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Then why did it take an act of government to permit voting for blacks and women?You would have that backward then. If the government has to give it to you -- voting -- then it is a privilege.i still go with no....all rights should not be restored... are guns a right or a fucking privilege ...i think voting is a right and owning a gun is a privilege
The government does not grant me the right to own a gun.
I agree that the right to own a gun is based on the right of defense is superior to any privilege government can give.
But I disagree that voting is a privilege created by government.
You create government by voting, so then voting has to precede government, and not be a privilege created by government.
And not letting a felon vote while still making him pay taxes is taxation without representation, and is illegal.
Every one has the inherent right to vote and be represented.
But voting is ok?If they were nonviolent felons, they should be allowed to own gunsShould they be able to own guns?
I ask because them being able to vote is all the rage now.
Shouldn't we be consistent in policy? Meaning all rights restored?
I never saw anyone try to rob a liquor store by threatening to vote
Perhaps, but here's the problem: When you allow felons to vote, it creates a new voting base. And what do politicians do to get votes? They pander to those bases.
Since most criminals are Democrats, the Democrat party will have platforms like reduction of prison sentences, making things legal that are currently illegal, making felonies misdemeanors, just pandering to the criminal element.
Criminals or ex-criminals having a power structure in our country via voting makes it more dangerous for all of us, and our children.
The punishment was levied against them BEFORE they went to prison. It was their choice to do whatever they did. They can live with the consequences of that choice or apply for expungement.So some should be punished for their rest of their life? Even after their sentence is served?Treating all convicts equally would be a bad move for public safety.
Convicts can apply to have their records expunged and presumably all their rights returned.
So, yes. Thanks.The punishment was levied against them BEFORE they went to prison. It was their choice to do whatever they did. They can live with the consequences of that choice or apply for expungement.So some should be punished for their rest of their life? Even after their sentence is served?Treating all convicts equally would be a bad move for public safety.
Convicts can apply to have their records expunged and presumably all their rights returned.
This isn't difficult to grasp
Yes.Should they be able to own guns?
I ask because them being able to vote is all the rage now.
Shouldn't we be consistent in policy? Meaning all rights restored?
Auto correct sometimes picks it's own words. Some people also have a life and dont pay too much attention to grammar on an anonymous message board.He is a dick. Dont pay any attention to him. Typos happen.Sorry about that. I was on my phone, which is set to Dutch and sometimes the autocorrect plays tricks on me.In fact by agreeing that the lenght of prison sentences should vary according to the crime a person implicitly agrees with the assertion that the rights of a citizen can be taken away and restored on a case by case bases.
The word is "basis",
You apparently don't know the difference in typos and word choice.
But voting is ok?If they were nonviolent felons, they should be allowed to own gunsShould they be able to own guns?
I ask because them being able to vote is all the rage now.
Shouldn't we be consistent in policy? Meaning all rights restored?
I never saw anyone try to rob a liquor store by threatening to vote
Perhaps, but here's the problem: When you allow felons to vote, it creates a new voting base. And what do politicians do to get votes? They pander to those bases.
Since most criminals are Democrats, the Democrat party will have platforms like reduction of prison sentences, making things legal that are currently illegal, making felonies misdemeanors, just pandering to the criminal element.
Criminals or ex-criminals having a power structure in our country via voting makes it more dangerous for all of us, and our children.
Ridiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
I don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsBut voting is ok?If they were nonviolent felons, they should be allowed to own guns
I never saw anyone try to rob a liquor store by threatening to vote
Perhaps, but here's the problem: When you allow felons to vote, it creates a new voting base. And what do politicians do to get votes? They pander to those bases.
Since most criminals are Democrats, the Democrat party will have platforms like reduction of prison sentences, making things legal that are currently illegal, making felonies misdemeanors, just pandering to the criminal element.
Criminals or ex-criminals having a power structure in our country via voting makes it more dangerous for all of us, and our children.
Ridiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
Why do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
Incarceration is big business here, because a capitalist society has only capitalist solutions. Individual rights become a quaint detriment to those profiting from it.
For ex., get yourself employed in construction ,and witness God's special children revel in their moral turpitude ...
~S~
I don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsBut voting is ok?
I never saw anyone try to rob a liquor store by threatening to vote
Perhaps, but here's the problem: When you allow felons to vote, it creates a new voting base. And what do politicians do to get votes? They pander to those bases.
Since most criminals are Democrats, the Democrat party will have platforms like reduction of prison sentences, making things legal that are currently illegal, making felonies misdemeanors, just pandering to the criminal element.
Criminals or ex-criminals having a power structure in our country via voting makes it more dangerous for all of us, and our children.
Ridiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
Why do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
What would happen if ex felons could vote? They would question why 2.5 million Americans are in prison, question the expansion of for profit prisons, question living conditions
They would not work to make rape and robbery legal
BBC NEWS | In DepthI don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsI never saw anyone try to rob a liquor store by threatening to vote
Perhaps, but here's the problem: When you allow felons to vote, it creates a new voting base. And what do politicians do to get votes? They pander to those bases.
Since most criminals are Democrats, the Democrat party will have platforms like reduction of prison sentences, making things legal that are currently illegal, making felonies misdemeanors, just pandering to the criminal element.
Criminals or ex-criminals having a power structure in our country via voting makes it more dangerous for all of us, and our children.
Ridiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
Why do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
What would happen if ex felons could vote? They would question why 2.5 million Americans are in prison, question the expansion of for profit prisons, question living conditions
They would not work to make rape and robbery legal
They may work to make the prison sentences less severe.
Of course you don't see Democrats wanting to remove the prohibition of firearms for felons, because they don't vote yet. But if we had a federal law that allowed them to vote, that might change.
According to research, by the end of this year, we will have 23 million ex-cons in our society outside of prison. That's a hell of a voting block that Democrats could take advantage of. And also in the estimate, there are over 600,000 more released every year.
https://nypost.com/2016/04/04/statistical-proof-that-america-doesnt-care-about-ex-cons/
One of the reasons our crime is so bad in this country is because our prisons are not enough of a deterrent. By lessening the deterrent we have, or removing it altogether, that makes it more dangerous for the rest of us.
I second that.Should they be able to own guns?
I ask because them being able to vote is all the rage now.
Shouldn't we be consistent in policy? Meaning all rights restored?
Yes.
Once they have served their debt to society they should be given full rights back.
If they cannot be trusted with those rights, then they should not be let out of prison.
BBC NEWS | In DepthI don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsPerhaps, but here's the problem: When you allow felons to vote, it creates a new voting base. And what do politicians do to get votes? They pander to those bases.
Since most criminals are Democrats, the Democrat party will have platforms like reduction of prison sentences, making things legal that are currently illegal, making felonies misdemeanors, just pandering to the criminal element.
Criminals or ex-criminals having a power structure in our country via voting makes it more dangerous for all of us, and our children.
Ridiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
Why do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
What would happen if ex felons could vote? They would question why 2.5 million Americans are in prison, question the expansion of for profit prisons, question living conditions
They would not work to make rape and robbery legal
They may work to make the prison sentences less severe.
Of course you don't see Democrats wanting to remove the prohibition of firearms for felons, because they don't vote yet. But if we had a federal law that allowed them to vote, that might change.
According to research, by the end of this year, we will have 23 million ex-cons in our society outside of prison. That's a hell of a voting block that Democrats could take advantage of. And also in the estimate, there are over 600,000 more released every year.
https://nypost.com/2016/04/04/statistical-proof-that-america-doesnt-care-about-ex-cons/
One of the reasons our crime is so bad in this country is because our prisons are not enough of a deterrent. By lessening the deterrent we have, or removing it altogether, that makes it more dangerous for the rest of us.
Seems to me the US is pretty big on deterring. How is it worked out for you so far?
Anyone subject to the law should be able to vote, even while incarcerated. We should some day actually get to "one hominid one vote", and only humans rather than oligarchs and corporations should decide the outcome of what we refer to as free elections.Should they be able to own guns?
I ask because them being able to vote is all the rage now.
Shouldn't we be consistent in policy? Meaning all rights restored?
BBC NEWS | In DepthI don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsRidiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
Why do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
What would happen if ex felons could vote? They would question why 2.5 million Americans are in prison, question the expansion of for profit prisons, question living conditions
They would not work to make rape and robbery legal
They may work to make the prison sentences less severe.
Of course you don't see Democrats wanting to remove the prohibition of firearms for felons, because they don't vote yet. But if we had a federal law that allowed them to vote, that might change.
According to research, by the end of this year, we will have 23 million ex-cons in our society outside of prison. That's a hell of a voting block that Democrats could take advantage of. And also in the estimate, there are over 600,000 more released every year.
https://nypost.com/2016/04/04/statistical-proof-that-america-doesnt-care-about-ex-cons/
One of the reasons our crime is so bad in this country is because our prisons are not enough of a deterrent. By lessening the deterrent we have, or removing it altogether, that makes it more dangerous for the rest of us.
Seems to me the US is pretty big on deterring. How is it worked out for you so far?
I don't understand your post. We have the highest percentage of our population locked up behind bars. And as pointed out earlier, a large recidivism rate for ex-cons. It's like they have no fear of going back. I know a few ex-cons, and while they don't want to go back, it wouldn't be the end of the world if they did, therefore, not much of a deterrent.
Your alternative would be what?BBC NEWS | In DepthI don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsRidiculous theory
There will be no “felon voting base”
Any softening of violent criminal laws would create more negative votes than positive votes from felons wanting to make rape and robbery legal
Why do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
What would happen if ex felons could vote? They would question why 2.5 million Americans are in prison, question the expansion of for profit prisons, question living conditions
They would not work to make rape and robbery legal
They may work to make the prison sentences less severe.
Of course you don't see Democrats wanting to remove the prohibition of firearms for felons, because they don't vote yet. But if we had a federal law that allowed them to vote, that might change.
According to research, by the end of this year, we will have 23 million ex-cons in our society outside of prison. That's a hell of a voting block that Democrats could take advantage of. And also in the estimate, there are over 600,000 more released every year.
https://nypost.com/2016/04/04/statistical-proof-that-america-doesnt-care-about-ex-cons/
One of the reasons our crime is so bad in this country is because our prisons are not enough of a deterrent. By lessening the deterrent we have, or removing it altogether, that makes it more dangerous for the rest of us.
Seems to me the US is pretty big on deterring. How is it worked out for you so far?
I don't understand your post. We have the highest percentage of our population locked up behind bars. And as pointed out earlier, a large recidivism rate for ex-cons. It's like they have no fear of going back. I know a few ex-cons, and while they don't want to go back, it wouldn't be the end of the world if they did, therefore, not much of a deterrent.
Incarceration is big business here, because a capitalist society has only capitalist solutions. Individual rights become a quaint detriment to those profiting from it.
For ex., get yourself employed in construction ,and witness God's special children revel in their moral turpitude ...
~S~
I'm a construction worker, and I have no idea what point it is, if any, that you think you are making.
Your alternative would be what?BBC NEWS | In DepthI don’t see Democrat’s advocating arming ex felonsWhy do you think Trump let all those people out of prison early? That's right, he was trying to buy black votes.
Of course it would be a new voting base. You're a felon. You can't own a firearm. Places won't hire you for a job. But the Democrats come along, and promise if in power, they will make it legal for you to own a gun regardless of what you served time for. You mean to tell me you wouldn't vote for them? Or if they promise to create law that stops employers from discriminating against you because of your criminal record, you would vote Republican instead?
If you let felons vote, the Democrat party (and maybe even the Republicans) will start pandering to them. How would you like to be working at a shop where the guy next to you was in prison for murder, and he has a temper?
It's a terrible idea.
What would happen if ex felons could vote? They would question why 2.5 million Americans are in prison, question the expansion of for profit prisons, question living conditions
They would not work to make rape and robbery legal
They may work to make the prison sentences less severe.
Of course you don't see Democrats wanting to remove the prohibition of firearms for felons, because they don't vote yet. But if we had a federal law that allowed them to vote, that might change.
According to research, by the end of this year, we will have 23 million ex-cons in our society outside of prison. That's a hell of a voting block that Democrats could take advantage of. And also in the estimate, there are over 600,000 more released every year.
https://nypost.com/2016/04/04/statistical-proof-that-america-doesnt-care-about-ex-cons/
One of the reasons our crime is so bad in this country is because our prisons are not enough of a deterrent. By lessening the deterrent we have, or removing it altogether, that makes it more dangerous for the rest of us.
Seems to me the US is pretty big on deterring. How is it worked out for you so far?
I don't understand your post. We have the highest percentage of our population locked up behind bars. And as pointed out earlier, a large recidivism rate for ex-cons. It's like they have no fear of going back. I know a few ex-cons, and while they don't want to go back, it wouldn't be the end of the world if they did, therefore, not much of a deterrent.
My point is that other countries, all of which have lower incarceration rates seem to have lower recidivism rates. Something that doesn't really jive with the statement that 'creating a bigger deterrent' is a solution. In fact, Norway which has one of the most humane prison system in the world has a recidivism rate of 20 percent.
