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You can not have a freedom of religion and be a Christian nation at the same time?
True
so many take freedom of religion as being free to impose it within governance
~S~
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for his incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for his incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
I don't generally watch politicians talk. So, I did not watch it.
But I will go out on a limb, and say that Trump said or did nothing racist, subtle or not.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night on our mind. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for Trump's incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it. But, I digress.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for his incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
I don't generally watch politicians talk. So, I did not watch it.
But I will go out on a limb, and say that Trump said or did nothing racist, subtle or not.
In my mind, he did. Unfortunately, the Democrats take it the same way and they really expressed the sentiment.
Because we've strayed so far from our original values and principles, we've forgotten that if the founders had boiled America down to a single word, it would be Liberty. How can you have Liberty when you conflate citizenship with the unalienable Rights like Liberty?
There is a term in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It is where a person can hold two opposing views at the same time. How do we talk about equality and Freedom on one hand, while on the other, presuming that Liberty is connected to citizenship and we should only allow the rich and the educated the opportunity to come here?
In my mind, the equation is upside down. We hand out citizenship as if it were candy and then make much ado about people coming in from south of the border. The nearly one million new citizens we naturalize each year end up on the left, then having a disproportionate representation in Congress, and working to change America into a socialist democracy. We should cut back on naturalization, urge states to refrain from sharing the benefits and privileges of citizenship with non-citizens, and get out of the lives of individuals and business on this issue. Of course, in order to understand why, you would have to go back to post # 1 and read the contents of the first link.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night on our mind. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for Trump's incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it. But, I digress.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
It got off to a bad start when republican's chanted "4 more years" and then when tramp didn't shake Pelosi's hand she outreached to him.
That set it in motion for partisan division.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for his incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
I don't generally watch politicians talk. So, I did not watch it.
But I will go out on a limb, and say that Trump said or did nothing racist, subtle or not.
In my mind, he did. Unfortunately, the Democrats take it the same way and they really expressed the sentiment.
Because we've strayed so far from our original values and principles, we've forgotten that if the founders had boiled America down to a single word, it would be Liberty. How can you have Liberty when you conflate citizenship with the unalienable Rights like Liberty?
There is a term in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It is where a person can hold two opposing views at the same time. How do we talk about equality and Freedom on one hand, while on the other, presuming that Liberty is connected to citizenship and we should only allow the rich and the educated the opportunity to come here?
In my mind, the equation is upside down. We hand out citizenship as if it were candy and then make much ado about people coming in from south of the border. The nearly one million new citizens we naturalize each year end up on the left, then having a disproportionate representation in Congress, and working to change America into a socialist democracy. We should cut back on naturalization, urge states to refrain from sharing the benefits and privileges of citizenship with non-citizens, and get out of the lives of individuals and business on this issue. Of course, in order to understand why, you would have to go back to post # 1 and read the contents of the first link.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
Having people live here and not be citizens and thus not have the rights of citizens,
sounds like YOU are conflating citizenship with rights.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for his incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
I don't generally watch politicians talk. So, I did not watch it.
But I will go out on a limb, and say that Trump said or did nothing racist, subtle or not.
In my mind, he did. Unfortunately, the Democrats take it the same way and they really expressed the sentiment.
Because we've strayed so far from our original values and principles, we've forgotten that if the founders had boiled America down to a single word, it would be Liberty. How can you have Liberty when you conflate citizenship with the unalienable Rights like Liberty?
There is a term in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It is where a person can hold two opposing views at the same time. How do we talk about equality and Freedom on one hand, while on the other, presuming that Liberty is connected to citizenship and we should only allow the rich and the educated the opportunity to come here?
In my mind, the equation is upside down. We hand out citizenship as if it were candy and then make much ado about people coming in from south of the border. The nearly one million new citizens we naturalize each year end up on the left, then having a disproportionate representation in Congress, and working to change America into a socialist democracy. We should cut back on naturalization, urge states to refrain from sharing the benefits and privileges of citizenship with non-citizens, and get out of the lives of individuals and business on this issue. Of course, in order to understand why, you would have to go back to post # 1 and read the contents of the first link.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
Having people live here and not be citizens and thus not have the rights of citizens,
sounds like YOU are conflating citizenship with rights.
EVERYBODY has unalienable Rights. The benefits and privileges of citizenship (voting, getting welfare, Socialist Security, etc.) are NOT Rights. Clearly you are confused on this. Citizenship is a privilege - not a guarantee nor a prerequisite for unalienable Rights.
US Census ____________ Number of slavesAmericans - as distinguished from the colonists under British rule - began phasing the practice out.
1790 ________________ 694,280
1800_________________ 893,602
1810_________________ 1,191,362
1820 _________________1,538,022
1830_________________ 2,009,043
1840_________________ 2,487,355
1850_________________3,204,313
1860_________________3,953,762
Hardly the numbers one associates with the term "phasing out".
As of 1808 no new slaves were being imported. If your numbers are correct, the slave owners must have been taking damn good care of their slaves.
We're all over the board this morning, so I will put my .02 cents worth in (not like it will be addressed or anything), but this is it:
Most of us woke up this morning with Donald Trump and his arrogant State of the Union address last night. I was turned off by Trump and I was disgusted with Nancy Pelosi making faces all night. On issues of Freedom and Liberty, I cringed when the Republicans would rise to applaud for his incessant (and maybe uneducated attacks) on our most basic Liberties. I wanted to spit on the Democrats that sat on their butts when Trump touted some of the good that has been accomplished on a few issues.
At the end of the day, most of Trump's speech could be categorized as his financial agenda and the rest had to do with issues of right and wrong. Trump touched on abortion, lied about his position on the Second Amendment, and really told some whoppers about his nutty wall... which if the statistics Trump used about falling levels of undocumented foreigners and so forth were true, it would negate any need to blow billions of dollars for a wall that will require the forfeiture of many of your God given Liberties in order to enforce it.
The divide between the aisles could not be more pronounced. It's not like we agreed on the objectives and goals we should be pursuing, but disagreed on how to make them happen. No, we were divided by an LGBTQP community versus the subtle racism of Trump. It was the pro-life factions versus those who think nothing of late term abortions. It was about those who believe Trump stands for their gun Rights (he does not as his speech gave him away) against the communist gun grabbers that have no consideration for God given, unalienable Rights.
In my mind, it gives us an opportunity to discuss new aspects of our founding principles versus the direction we're going in this divisive atmosphere where every man tries to be his own God.
I don't generally watch politicians talk. So, I did not watch it.
But I will go out on a limb, and say that Trump said or did nothing racist, subtle or not.
In my mind, he did. Unfortunately, the Democrats take it the same way and they really expressed the sentiment.
Because we've strayed so far from our original values and principles, we've forgotten that if the founders had boiled America down to a single word, it would be Liberty. How can you have Liberty when you conflate citizenship with the unalienable Rights like Liberty?
There is a term in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It is where a person can hold two opposing views at the same time. How do we talk about equality and Freedom on one hand, while on the other, presuming that Liberty is connected to citizenship and we should only allow the rich and the educated the opportunity to come here?
In my mind, the equation is upside down. We hand out citizenship as if it were candy and then make much ado about people coming in from south of the border. The nearly one million new citizens we naturalize each year end up on the left, then having a disproportionate representation in Congress, and working to change America into a socialist democracy. We should cut back on naturalization, urge states to refrain from sharing the benefits and privileges of citizenship with non-citizens, and get out of the lives of individuals and business on this issue. Of course, in order to understand why, you would have to go back to post # 1 and read the contents of the first link.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
Having people live here and not be citizens and thus not have the rights of citizens,
sounds like YOU are conflating citizenship with rights.
EVERYBODY has unalienable Rights. The benefits and privileges of citizenship (voting, getting welfare, Socialist Security, etc.) are NOT Rights. Clearly you are confused on this. Citizenship is a privilege - not a guarantee nor a prerequisite for unalienable Rights.
For non citizens, being here is a privilege. If they are here, their children will be born here and they will be citizens and get all those benefits, in a generation anyways.
US Census ____________ Number of slavesAmericans - as distinguished from the colonists under British rule - began phasing the practice out.
1790 ________________ 694,280
1800_________________ 893,602
1810_________________ 1,191,362
1820 _________________1,538,022
1830_________________ 2,009,043
1840_________________ 2,487,355
1850_________________3,204,313
1860_________________3,953,762
Hardly the numbers one associates with the term "phasing out".
As of 1808 no new slaves were being imported. If your numbers are correct, the slave owners must have been taking damn good care of their slaves.
It’s called breeding
By omission, it makes us a secular nationIn NO DOCUMENT of our founding will you find any words to the effect that we were founded as a secular nation.
The First Amendment only applied to the federal Congress. The states, exercised their civil duties and responsibilities as Christians. Besides, all of that is wholly irrelevant.
We are talking about the founding of America. Funny there is no mention of anything that would lead an objective reader to believe that anything other than Christians approved of the founding documents. No secularist, atheist, non-believer would sign such documents.
US Census ____________ Number of slavesAmericans - as distinguished from the colonists under British rule - began phasing the practice out.
1790 ________________ 694,280
1800_________________ 893,602
1810_________________ 1,191,362
1820 _________________1,538,022
1830_________________ 2,009,043
1840_________________ 2,487,355
1850_________________3,204,313
1860_________________3,953,762
Hardly the numbers one associates with the term "phasing out".
As of 1808 no new slaves were being imported. If your numbers are correct, the slave owners must have been taking damn good care of their slaves.
It’s called breeding
I'm not motivated to check the guy's numbers, but the key to breeding is to take care of your stock, making sure they are healthy, well fed, and cared for. I challenge you to find a connection between this side discussion, intended to derail the thread, and the OP.
By omission, it makes us a secular nationIn NO DOCUMENT of our founding will you find any words to the effect that we were founded as a secular nation.
The First Amendment only applied to the federal Congress. The states, exercised their civil duties and responsibilities as Christians. Besides, all of that is wholly irrelevant.
We are talking about the founding of America. Funny there is no mention of anything that would lead an objective reader to believe that anything other than Christians approved of the founding documents. No secularist, atheist, non-believer would sign such documents.
The first amendment applies to state and local governments
I thought you said you were a lawyer
US Census ____________ Number of slavesAmericans - as distinguished from the colonists under British rule - began phasing the practice out.
1790 ________________ 694,280
1800_________________ 893,602
1810_________________ 1,191,362
1820 _________________1,538,022
1830_________________ 2,009,043
1840_________________ 2,487,355
1850_________________3,204,313
1860_________________3,953,762
Hardly the numbers one associates with the term "phasing out".
As of 1808 no new slaves were being imported. If your numbers are correct, the slave owners must have been taking damn good care of their slaves.
It’s called breeding
I'm not motivated to check the guy's numbers, but the key to breeding is to take care of your stock, making sure they are healthy, well fed, and cared for. I challenge you to find a connection between this side discussion, intended to derail the thread, and the OP.
We breed livestock too
Are you advocating their standard of living for human beings?
Trump is “the chosen one“.
He told us so himself.
he is so honest who could possibly not believe him?
Secular people impose their morality and viewpoints, on others, "within governance" so it is equality for religious people to do the same.
Part of Freedom of Religion, is the freedom for RELIGIOUS people to participate in the political process, that same as secular people.
I don't generally watch politicians talk. So, I did not watch it.
But I will go out on a limb, and say that Trump said or did nothing racist, subtle or not.
In my mind, he did. Unfortunately, the Democrats take it the same way and they really expressed the sentiment.
Because we've strayed so far from our original values and principles, we've forgotten that if the founders had boiled America down to a single word, it would be Liberty. How can you have Liberty when you conflate citizenship with the unalienable Rights like Liberty?
There is a term in psychology called cognitive dissonance. It is where a person can hold two opposing views at the same time. How do we talk about equality and Freedom on one hand, while on the other, presuming that Liberty is connected to citizenship and we should only allow the rich and the educated the opportunity to come here?
In my mind, the equation is upside down. We hand out citizenship as if it were candy and then make much ado about people coming in from south of the border. The nearly one million new citizens we naturalize each year end up on the left, then having a disproportionate representation in Congress, and working to change America into a socialist democracy. We should cut back on naturalization, urge states to refrain from sharing the benefits and privileges of citizenship with non-citizens, and get out of the lives of individuals and business on this issue. Of course, in order to understand why, you would have to go back to post # 1 and read the contents of the first link.
The founders / framers had a vision for the future of America. As long as we stay true to those values and principles, we progress as a nation. When we stray from the blueprint, chaos and regression follow.
Having people live here and not be citizens and thus not have the rights of citizens,
sounds like YOU are conflating citizenship with rights.
EVERYBODY has unalienable Rights. The benefits and privileges of citizenship (voting, getting welfare, Socialist Security, etc.) are NOT Rights. Clearly you are confused on this. Citizenship is a privilege - not a guarantee nor a prerequisite for unalienable Rights.
For non citizens, being here is a privilege. If they are here, their children will be born here and they will be citizens and get all those benefits, in a generation anyways.
Partially true, but only because the average American will not examine the historical facts. The 14th Amendment was never legally ratified. Most people think that the immigration issue is what drives me to oppose the enforcement of that travesty, but it certainly is not.
Let's take this issue:
Even in a very liberal rendering of the First Amendment, it says "Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion..."
When those words were penned, the people were already overwhelmingly Christian, so nobody needed to establish a religion. Jews financed the War of Independence, invested in the creation of the Republic, etc. but they were never citizens. It didn't stop them from participating in the free market. The point is Congress (the federal Congress) could not pass a law respecting the establishment of a religion. That Amendment could not be construed to impact what already existed; it had NO bearing on the states; it did not limit the people.
So, what happened that allowed the federal government to violate the First Amendment, as intended, and impose a mythical "separation of church and state" on the states (i.e. as in matters like education and marriage) ? That would be the 14th Amendment, of course. Oh yeah, there is a separation of church and state... just as fairies and Santa Claus, along with pro-wrestling are real. The government decides what constitutes a church, where they may assemble to worship, and what tenets of faith to follow lest they lose their non profit status. AND, if my critics on this thread had their way, THEY think they get to determine what constitutes a Christian and what doesn't! All of that exists, along with birthright citizenship due to the 14th Amendment.
We do have the authority to nullify that travesty.
