America & Nazi Germany

[Peach]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

 

[Oddball]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

 

[Peach]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

We did not, is your real name PETAIN by any chance? You do not seem to have learned about the millions killed by REAL Fascists, read up on it.

 

[Peach]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

As the FAR right decided to ignore Hitler, FDR was initiating Lend Lease, or perhaps you missed that in your "studies".

 

[Oddball]

As someone with plenty of Alsatian blood coursing through his veins, I impolitely invite you to ram it up your liberoidal ass.

FDR provoked war with Japan, via economic embargo and directly with the AVG (Flying Tigers), who were flying combat missions well before 7 December'41.

France, England and the good ole USA sold Poland down the river to the reds...."Fuck the Poles", said the craven traitors who declared war on Germany over the 1 September '39 Nazi invasion.

America ended up enabling and empowering both Stalin and Mao, who out-slaughtered Hitler by a factor of no less than ten.

You are one seriously sad excuse of an historian.

 

[PeteEU]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

As the FAR right decided to ignore Hitler, FDR was initiating Lend Lease, or perhaps you missed that in your "studies".

That is not exactly how it was.

FDR was pretty much the only who stood up to Congress and the prevailing political view among elected politicians in both parties, but especially in the pro-business pro-eugenics types... that Hitler was the man to back in Europe over the British Empire, which at the time was seen as a threat to the US. At the time, Hitler's policies were closer to the US's own views than that of their "enemy" the British Empire... both economically and socially.

Even among FDRs cabinet there was Hitler supporters who were lobbying FDR not to back the UK up.

Now when I say Hitler supporters.. I dont mean raving NAZI's. The motivation to support Hitler over the UK varied from business (Bush's grandfather for example) to the threat of the British Empire on US aspirations world wide. They simply saw Nazi Germany as the best bet in a war in Europe and the enemy of my enemy... the British Empire.

 

[Douger]

It was __________ fault !

 

[Douger]

Yep. You guessed it.
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian

 

[Two Thumbs]

FDR was nothing more than a petty tyrant.

krist, that prick confiscated everyone's gold to pay for the wars he wanted.

hundreds of thousands dead and all we got was the Cold War.

 

[Saigon]

France, England and the good ole USA sold Poland down the river to the reds...."Fuck the Poles", said the craven traitors who declared war on Germany over the 1 September '39 Nazi invasion.

I don't think this reading of history stands up.

With Stalin and Hitler having carved up Europe with Molotov-Ribentrop, the Allies were left in the unappealing situation of having to decide when and where to ignite a world war which would potentially cost both tens of thousands of lives.

Both the US and UK acted primarily out of self interest, which is exactly what they should have done. Nothing could have saved Poland in 1939, and the best the Allies could hope for was for he Soviets to block the Western Front, while they attempted to secure their own borders in the west.

Why an English general placing English military needs ahead of Polish ones would be a 'traitor' is beyond me.

 

[Peach]

Thank God we used fascism to fight fascism!

The Road To Serfdom

As the FAR right decided to ignore Hitler, FDR was initiating Lend Lease, or perhaps you missed that in your "studies".

That is not exactly how it was.

FDR was pretty much the only who stood up to Congress and the prevailing political view among elected politicians in both parties, but especially in the pro-business pro-eugenics types... that Hitler was the man to back in Europe over the British Empire, which at the time was seen as a threat to the US. At the time, Hitler's policies were closer to the US's own views than that of their "enemy" the British Empire... both economically and socially.

Even among FDRs cabinet there was Hitler supporters who were lobbying FDR not to back the UK up.

Now when I say Hitler supporters.. I dont mean raving NAZI's. The motivation to support Hitler over the UK varied from business (Bush's grandfather for example) to the threat of the British Empire on US aspirations world wide. They simply saw Nazi Germany as the best bet in a war in Europe and the enemy of my enemy... the British Empire.

Somewhat true, but the fact so many wanted to stay OUT of WWII is pretty much a given, due to our lack of military readiness, and focus on attacking FDR.

 

[Peach]

France, England and the good ole USA sold Poland down the river to the reds...."Fuck the Poles", said the craven traitors who declared war on Germany over the 1 September '39 Nazi invasion.

I don't think this reading of history stands up.

With Stalin and Hitler having carved up Europe with Molotov-Ribentrop, the Allies were left in the unappealing situation of having to decide when and where to ignite a world war which would potentially cost both tens of thousands of lives.

Both the US and UK acted primarily out of self interest, which is exactly what they should have done. Nothing could have saved Poland in 1939, and the best the Allies could hope for was for he Soviets to block the Western Front, while they attempted to secure their own borders in the west.

Why an English general placing English military needs ahead of Polish ones would be a 'traitor' is beyond me.

You are thinking rationally, the anti FDR crowd his him on BOTH sides. "He didn't move fast enough....he did nothing" is the bizarre set of conclusions.

 

[del]

FDR was of course the FIRST world leader to condemn Hitler, way back in 1933; FDR had to fight not only the far right on the economy, but also the same cruds on the war against fascism. Thank God we had an American like him at the helm.

thank god joe kennedy had his back on that


oh, wait...

 

[Peach]

FDR was nothing more than a petty tyrant.

krist, that prick confiscated everyone's gold to pay for the wars he wanted.

hundreds of thousands dead and all we got was the Cold War.

You & those who agree would have us speaking German by now; those of us alive that is.

 

[Peach]

Here is part of the actual EA, gold was not confiscated, the HOARDING of gold not used in trade was, with many exceptions:

Section 1. For the purpose of this regulation, the term 'hoarding" means the withdrawal and withholding of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates from the recognized and customary channels of trade. The term "person" means any individual, partnership, association or corporation.

Section 2. All persons are hereby required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, to a Federal Reserve bank or a branch or agency thereof or to any member bank of the Federal Reserve System all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them or coming into their ownership on or before April 28, 1933, except the following:

(a) Such amount of gold as may be required for legitimate and customary use in industry, profession or art within a reasonable time, including gold prior to refining and stocks of gold in reasonable amounts for the usual trade requirements of owners mining and refining such gold.

(b) Gold coin and gold certificates in an amount not exceeding in the aggregate $100.00 belonging to any one person; and gold coins having recognized special value to collectors of rare and unusual coins.

(c) Gold coin and bullion earmarked or held in trust for a recognized foreign government or foreign central bank or the Bank for International Settlements.

(d) Gold coin and bullion licensed for the other proper transactions (not involving hoarding) including gold coin and gold bullion imported for the re-export or held pending action on applications for export license.

Executive Order 6102 - Wikisource

 

[regent]

In any case historians have always placed FDR in the top three of American presidents, and the latest poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts rated FDR as America's best president bar none. Washington and Lincoln captured second and third place.

 

[Peach]

As someone with plenty of Alsatian blood coursing through his veins, I impolitely invite you to ram it up your liberoidal ass.

FDR provoked war with Japan, via economic embargo and directly with the AVG (Flying Tigers), who were flying combat missions well before 7 December'41.

France, England and the good ole USA sold Poland down the river to the reds...."Fuck the Poles", said the craven traitors who declared war on Germany over the 1 September '39 Nazi invasion.

America ended up enabling and empowering both Stalin and Mao, who out-slaughtered Hitler by a factor of no less than ten.

You are one seriously sad excuse of an historian.

Had I not voted for McCain, and am now considering Romney, you might have made a point. there is a first time for everything.

 

[whitehall]

FDR didn't want to know about Nazi atrosities. Even after his own administration begged him to relax the immigration standards so that Jews could leave Germany he refused. The US had no intelligence network and the State Dept consisted of a bunch of rich liberals who used US embassies for parties. The ambassador to Germany was an honest college professor who was ridiculed by FDR's elite liberals and he was finally relieved of duty when he complained too much about Hitler.

 

[Peach]

FDR didn't want to know about Nazi atrosities. Even after his own administration begged him to relax the immigration standards so that Jews could leave Germany he refused. The US had no intelligence network and the State Dept consisted of a bunch of rich liberals who used US embassies for parties. The ambassador to Germany was an honest college professor who was ridiculed by FDR's elite liberals and he was finally relieved of duty when he complained too much about Hitler.

Not true. Morganthau paid for those on The Voyage of The Damned to be accepted in Europe. The Vrba report was key in informing the US*, though FDR began in 1942 to condemn the atrocity:

With the active intervention of the State Department and the “Joint”, the St. Louis went to England (not Germany), where 288 of the 907 passengers disembarked and survived the Holocaust. The remaining 619 disembarked at Antwerp and went to France, Belgium, and Holland. The leading authorities on the St. Louis estimate that 392 of the 619 who disembarked at Antwerp survived the war. Thus more than 2/3 of the passengers on the St. Louis survived the Holocaust.The passengers knew that Americans had saved them. “Our gratitude is as immense as the ocean on which we are now floating,” they wired Morris Troper of the Joint. Three years later, after Hitler conquered the Netherlands, France, and Belgium, and initiated the Final Solution, 227 of the St. Louis’s 936 passengers became victims of the Holocaust. Of course in June 1939 no one could have foreseen this. The death camps did not even exist in 1939. The Roosevelt Administration had done all it could.
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He denounced the Nazi massacres of Jews in July 1942. He warned Germans of “fearful retribution” in August of that year. On December 17, 1942, Roosevelt and Churchill issued the United Nations Declaration on Jewish Massacres, denouncing “in the strongest possible terms this bestial policy of cold-blooded extermination” of the “Jewish people in Europe.”


This was BEFORE the Vrba report.

 

[whitehall]

FDR didn't want to know about Nazi atrosities. Even after his own administration begged him to relax the immigration standards so that Jews could leave Germany he refused. The US had no intelligence network and the State Dept consisted of a bunch of rich liberals who used US embassies for parties. The ambassador to Germany was an honest college professor who was ridiculed by FDR's elite liberals and he was finally relieved of duty when he complained too much about Hitler.

Not true. Morganthau paid for those on The Voyage of The Damned to be accepted in Europe. The Vrba report was key in informing the US*, though FDR began in 1942 to condemn the atrocity:

With the active intervention of the State Department and the “Joint”, the St. Louis went to England (not Germany), where 288 of the 907 passengers disembarked and survived the Holocaust. The remaining 619 disembarked at Antwerp and went to France, Belgium, and Holland. The leading authorities on the St. Louis estimate that 392 of the 619 who disembarked at Antwerp survived the war. Thus more than 2/3 of the passengers on the St. Louis survived the Holocaust.The passengers knew that Americans had saved them. “Our gratitude is as immense as the ocean on which we are now floating,” they wired Morris Troper of the Joint. Three years later, after Hitler conquered the Netherlands, France, and Belgium, and initiated the Final Solution, 227 of the St. Louis’s 936 passengers became victims of the Holocaust. Of course in June 1939 no one could have foreseen this. The death camps did not even exist in 1939. The Roosevelt Administration had done all it could.
________________________________________________________
He denounced the Nazi massacres of Jews in July 1942. He warned Germans of “fearful retribution” in August of that year. On December 17, 1942, Roosevelt and Churchill issued the United Nations Declaration on Jewish Massacres, denouncing “in the strongest possible terms this bestial policy of cold-blooded extermination” of the “Jewish people in Europe.”


This was BEFORE the Vrba report.

The only agenda for the US ambassador to Germany was to pressure the Nazi regime for the reparations "owed" to the US after WW1. Other than that FDR didn't want to hear of atrocities which were going on throughout the 30's. There was no condemnation of the Nazi regime until it became politically advantageous after the war started. Jews were "encouraged" to emigrate anywhere but the US.