America & Nazi Germany

[Unkotare]

The internment camps are in no way comparable to the Axis concentrations camps.

In no way other than that they were, in fact, concentration camps. That's more than inexcusable.

The internment camps did not deprive those held of food, water, shelter, medical care, nor other basic necessities.

I never said they did, despite whatever lie Fakey may tell next. I just called them what FDR said they were: concentration camps.

 

[Unkotare]

"Following the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, President Franklin D. Roosevelt issued Executive Order 9066, which permitted the military to circumvent the constitutional safeguards of American citizens in the name of national defense.

The order set into motion the exclusion from certain areas, and the evacuation and mass incarceration of 120,000 persons of Japanese ancestry living on the West Coast, most of whom were U.S. citizens or legal permanent resident aliens.

These Japanese Americans, half of whom were children, were incarcerated for up to 4 years, without due process of law or any factual basis, in bleak, remote camps surrounded by barbed wire and armed guards.

They were forced to evacuate their homes and leave their jobs; in some cases family members were separated and put into different camps. President Roosevelt himself called the 10 facilities "concentration camps."

Some Japanese Americans died in the camps due to inadequate medical care and the emotional stresses they encountered. Several were killed by military guards posted for allegedly resisting orders.

At the time, Executive Order 9066 was justified as a "military necessity" to protect against domestic espionage and sabotage. However, it was later documented that "our government had in its possession proof that not one Japanese American, citizen or not, had engaged in espionage, not one had committed any act of sabotage." (Michi Weglyn, 1976).

Rather, the causes for this unprecedented action in American history, according to the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment of Civilians, "were motivated largely by racial prejudice, wartime hysteria, and a failure of political leadership."

Almost 50 years later, through the efforts of leaders and advocates of the Japanese American community, Congress passed the Civil Liberties Act of 1988. Popularly known as the Japanese American Redress Bill, this act acknowledged that "a grave injustice was done" and mandated Congress to pay each victim of internment $20,000 in reparations.

The reparations were sent with a signed apology from the President of the United States on behalf of the American people. The period for reparations ended in August of 1998.

Despite this redress, the mental and physical health impacts of the trauma of the internment experience continue to affect tens of thousands of Japanese Americans. Health studies have shown a 2 times greater incidence of heart disease and premature death among former internees, compared to noninterned Japanese Americans."

Children of the Camps | INTERNMENT HISTORY

 

[Peach]

DACHAU:

Death Marches

Thousands of the emaciated dead were seen by US troops, the few left alive were often starved to the point of being unable to digest food. Typhus was rampant, rotting remains of corpses, drew the few uneaten animals in the area to gnaw at the bones of the dead and still living. No water was available,and the stench of feces, urine, decomposing bodies, and the blood soaked ground led Eisenhower to start the first "tours" of this CONCENTRATION, not death camp, by local residents.

The healthier captives were forced on the DEATH marches, falling behind, trying to snatch an edible road plant by the side of the road, or slowing down to catch precious water from falling rain, meant immediate death by a bullet in the head; those close by might also be shot. No food or water was given to those on the death marches. The purpose of the marches was to prevent the healthier victims from talking to the ever closer Allies. Some were meant to be slave labor in Germany, by now a fantasy actually.

The photos of the "good" Germans who came to the camps are classics; many complained it was inhuman to make THEM, well fed, and cared for, view the horrors.

HowStuffWorks "Doctor Death"

http://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/buchenwald012.jpg

Notice the brave Germans turned their heads at their leaders "work". Some able bodied German men wee forced to dig graves for the bones, they too protested it was "cruel". Now write any similarities with the internment camps in the US please.

 

[Unkotare]

Now write any similarities with the internment camps in the US please.

Who has proposed to do that, besides Fakey? The only comparison that I have pointed out is that they were both concentration camps. Any similarities beyond that are the product of Fakey's imagination and dishonesty.

 

[Peach]

Ok, I use internment camps, as that was the phrase used in the litigation for restitution. Whether the restitution was adequate is another debate.

 

[Unkotare]

Ok, I use internment camps, as that was the phrase used in the litigation for restitution. Whether the restitution was adequate is another debate.

'Concentration camp' is the term FDR used, and he is the guilty party.

 

[Unkotare]

http://placerbuddhistchurch.org/newsletter-archive/PBC-Okazu-201112.pdf

 

[Unkotare]

Go For Broke National Education Center - Preserving the Legacy of the Japanese American Veterans of World War II

 

[JakeStarkey]

Misrepresenting someone else's position is reprehensible, but Fakey lacks the character to stop himself from doing so.

You compared one directly and the other indirectly. The post numbers have already been listed above.

You lack integrity to accept what you post.

YOU really shouldn't be using the word "integrity" at all, liar. This entire meltdown of yours is based on conclusions YOU made and have been trying to falsely attribute to me. You are a dishonest piece of shit. This all started because you didn't know what "concentration camp" meant and your little ego got all upset. That does not excuse your blatant and repeated dishonesty.

In other words, you have nothing. Duly noted.

 

[Artevelde]

Can you two get a Jake and Unkotare thread started?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Unkotare is merely upset he made false comparisons and got called on it.

OK, Unk, have the last and lost word, and let's move on.

 

[Unkotare]

OK, Unk, have the last and lost word, and let's move on.

Gee thanks. How about you stop being a dishonest douchebag and then you move on to fuck yourself, you ignorant fucking low-life? How about you stop trying to misrepresent people just to cover your bruised little ego, you fucking no-class piece of shit? If you weren't so fucking ignorant to begin with, you wouldn't have put yourself in a position where you felt you had to LIE over and over and over again.

 

[sealybobo]

There was no "official" term limit for president before FDR. We didn't need it. You could say that FDR seized power to run for his 3rd and 4th terms in a similar way that Hitler initially gained power in Germany, with political intimidation, media talkeover and the threat of violence.

No comparison exists between FDR and Hitler. FDR won an open election fair and square.
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When he came to power, Hitler was hugely popular in Germany.






And of course he and FDR shared a fondness for concentration camps.

Trump is popular too and he likes concentration camps too.

And a man who lived in FDR's camps says Trump's camps are worse

https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/george-takei-trump-border-policy-worse-than-japanese-internment-camps/

So who cares what you think. George is an expert on this subject not you. At least FDR didn't separate families.

 

[harmonica]

There was no "official" term limit for president before FDR. We didn't need it. You could say that FDR seized power to run for his 3rd and 4th terms in a similar way that Hitler initially gained power in Germany, with political intimidation, media talkeover and the threat of violence.

No comparison exists between FDR and Hitler. FDR won an open election fair and square.
.

When he came to power, Hitler was hugely popular in Germany.






And of course he and FDR shared a fondness for concentration camps.

Trump is popular too and he likes concentration camps too.

And a man who lived in FDR's camps says Trump's camps are worse

https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/george-takei-trump-border-policy-worse-than-japanese-internment-camps/

So who cares what you think. George is an expert on this subject not you. At least FDR didn't separate families.

he was American inside the US
these other shitheads are FOREIGNERS outside the US trying to get in
BIG difference
George is NOT an expert on FOREIGNERS trying to come into the US illegally, now is he?

 

[Picaro]

Actually the internment only affected one military district, at the request of the local commander in charge, and it was entirely justified by activities, and the fact that over a third of the Japanese were not citizens and would never be citizens, they were noted for their avid support of Japan and its conquests for decades, including raising aid for Japanese troops, almost none ever reported Japanese agents actively recruiting spies and saboteurs in their communities in the years leading up to the war, and of course the Niheau Incident in Hawaii also was a big contributor. All this after the fact rubbish is just FDR bashing nonsense, peddled by Ann Coulter in some hack book she wrote a while back and picked up by Limbaugh's Loud Loonies as if it were some sort of Big Giant Atrocity N Stuff.

 

[Picaro]

There was no "official" term limit for president before FDR. We didn't need it. You could say that FDR seized power to run for his 3rd and 4th terms in a similar way that Hitler initially gained power in Germany, with political intimidation, media talkeover and the threat of violence.

No comparison exists between FDR and Hitler. FDR won an open election fair and square.
.

When he came to power, Hitler was hugely popular in Germany.






And of course he and FDR shared a fondness for concentration camps.

Trump is popular too and he likes concentration camps too.

And a man who lived in FDR's camps says Trump's camps are worse

https://nypost.com/2018/06/19/george-takei-trump-border-policy-worse-than-japanese-internment-camps/

So who cares what you think. George is an expert on this subject not you. At least FDR didn't separate families.

Yes, it was obvious the little girl returned to her mother recently was starved nearly to death and beaten every minute she was interned

You are one sick ass liar, and a prime example of who should be interned and deported before they hurt an American citizen or commit terrorist acts. you and Unkotare can share a cell and play with each other's feces.

 

[Unkotare]

Actually the internment only affected one military district.....

Just the entire West Coast of the United States.

 

[Unkotare]

..... it was entirely justified by activities.......

Wrong, and the scumbag fdr knew it was not.

 

[Unkotare]

... actively recruiting spies and saboteurs in their communities......

NO Japanese Americans were ever convicted of espionage or sabotage throughout the war. The same cannot be said of German Americans.

 

[Unkotare]

.....and of course the Niheau Incident in Hawaii also was a big contributor. ......

Wrong. Japanese Americans on the West Coast were thrown into fdr's concentration camps, but the Japanese population of Hawaii was not.