All the House GOP and the President - what an unfair advantage!!!

[JakeStarkey]

'For 15 minutes, explore the possibility that the Republican "attack machine" is not responsible for poisoning people's minds...'
------------------------------------------------------
REALLY???

On Friday, on a "Conservatives for Patients Rights" conference call with conservative activists dealing with health care reform, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said, as Ben Smith at Politico reported, "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

YouTube - Demint: "I did not want [health care] to be the Presidents Waterloo."

Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., summarized the scare tactic pretty well on the House floor last week, when she said the bill would "put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government,"

YouTube - Rep. Foxx Says Health Care Reform Will Cause Seniors To Be "Put To Death By Their Government"

Grassley: Government shouldn’t ‘decide when to pull the plug on grandma’

YouTube - Grassley Endorses Death Panel Rumor You Have Every Right To Fear



Friday, February 6, 2009

Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency.

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex

These Republcians can never work with Democrats. If they do, the "base" they cultivated with lies and fear will turn on them for working with "enemies of America and freedom and all things good and Gawdly".

The same thing happened to "Lindsey Graham".

This is why many of these "Republican" senators and representatives need to be defeated and replaced with real Republicans.

 

[Murf76]

You didn't provide detailed analysis, you provided right wing character assassination of the President of the United States...

There is nothing normal about paranoia...it's an affliction

My 'for profit rant' about the built in conflict created in the insurance model is indisputable to a thinking person. Your 'profit motive drives innovation and quality in a competitive market' just reinforces my 'rant'...in the for profit insurance business ...innovation is coming up with new ways to ration and deny coverage and the quality gained is for the CEO's and employed deniers.

Think about it man...it's a reverse competitive model...

We're not selling refrigerators, this is about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

In the 'competitive market' you talk about the consumer has the option to walk away and invest his money elsewhere. In health insurance, the consumer is investing more than just his money. He is investing his health, his savings, his house and his life...and the provider has the motive to fire the customer.

The health care bill that came out of the Senate is a direct reflection on the hooks the corporate cartels have into Washington. They spent 1.4 million dollars a day standing with the Republicans and providing them ammo. If you support Republicans, then you support the corporate cartels...there is no difference. Unfortunately enough 'blue dog' Democrats are just Republicans in disguise...

It is a shame what this country has come to...I suggest you look at what the Republican party used to stand for and where they are now...it is NOT mainstream or centrist...it is far right authoritarianism and radical...that is what Goldwater Republicans say, not just me...

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus

Oh... my bad. See, I thought you were asking for my analysis. I didn't realize you were looking for some pundit to agree with you. Being a "thinking person", I never need my opinion handed to me, so it didn't occur to me that you might ask me to provide someone else's analysis.

Here's what you can do... Put the name of your favorite leftwing zealot into your google bar. Alot of them will have their own website. When you get to it, you'll usually find a "contact us" tab. Click on it.. and then do your thing. I don't think I'd recommend people like Keith Obermann or Chris Matthews. Not that they wouldn't agree with you, but Olbermann's pretty busy being a full-time public asshole, and Matthews would have to put down his Barack Obama Blow-up Doll for long enough to respond. Look for some socialist wingers further down the pecking order. You'll have a better chance of getting an agreeable response.


Meanwhile... understand this. I don't owe you or anyone else more than the duty of my own citizenship. And THAT is to refrain from impeding upon the unalienable rights of my fellow citizen as he should refrain from impeding mine. I don't owe you food, shelter, healthcare, or the time of day. And I will resist any efforts by you and your collectivist ilk to impede my unalienable rights. Every dollar you take from me is bread out of my own child's mouth, an educational dollar I don't have to pay for his college or his care. And if you think for one measly minute that I give a rat's ass about YOUR wants and needs while my child's future is being spent... think again. Compassion starts at my own table with my own family.

Your argument that non-profit health insurance is a better standard, is not supported by fact or reason. It's nonsensical to believe that competitive insurance businesses will simply spring up out of nowhere without a profit motive. Altruism doesn't feed the bulldog. And it doesn't feed families. Smart people will simply put their efforts into more lucrative endeavors.

Government money is NOT free. It comes from the sweat and labor of real, live citizens. And without Constitutional authority, you have nothing to compel me save force at the point of a gun. And you can bet your bottom dollar, you'll have a tiger by the tail at that point.

 

[EriktheRed]

'For 15 minutes, explore the possibility that the Republican "attack machine" is not responsible for poisoning people's minds...'
------------------------------------------------------
REALLY???

On Friday, on a "Conservatives for Patients Rights" conference call with conservative activists dealing with health care reform, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., said, as Ben Smith at Politico reported, "If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."

YouTube - Demint: "I did not want [health care] to be the Presidents Waterloo."

Rep. Virginia Foxx, R-N.C., summarized the scare tactic pretty well on the House floor last week, when she said the bill would "put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government,"

YouTube - Rep. Foxx Says Health Care Reform Will Cause Seniors To Be "Put To Death By Their Government"

Grassley: Government shouldn’t ‘decide when to pull the plug on grandma’

YouTube - Grassley Endorses Death Panel Rumor You Have Every Right To Fear



Friday, February 6, 2009

Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency.

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex

You can even go back further - a lot further - to find the seeds for Republicans' fear of HC reform:

Bill Kristol’s 1993 Memo Calling For GOP To Block Health Care Reform | The Plum Line

 

[bobbcat]

.....then post something of worth.

LOL! Speak for yourself.

 

[The Rabbi]

Who votes with the Democratics on almost any and all liberal social agenda bills. So, naturally, the liberal Democratics did have 60 votes. They count the Socialist, too.

But you already knew this when you posted your intentionally deceptive blather.

Lieberman is not a Democrat. He defeated a Democrat to get re-elected. He got 70% of the Republican vote in CT to get re-elected. He endorsed John McCain for president.

How many times do you suppose I'll have to knock you on the head with that before it gets through?

I've never understood how anyone could call Lieberman a Democrat!!! During the 2008 campaign he was sitting like an extra nose on McCain's face the entire time. And I also remember that McCain's first choice for VP was Lieberman.

But the far right didn't want Lieberman and threatened to sink the ticket at the convention. I remember reading that McCain wanted Lieberman because they had so much in common on the issues of the day.

So I think Lieberman was about as much a Democrat as Rush Limbaugh is.

That guy who ran with Al Gore in 2000 for VP. What was his name again??

 

[Bfgrn]

You didn't provide detailed analysis, you provided right wing character assassination of the President of the United States...

There is nothing normal about paranoia...it's an affliction

My 'for profit rant' about the built in conflict created in the insurance model is indisputable to a thinking person. Your 'profit motive drives innovation and quality in a competitive market' just reinforces my 'rant'...in the for profit insurance business ...innovation is coming up with new ways to ration and deny coverage and the quality gained is for the CEO's and employed deniers.

Think about it man...it's a reverse competitive model...

We're not selling refrigerators, this is about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

In the 'competitive market' you talk about the consumer has the option to walk away and invest his money elsewhere. In health insurance, the consumer is investing more than just his money. He is investing his health, his savings, his house and his life...and the provider has the motive to fire the customer.

The health care bill that came out of the Senate is a direct reflection on the hooks the corporate cartels have into Washington. They spent 1.4 million dollars a day standing with the Republicans and providing them ammo. If you support Republicans, then you support the corporate cartels...there is no difference. Unfortunately enough 'blue dog' Democrats are just Republicans in disguise...

It is a shame what this country has come to...I suggest you look at what the Republican party used to stand for and where they are now...it is NOT mainstream or centrist...it is far right authoritarianism and radical...that is what Goldwater Republicans say, not just me...

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus

Oh... my bad. See, I thought you were asking for my analysis. I didn't realize you were looking for some pundit to agree with you. Being a "thinking person", I never need my opinion handed to me, so it didn't occur to me that you might ask me to provide someone else's analysis.

Here's what you can do... Put the name of your favorite leftwing zealot into your google bar. Alot of them will have their own website. When you get to it, you'll usually find a "contact us" tab. Click on it.. and then do your thing. I don't think I'd recommend people like Keith Obermann or Chris Matthews. Not that they wouldn't agree with you, but Olbermann's pretty busy being a full-time public asshole, and Matthews would have to put down his Barack Obama Blow-up Doll for long enough to respond. Look for some socialist wingers further down the pecking order. You'll have a better chance of getting an agreeable response.


Meanwhile... understand this. I don't owe you or anyone else more than the duty of my own citizenship. And THAT is to refrain from impeding upon the unalienable rights of my fellow citizen as he should refrain from impeding mine. I don't owe you food, shelter, healthcare, or the time of day. And I will resist any efforts by you and your collectivist ilk to impede my unalienable rights. Every dollar you take from me is bread out of my own child's mouth, an educational dollar I don't have to pay for his college or his care. And if you think for one measly minute that I give a rat's ass about YOUR wants and needs while my child's future is being spent... think again. Compassion starts at my own table with my own family.

Your argument that non-profit health insurance is a better standard, is not supported by fact or reason. It's nonsensical to believe that competitive insurance businesses will simply spring up out of nowhere without a profit motive. Altruism doesn't feed the bulldog. And it doesn't feed families. Smart people will simply put their efforts into more lucrative endeavors.

Government money is NOT free. It comes from the sweat and labor of real, live citizens. And without Constitutional authority, you have nothing to compel me save force at the point of a gun. And you can bet your bottom dollar, you'll have a tiger by the tail at that point.

Well, we're back to where we started... thank you for proving me right...but I wasn't aware you got to where you are ALL BY YOURSELF...WOW, talk about narcissism

'Well in this debate I must admit you have a clear advantage...I call it the utopian right wing solution...there is never any cost in human capital in right wing solutions...everyone would agree with you scum bags if men women and children and the aged would evaporate.'

Here's what you can do... Put the name of your favorite leftwing zealot into your google bar. Alot of them will have their own website.

OK, let's start with this leftwing zealot ...

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

And this one...

"In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

How about this party...

Republican Party Platform of 1956
August 20, 1956

Labor

Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding.

We applaud the effective, unhindered, collective bargaining which brought an early end to the 1956 steel strike, in contrast to the six months' upheaval, Presidential seizure of the steel industry and ultimate Supreme Court intervention under the last Democrat Administration.

The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:

Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

Clarify and strengthen the eight-hour laws for the benefit of workers who are subject to federal wage standards on Federal and Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public. The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration. In 1954, 1955 and again in 1956, President Eisenhower recommended constructive amendments to this Act. The Democrats in Congress have consistently blocked these needed changes by parliamentary maneuvers. The Republican Party pledges itself to overhaul and improve the Taft-Hartley Act along the lines of these recommendations.


Health, Education and Welfare

The Republican Party believes that the physical, mental, and spiritual well-being of the people is as important as their economic health. It will continue to support this conviction with vigorous action.

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.

Through the White House Conference on Education, our Republican Administration initiated the most comprehensive Community-State-Federal attempt ever made to solve the pressing problems of primary and secondary education.

Four thousand communities, studying their school populations and their physical and financial resources, encouraged our Republican Administration to urge a five-year program of Federal assistance in building schools to relieve a critical classroom shortage.

The Republican Party will renew its efforts to enact a program based on sound principles of need and designed to encourage increased state and local efforts to build more classrooms.

Our Administration also proposed for the first time in history, a thorough nation-wide analysis of rapidly growing problems in education beyond the high schools.

The Republican Party is determined to press all such actions that will help insure that every child has the educational opportunity to advance to his own greatest capacity.

We have fully resolved to continue our steady gains in man's unending struggle against disease and disability.

We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases.

We demand once again, despite the reluctance of the Democrat 84th Congress, Federal assistance to help build facilities to train more physicians and scientists.

We have encouraged a notable expansion and improvement of voluntary health insurance, and urge that reinsurance and pooling arrangements be authorized to speed this progress.

We have strengthened the Food and Drug Administration, and we have increased the vocational rehabilitation program to enable a larger number of the disabled to return to satisfying activity.

We have supported measures that have made more housing available than ever before in history, reduced urban slums in local-federal partnership, stimulated record home ownership, and authorized additional low-rent public housing.

We initiated the first flood insurance program in history under Government sponsorship in cooperation with private enterprise.

We shall continue to seek extension and perfection of a sound social security system.

We pledge close cooperation with State, local and private agencies to reduce the ghastly toll of fatalities on the Nation's highways

 

[Murf76]

OK, let's start with this leftwing zealot ...

"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

And this one...

"In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people's money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower

Hey, we can do quotations all day long. I doubt I'm going to be willing to chuck my values on the pile though. A man who'll stick his own child's head into the yoke of government debt... is no man. That's a quote from ME.

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned -- this is the sum of good government."
--Thomas Jefferson

"The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse. "
--James Madison

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. "
--George Washington

""I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."
--Benjamin Franklin

"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office."
--Aesop



I'm not going to bother with your info on Republican positions. I only agree with them about half the time anyway, and since you've been kind to point out that my own analysis has no discussion value... I'm not going to waste my time reading it.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We cannot compromise with Marxist Ideologues.

 

[Liability]

Who votes with the Democratics on almost any and all liberal social agenda bills. So, naturally, the liberal Democratics did have 60 votes. They count the Socialist, too.

But you already knew this when you posted your intentionally deceptive blather.

Lieberman is not a Democrat. He defeated a Democrat to get re-elected. He got 70% of the Republican vote in CT to get re-elected. He endorsed John McCain for president.

How many times do you suppose I'll have to knock you on the head with that before it gets through?

I've never understood how anyone could call Lieberman a Democrat!!! During the 2008 campaign he was sitting like an extra nose on McCain's face the entire time. And I also remember that McCain's first choice for VP was Lieberman.

But the far right didn't want Lieberman and threatened to sink the ticket at the convention. I remember reading that McCain wanted Lieberman because they had so much in common on the issues of the day.

So I think Lieberman was about as much a Democrat as Rush Limbaugh is.

On one fucking issue, the war, Lieberman was something other than a very left wing Democratic. ONE issue and one issue alone.

If you liberoidal Democratics were not so totally intolerant of dissent, you'd love that guy.

He's STILL just a liberal Democrat but-for that one issue.

 

[Zona]

Republicans, you got schooled. Now lick your wounds and deal with it. lol..oh and neeener neeener...

 

[Liability]

Republicans, you got schooled. Now lick your wounds and deal with it. lol..oh and neeener neeener...

^ Another utterly absurd fantasy presented by AutoZona.

The President "schooled" nobody, and we all know it.

 

[The Rabbi]

It is a fantasy that Obama is this eloquent, smart man who can walk into a room and wow them all.
The fantasy is held chiefly by Obama and a dwindling number of noobs. SOme of us woke up a long time ago. Some of us were never asleep.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I hope the Dems learn from the MA fiasco and move further Leftward

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rab, you were nothing back then, you are nothing now, and you are still asleep.

 

[The Rabbi]

I hope the Dems learn from the MA fiasco and move further Leftward

They seem well on the way.
"I don't quit." Sure sounds like he got the message. The wrong message. So now Big O will double down on his failures and reinforce his weaknesses. This is why the Dems are running scared and away from him. Watch them decline any "help" in campainging from Obama, already proven the kiss of death in 3 elections.

 

[Liability]

I hope the Dems learn from the MA fiasco and move further Leftward

Yeah. They'll show US alright!

 

[The Rabbi]

Rab, you were nothing back then, you are nothing now, and you are still asleep.

Thus spake "Jake, King of the Unsubstantiated Statement."

Really, Jake. You've been unmasked as a liar and a retard. You are a worse joke on this board than Chris, and Id idnt think it was possible.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I hope the Dems learn from the MA fiasco and move further Leftward

They seem well on the way.
"I don't quit." Sure sounds like he got the message. The wrong message. So now Big O will double down on his failures and reinforce his weaknesses. This is why the Dems are running scared and away from him. Watch them decline any "help" in campainging from Obama, already proven the kiss of death in 3 elections.

I don't quit giving good people rep

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I hope the Dems learn from the MA fiasco and move further Leftward

They seem well on the way.
"I don't quit." Sure sounds like he got the message. The wrong message. So now Big O will double down on his failures and reinforce his weaknesses. This is why the Dems are running scared and away from him. Watch them decline any "help" in campainging from Obama, already proven the kiss of death in 3 elections.

And yet GOP Jake would love a kiss from Obama

 

[The Rabbi]

I hope the Dems learn from the MA fiasco and move further Leftward

They seem well on the way.
"I don't quit." Sure sounds like he got the message. The wrong message. So now Big O will double down on his failures and reinforce his weaknesses. This is why the Dems are running scared and away from him. Watch them decline any "help" in campainging from Obama, already proven the kiss of death in 3 elections.

And yet GOP Jake would love a kiss from Obama

Thats because he's been outed as a plant from NAMBLA.