are less accurate with the 556 Nato, not to mention more dangerous to the shooter. In a 556 Nato Round Rated Rifle shooting 556 Nato, the projectile is over 300 fps faster making it more dangerous.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

America should do as the Swiss government does and require everyone to have a Millitary type rifle. We are at war with terrorists who are all armed with fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles. Its time we wake up to that fact.

The AR-15 is not a military rifle.

It is an exact copy of an M-16 except for the full-auto option. The M-16 is a war weapon. If A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Get it?

You are so full of shit your eyes are probably brown!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

They are shorter and lighter than some rifles. And being magazine fed means they are faster to reload then other rifles. But that is almost all semi-auto rifles (except for a few .22s that have a tubular magazine).

There are several rifles I think are better for killing a bunch of people fast. Notably, any of the .308NATO/7.62x51mm semi-autos. The FN-FAL, M1A, and other .308s are more accurate at longer ranged.

As a matter of fact, a good bolt action (the kind used for hunting) makes an excellent sniper rifle. I think they are more dangerous than the ARs, they just don't rack up the numbers as quickly.

they just don't rack up the numbers as quickly
Yes, eliminating AR-type rifles is pure damage control. That's all it is. Maybe a few less people will be killed with a slower rifle.

How many people did the Virginia Tech shooter kill with two pistols? My God, you are a dumbass!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

America should do as the Swiss government does and require everyone to have a Millitary type rifle. We are at war with terrorists who are all armed with fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles. Its time we wake up to that fact.

The AR-15 is not a military rifle.

It is an exact copy of an M-16 except for the full-auto option. The M-16 is a war weapon. If A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Get it?

You are so full of shit your eyes are probably brown!

Why, because she calls 'em like she sees 'em? She's an Old Lady. Treat her like you would your Mom unless this is exactly how you treated your Mom and that would explain a lot of things about you.

 

[Blues Man]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.
11. Is the AR-15 more deadly than other types of guns?
Yes. Studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics – including semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines like the AR-15 – result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms.
What You Need To Know About The AR-15

If you bothered to look into murders committed with guns you'll find that handguns are the weapon of choice

If the Ar 15 was "more deadly" then there would be far more murders committed with them than the less than 2% currently

The AR is the weapon of choice by the well dressed and fashionable Mass Shooter going for the record. Something that no Fashion Conscious Mass Shooter would leave home without.

So what?

It makes sense that one of the most popular rifles in the country will be used to commit crimes.

I'm sure the most popular car in the country is used as a getaway car in some crimes too.

Millions of people own AR15 rifles and a minuscule fraction of people use them to commit murder

MOre people are killed with knives than Ar 15 rifles every year where's the call to ban knives?

 

[Blues Man]

America should do as the Swiss government does and require everyone to have a Millitary type rifle. We are at war with terrorists who are all armed with fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles. Its time we wake up to that fact.

The AR-15 is not a military rifle.

It is an exact copy of an M-16 except for the full-auto option. The M-16 is a war weapon. If A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Get it?

You are so full of shit your eyes are probably brown!

Why, because she calls 'em like she sees 'em? She's an Old Lady. Treat her like you would your Mom unless this is exactly how you treated your Mom and that would explain a lot of things about you.

She says she's an old lady

No one here knows how old she is

 

[Blues Man]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

You do know you just argued against yourself and gave the reasons the AR was originally a Military Rifle and agreed with everything I have said. BTW. they are playing around with a composite cased 6.8 that is the same cartridge weight as the 556 meaning the rifle will operate the same, look the same but have a slightly heavier punch. In fact, if the test come off as they think it will, the existing M-16s and M-4s can be easily adapted to use the new round far cheaper than buying new guns.

It seems you have some reading comprehension difficulties I was speaking of the 5.56 round as it was erroneously stated that it does "more damage"

More damage than what?

The 5.56 is not a powerful round.
But as far as the rifle that shoots a 5.56mm round it doesn't matter if that rifle is a blabk plastic rifle or any other rifle they all perform virtually identically

You failed to mention that there is a difference between the 223 that the normal AR fires and the 556 Nato that the Military Rifles fire and the high end ARs can fire safely. There is a difference in the cylinder where the 556 Nato has more of a chamber and the 223 has a standard tight fitting chamber. This is why the 556 Nato Round rifles are less accurate with the 223 and the 223 rated ARs are less accurate with the 556 Nato, not to mention more dangerous to the shooter. In a 556 Nato Round Rated Rifle shooting 556 Nato, the projectile is over 300 fps faster making it more dangerous.

I didn't mention the .223 round at all you did.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.
11. Is the AR-15 more deadly than other types of guns?
Yes. Studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics – including semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines like the AR-15 – result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms.
What You Need To Know About The AR-15

If you bothered to look into murders committed with guns you'll find that handguns are the weapon of choice

If the Ar 15 was "more deadly" then there would be far more murders committed with them than the less than 2% currently

The AR is the weapon of choice by the well dressed and fashionable Mass Shooter going for the record. Something that no Fashion Conscious Mass Shooter would leave home without.

So what?

It makes sense that one of the most popular rifles in the country will be used to commit crimes.

I'm sure the most popular car in the country is used as a getaway car in some crimes too.

Millions of people own AR15 rifles and a minuscule fraction of people use them to commit murder

MOre people are killed with knives than Ar 15 rifles every year where's the call to ban knives?

It's not because it's the most popular. Actually, it's the 2nd most numerous. But it's not the most popular by a long shot. Most hunters buy one gun for each use. One for varmints, one for Antelope, one for Deer and Elk and maybe one for Bear. The ONLY use for the AR would be for Varmints and there are much better rifles out there for that. You gunnutters buy a few of them so the numbers look large. In reality, if you go by household, the AR is one of the least owned. The MOST owned is still the old standby Savage Model 60 beating out the Model 700 and 70 respectively. I think the Savage in the 308 and 7mm is up there as well. But we one one for each caliber, not a wall full of them.

I already stated the reasons that an AR is used for the well dressed hip mass murderer. And it doesn't have anything to do with looking cool or how sexy the gun is. Let's face it, for the same money, you can have a Savage Axis II with some mighty nice trim and braiding done for less and it shoots rings around the stock AR-15 Clone. And it even comes with a decent Scope already bore sighted on it for the price of 369.99. You want to hit the long shot on the varmints, do it in style and comfort. But if you are trying to mow people down that are packed together in a small space, don't use the Savage Axis II, it won't get the body count.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

You do know you just argued against yourself and gave the reasons the AR was originally a Military Rifle and agreed with everything I have said. BTW. they are playing around with a composite cased 6.8 that is the same cartridge weight as the 556 meaning the rifle will operate the same, look the same but have a slightly heavier punch. In fact, if the test come off as they think it will, the existing M-16s and M-4s can be easily adapted to use the new round far cheaper than buying new guns.

It seems you have some reading comprehension difficulties I was speaking of the 5.56 round as it was erroneously stated that it does "more damage"

More damage than what?

The 5.56 is not a powerful round.
But as far as the rifle that shoots a 5.56mm round it doesn't matter if that rifle is a blabk plastic rifle or any other rifle they all perform virtually identically

You failed to mention that there is a difference between the 223 that the normal AR fires and the 556 Nato that the Military Rifles fire and the high end ARs can fire safely. There is a difference in the cylinder where the 556 Nato has more of a chamber and the 223 has a standard tight fitting chamber. This is why the 556 Nato Round rifles are less accurate with the 223 and the 223 rated ARs are less accurate with the 556 Nato, not to mention more dangerous to the shooter. In a 556 Nato Round Rated Rifle shooting 556 Nato, the projectile is over 300 fps faster making it more dangerous.

I didn't mention the .223 round at all you did.

I know. You conveniently left that part out. Glad I could help.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

AR-15's are popular for a reason. They are easier to handle than an ordinary rifle. They are faster shooting. They are easier to load. The bullets do more damage. They were designed to make it as easy as possible to kill a bunch of people fast. That is what they were designed for.
Now explain why American civilians need or even deserve to have a weapon like that in the broom closet.

They are shorter and lighter than some rifles. And being magazine fed means they are faster to reload then other rifles. But that is almost all semi-auto rifles (except for a few .22s that have a tubular magazine).

There are several rifles I think are better for killing a bunch of people fast. Notably, any of the .308NATO/7.62x51mm semi-autos. The FN-FAL, M1A, and other .308s are more accurate at longer ranged.

As a matter of fact, a good bolt action (the kind used for hunting) makes an excellent sniper rifle. I think they are more dangerous than the ARs, they just don't rack up the numbers as quickly.

they just don't rack up the numbers as quickly
Yes, eliminating AR-type rifles is pure damage control. That's all it is. Maybe a few less people will be killed with a slower rifle.

What ?

 

[danielpalos]

we have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well!

 

[Blues Man]

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.
11. Is the AR-15 more deadly than other types of guns?
Yes. Studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics – including semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines like the AR-15 – result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms.
What You Need To Know About The AR-15

If you bothered to look into murders committed with guns you'll find that handguns are the weapon of choice

If the Ar 15 was "more deadly" then there would be far more murders committed with them than the less than 2% currently

The AR is the weapon of choice by the well dressed and fashionable Mass Shooter going for the record. Something that no Fashion Conscious Mass Shooter would leave home without.

So what?

It makes sense that one of the most popular rifles in the country will be used to commit crimes.

I'm sure the most popular car in the country is used as a getaway car in some crimes too.

Millions of people own AR15 rifles and a minuscule fraction of people use them to commit murder

MOre people are killed with knives than Ar 15 rifles every year where's the call to ban knives?

It's not because it's the most popular. Actually, it's the 2nd most numerous. But it's not the most popular by a long shot. Most hunters buy one gun for each use. One for varmints, one for Antelope, one for Deer and Elk and maybe one for Bear. The ONLY use for the AR would be for Varmints and there are much better rifles out there for that. You gunnutters buy a few of them so the numbers look large. In reality, if you go by household, the AR is one of the least owned. The MOST owned is still the old standby Savage Model 60 beating out the Model 700 and 70 respectively. I think the Savage in the 308 and 7mm is up there as well. But we one one for each caliber, not a wall full of them.

I already stated the reasons that an AR is used for the well dressed hip mass murderer. And it doesn't have anything to do with looking cool or how sexy the gun is. Let's face it, for the same money, you can have a Savage Axis II with some mighty nice trim and braiding done for less and it shoots rings around the stock AR-15 Clone. And it even comes with a decent Scope already bore sighted on it for the price of 369.99. You want to hit the long shot on the varmints, do it in style and comfort. But if you are trying to mow people down that are packed together in a small space, don't use the Savage Axis II, it won't get the body count.

You'll note I said one of the most popular and not the most popular.

And if it is the second most numerous it is one of the most popular.

And tell me why the AR 15 is used in less than 1% of murders if it is the weapon of choice .

 

[Blues Man]

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.

One theory why the 5.56 round was adopted by the military because it was less deadly not more. The 5.56 NATO round is small and light so a soldier can carry more into battle they are are less likely to kill and more likely to wound and incapacitate an enemy.

The strategy behind a less lethal round is that wounding more and killing less is a greater drain on enemy resources than killing an enemy soldier. An enemy can leave a dead soldier on the field and it costs him nothing but wounded soldiers require evacuation and medical attention thus using more of the enemy's resources

Another theory on the reason why the 5.56 round was adopted was that the politics of the world stage post WWII which is probably the real reason why the 5.56 came to be the standard round for American forces.

This is why the U.S. military uses 5.56mm ammo instead of 7.62mm


The 5.56 round is being found to be quite ineffective in battle and the US military is now considering a new basic combat rifle

https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Por...es/English/MilitaryReview_20120831_art004.pdf

You do know you just argued against yourself and gave the reasons the AR was originally a Military Rifle and agreed with everything I have said. BTW. they are playing around with a composite cased 6.8 that is the same cartridge weight as the 556 meaning the rifle will operate the same, look the same but have a slightly heavier punch. In fact, if the test come off as they think it will, the existing M-16s and M-4s can be easily adapted to use the new round far cheaper than buying new guns.

It seems you have some reading comprehension difficulties I was speaking of the 5.56 round as it was erroneously stated that it does "more damage"

More damage than what?

The 5.56 is not a powerful round.
But as far as the rifle that shoots a 5.56mm round it doesn't matter if that rifle is a blabk plastic rifle or any other rifle they all perform virtually identically

You failed to mention that there is a difference between the 223 that the normal AR fires and the 556 Nato that the Military Rifles fire and the high end ARs can fire safely. There is a difference in the cylinder where the 556 Nato has more of a chamber and the 223 has a standard tight fitting chamber. This is why the 556 Nato Round rifles are less accurate with the 223 and the 223 rated ARs are less accurate with the 556 Nato, not to mention more dangerous to the shooter. In a 556 Nato Round Rated Rifle shooting 556 Nato, the projectile is over 300 fps faster making it more dangerous.

I didn't mention the .223 round at all you did.

I know. You conveniently left that part out. Glad I could help.

A distinction without a difference like most of what you post

 

[Desperado]

No, the government shouldn't require you to own a firearm.

No Government should deny you the right to own a firearm either!

 

[mdk]

No, the government shouldn't require you to own a firearm.

No Government should deny you the right to own a firearm either!

You won't get any argument here from me.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I don't need any fucking AR15 in my house.

I am already quite pleased with the deterrent capability of my suitcase nuke.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

No they really aren't. They are about as easy to handle as any small caliber rifle. They don't shoot faster than any other semiautomatic rifle. and the bullets don't do any more damage than any other round of the same caliber.
11. Is the AR-15 more deadly than other types of guns?
Yes. Studies suggest that attacks with semiautomatics – including semiautomatics equipped with large capacity magazines like the AR-15 – result in more shots fired, more persons hit, and more wounds inflicted per victim than do attacks with other firearms.
What You Need To Know About The AR-15

If you bothered to look into murders committed with guns you'll find that handguns are the weapon of choice

If the Ar 15 was "more deadly" then there would be far more murders committed with them than the less than 2% currently

The AR is the weapon of choice by the well dressed and fashionable Mass Shooter going for the record. Something that no Fashion Conscious Mass Shooter would leave home without.

So what?

It makes sense that one of the most popular rifles in the country will be used to commit crimes.

I'm sure the most popular car in the country is used as a getaway car in some crimes too.

Millions of people own AR15 rifles and a minuscule fraction of people use them to commit murder

MOre people are killed with knives than Ar 15 rifles every year where's the call to ban knives?

It's not because it's the most popular. Actually, it's the 2nd most numerous. But it's not the most popular by a long shot. Most hunters buy one gun for each use. One for varmints, one for Antelope, one for Deer and Elk and maybe one for Bear. The ONLY use for the AR would be for Varmints and there are much better rifles out there for that. You gunnutters buy a few of them so the numbers look large. In reality, if you go by household, the AR is one of the least owned. The MOST owned is still the old standby Savage Model 60 beating out the Model 700 and 70 respectively. I think the Savage in the 308 and 7mm is up there as well. But we one one for each caliber, not a wall full of them.

I already stated the reasons that an AR is used for the well dressed hip mass murderer. And it doesn't have anything to do with looking cool or how sexy the gun is. Let's face it, for the same money, you can have a Savage Axis II with some mighty nice trim and braiding done for less and it shoots rings around the stock AR-15 Clone. And it even comes with a decent Scope already bore sighted on it for the price of 369.99. You want to hit the long shot on the varmints, do it in style and comfort. But if you are trying to mow people down that are packed together in a small space, don't use the Savage Axis II, it won't get the body count.

You'll note I said one of the most popular and not the most popular.

And if it is the second most numerous it is one of the most popular.

And tell me why the AR 15 is used in less than 1% of murders if it is the weapon of choice .

The last time we have a near miss school mass shooting, it looked rather odd to see a teen walking down the street wearing a rain coat with an AR under it and the pockets filled with those extra 30 round mags. To things happened. The school went into a 2 hour lockup and the Cops overhwelmed him before he got to the front gate. The Community and the School stopped him without any loss of life by being prepared. The Kid was 17 years old and had his Daddy's gun and extra mags. He said he was going for the record at a Middle School. His target area was during a student sports gathering in the Gym. His weapon of choice and the mass of students might have enable him to gain the new record over the Nevada shooting.


The AR is good for only one thing. It's designed to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in as short a time as possible. It's not designed to be hidden and transported under normal clothing. Unless you tolerate what some areas do where you see people walking down the streets brandishing them which it's going to be damned hard to tell the mass murderers from the gunnutters. Yes, you can hunt varmint with an AR but if you want a far superior varmint rifle in the 223 caliber take a look at the Savage Axis II for a whopping 369.99 and it comes with a 7X40 scope mounted on it and a bull barrel. For varmints, it will run circles around an AR. That is unless you need to empty your mag to maybe get one hit. If that is the case, that's not hunting, that's slaughter. The Savage will put that bullet exactly on target every time unless you screw the pooch.

The fact that most murders are done with Handguns is irrelevant since the handgun can be concealed, transported but can not do the extreme damage at the rate that an AR with extra Mags can do. So the body count is kept down. And if the AR were to be made into a handgun (there is a model but it's still not small enough for easy transport under clothing) then it would become the baddest of the bad. Of course, most shootings even today, like the old Wild Wild West is done out of opportunity and not by planning and that is where the handgun come into it's own.

Mass shooting Records will always be held by the AR because that is what it was designed for since the day Stoner made the first AR-10 and presented it to the Military.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I don't need any fucking AR15 in my house.

I am already quite pleased with the deterrent capability of my suitcase nuke.

Danged, where can I get one? Is there a Used Suitcase Nuke Traveling Salesman coming to my area soon?

 

[harmonica]

America should do as the Swiss government does and require everyone to have a Millitary type rifle. We are at war with terrorists who are all armed with fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles. Its time we wake up to that fact.

dumbshit
Proposed Missouri Law Would Force Every Adult Resident to Buy an AR-15

.......this is one of the DUMBEST ideas ever--this guy should be put in an insane asylum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...forget the gun aspect of it--but FORCING Americans to buy something OBVIOUSLY not needed is STUPID
Proposed Missouri Law Would Force Every Adult Resident to Buy an AR-15[/QUOTE]

 

[danielpalos]

America should do as the Swiss government does and require everyone to have a Millitary type rifle. We are at war with terrorists who are all armed with fully automatic AK-47 assault rifles. Its time we wake up to that fact.

dumbshit
Proposed Missouri Law Would Force Every Adult Resident to Buy an AR-15

.......this is one of the DUMBEST ideas ever--this guy should be put in an insane asylum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...forget the gun aspect of it--but FORCING Americans to buy something OBVIOUSLY not needed is STUPID
Proposed Missouri Law Would Force Every Adult Resident to Buy an AR-15

and muster the militia until we have no security problems.