ACORN Baltimore -- flat-out corruption on display.

Hidden camera session, where ACORN workers show what they think is a hooker and a pimp how to break several federal laws, including support for importing underage girls from El Salvador to work in this country as prostitutes. Watch and learn:

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Getting them financing for a brothel. Hiding the illegal, "imported" girls as dependents. Couching prostitution as "performance art."

Is ACORN corrupt, a criminal organization from the top down?

And: did you know that 2 billion taxpayer dollars from the no stimulus stimulus bill is going to these guys??????? YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK.:lol::lol:
 
ROFL, or maybe we're posting to keep you interested in this, so that you waste your attentions on it, rather than actual important issues.

:muahaha::muahaha::muahaha:
Yeah right.

It's important to you. You're just projecting now.

LOL. In all seriousness man, I'm really not interested in this. I've been playing devil's advocate this whole time.

I personally dont see this goinig anywhere, especially since there is a Democratic Congress, so you people won't be able to pull a "Whitewater" BS fishing trip on this one.

But hey, if you want to devote your time and energy to this, instead of fighting important legislation that I probably support, PLEASE, by all means, continue.
There's no point in fighting cap and tax, and the health scare bill. They are going to pass those even if it's proven that 100% of the voters are against them anyway.

THIS is about systemic criminal activity in an organization that receives federal funds.

If it's not your cup of tea, that's no pox.
 
MM Let's Fight Totalitarian Legislation, and Felonious Behavior within ACORN. Let's do both at the same time. Let's multi task.

How about we start with a History Lesson.



An ACORN Falls from the Tree
by
Ken Blackwell

Oct 1, 2008


As negotiations over Congress's emergency rescue bill continued over the weekend, repeated rumors leaked out that the Democrats were trying to funnel money to a hyper-partisan organization involved in criminal voter fraud. I'm speaking of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - known by its acronym, ACORN. Although ACORN was cut from the final legislation, it's important to understand this organization and its long history with, of all people, Barack Obama. And it's important to see how partisan this emergency legislation has become.

As the weekend progressed, reports were constantly emerging of the sticking points preventing a final agreement. One of these reputed points of contention was whether 20 percent of the profit proceedings for asset sales in the future would go to what is called the Housing Trust Fund, subsidizing certain groups for ostensibly nonpartisan activity. One of these groups that this trust supports is ACORN.

ACORN has often been in the news since 2004. Officially, they work to register voters and support housing. In reality, everyone in public life knows that they are hardcore supporters for the Democratic Party, and employ bare-knuckle tactics. Their organization is plagued by repeated investigations of voter fraud and other crimes.

In Ohio, where as secretary of state I oversaw elections for eight years, ACORN has been busy. One ACORN man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of voter fraud, and another was indicted in Columbus. Other such problems surfaced in Cuyahoga County, where criminal investigations are ongoing.

It's not just Ohio. ACORN personnel are facing criminal charges in over a dozen states. In Washington State, for example, seven ACORN leaders had felony charges filed against them for voter fraud.

And there's an unexpected twist. One of the organizations accused of pushing banks into making many of the unwise loans at the heart of the current crisis is ... ACORN. Now that's ironic. An organization that possibly contributed to our current financial profits is now being considered to make money off of it. And by "money," I'm referring to your tax money.

Twice already this year Congress has funneled money to ACORN. Some report that February's economic stimulus included funds for ACORN, as did the bill to help people struggling with mortgages passed this April.

What deserves closer scrutiny is Barack Obama's history with ACORN. Obama cites Saul Alinsky, a self- acknowledged radical who advocated extreme acts to achieve social goals, as one of his inspirations.

ACORN follows the Saul Alinsky model. After Obama graduated from Harvard, he went to work for ACORN in Chicago. Mr. Obama then became a trainer for ACORN, teaching others how to employ ACORN tactics in voter registration drives.

This ACORN involvement coincides with the increasing partisanship of this situation.

Congressional Democrats, and specifically Mr. Obama, are now saying that the problem underlying all this is "deregulation," pushed by the Republicans. There are two fundamental flaws with this allegation.

First, this is not deregulation. This is not the private sector. Fannie and Freddie are government creations, that pay their executives millions of dollars but are shielded with your tax money from suffering the downside risk of the market. Engage in racetrack-style financing, they must be strictly controlled. Deregulation is about keeping government from hobbling the private sector and hamstringing its ingenuity and productivity. Deregulation does not apply.

Second, Republicans have tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie. Republican attempts to reform them in 1999 failed. In 2003, when Alan Greenspan testified about how Fannie and Freddie's loose practices could endanger our financial system, it was Democrat Barney Frank who said these institutions were fundamentally sound, and should be more aggressive in getting loans to low-income people. In 2005, a Republican reform passed the Senate Banking Committee on a party-line vote, only to be blocked by Democrats from passing the full Senate. And in 2006 when John McCain spoke on the Senate floor of the need to reform Fannie and Freddie immediately, Democrats (including Barack Obama) would not respond.

You can also see where Fannie and Freddie look for protection by where they direct their money. Public records show that the top two recipients of Fannie/Freddie campaign contributions are Sens. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, taking $165,000 and $126,000, respectively. Dodd, who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, and Mr. Obama, who says he's going to remedy the whole situation.

It suddenly seems so clear why Democrats want ACORN to get some of the taxpayers' money. I have unapologetically criticized Republicans, some by name, for out-of-control spending, lack of accountability, and other inexcusable actions that have tarnished the GOP and disserved the nation. And there are other issues that are either both parties' fault, or no one's fault.

But here, the Democrats are squarely to blame. They have resisted all attempts at reforming Fannie and Freddie, and pushed those organizations to become ever more reckless in their policies. This made the investments on Wall Street carrying those tainted mortgages go from bad to worse, and now we're in a crisis and on the verge of a meltdown.

This is inexcusable. And if independent voters figure this out, their outrage over this situation will suddenly be directed against the party that pushed these disastrous policies. So Democrats want ACORN to get as much funding as possible, because they might need some new votes in their column on Election Day.

Voter fraud is in one sense the worst crime against democracy. The sole means of democratically choosing leaders is through voting. Every voter gets an equal vote. Every citizen who is a law-abiding adult has an equal voice in who will govern us. Our vote is sacred. Those engaging in voter fraud are in one sense no different than who intimidated voters at the polls in years past. Voter fraud may not be attended by the suffering that accompanied the beatings and water hoses of those days, but the assault on democracy is no less real.

ACORN is a discredited organization, and far too many of its leaders and workers have been prosecuted for felonies against democracy. The idea that a single dime of taxpayer money would ever go to such a group is an outrage.

And Mr. Obama needs to explain his involvement with them.

An ACORN Falls from the Tree


Now What Law Making are we most interested in? Health Scare? How about we look into the damage of unfunded mandates?
 
Planting Seeds of Disaster by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

This sweeping debasement of credit standards was touted by Fannie Mae&#8217;s chairman, chief executive officer, and now prominent Obama adviser James A. Johnson. This is also the period when Fannie Mae ramped up its pilot programs and local partnerships with ACORN, all of which became precedents and models for the pattern of risky subprime mortgages at the root of today&#8217;s crisis. During these years, Obama&#8217;s Chicago ACORN ally, Madeline Talbott, was at the forefront of participation in those pilot programs, and her activities were consistently supported by Obama through both foundation funding and personal leadership training for her top organizers.
 
Acorn uses banking regulations to pressure financial institutions into massive &#8220;donations&#8221; that it uses to finance supposedly non-partisan voter turn-out drives.

According to Stern, Acorn&#8217;s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward &#8220;undisguised authoritarian socialism.&#8221; Fully aware of its living-wage campaign&#8217;s tendency to drive businesses out of cities, Acorn hopes to force companies that want to move to obtain &#8220;exit visas.&#8221; &#8220;How much longer before Acorn calls for exit visas for wealthy or middle-class individuals before they can leave a city?&#8221; asks Stern, adding, &#8220;This is the road to serfdom indeed.&#8221;

IN YOUR FACE
Acorn&#8217;s tactics are famously &#8220;in your face.&#8221; Just think of Code Pink&#8217;s well-known operations (threatening to occupy congressional offices, interrupting the testimony of General David Petraeus) and you&#8217;ll get the idea. Acorn protesters have disrupted Federal Reserve hearings, but mostly deploy their aggressive tactics locally. Chicago is home to one of its strongest chapters, and Acorn has burst into a closed city council meeting there. Acorn protestors in Baltimore disrupted a bankers&#8217; dinner and sent four busloads of profanity-screaming protestors against the mayor&#8217;s home, terrifying his wife and kids. Even a Baltimore city council member who generally supports Acorn said their intimidation tactics had crossed the line.
Inside Obama’s Acorn by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online
 
Acorn uses banking regulations to pressure financial institutions into massive “donations” that it uses to finance supposedly non-partisan voter turn-out drives.

According to Stern, Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Fully aware of its living-wage campaign’s tendency to drive businesses out of cities, Acorn hopes to force companies that want to move to obtain “exit visas.” “How much longer before Acorn calls for exit visas for wealthy or middle-class individuals before they can leave a city?” asks Stern, adding, “This is the road to serfdom indeed.”

IN YOUR FACE
Acorn’s tactics are famously “in your face.” Just think of Code Pink’s well-known operations (threatening to occupy congressional offices, interrupting the testimony of General David Petraeus) and you’ll get the idea. Acorn protesters have disrupted Federal Reserve hearings, but mostly deploy their aggressive tactics locally. Chicago is home to one of its strongest chapters, and Acorn has burst into a closed city council meeting there. Acorn protestors in Baltimore disrupted a bankers’ dinner and sent four busloads of profanity-screaming protestors against the mayor’s home, terrifying his wife and kids. Even a Baltimore city council member who generally supports Acorn said their intimidation tactics had crossed the line.
Inside Obama’s Acorn by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

From Your Link. Something We should work to change.

What if Barack Obama’s most important radical connection has been hiding in plain sight all along? Obama has had an intimate and long-term association with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn), the largest radical group in America. If I told you Obama had close ties with MoveOn.org or Code Pink, you’d know what I was talking about. Acorn is at least as radical as these better-known groups, arguably more so. Yet because Acorn works locally, in carefully selected urban areas, its national profile is lower. Acorn likes it that way. And so, I’d wager, does Barack Obama.

Inside Obama’s Acorn by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online
 
LOL. In all seriousness man, I'm really not interested in this. I've been playing devil's advocate this whole time.

I personally dont see this goinig anywhere, especially since there is a Democratic Congress, so you people won't be able to pull a "Whitewater" BS fishing trip on this one.

But hey, if you want to devote your time and energy to this, instead of fighting important legislation that I probably support, PLEASE, by all means, continue.

That was pretty much my point earlier when I said I hope wingnuts keep focusing on this like a lot of libs focussed on the Diebold thing after '04.

:D
 
I want to know if these people who support Obama and his agenda if they will come out of the closet now? I mean really they've been for to long hiding behind the label Democrat they are not Democrat they are Marxist/Socialist and they all actually are the same as COMMUNIST.

When will they actually say "I'm a Communist" instead I hear I'm a liberal, I'm a democrat but never do they say I'm a communist.

They are so proud, they so think that their ideology is superior so why do they hide the label in which their ideology falls in step with?

It's a very simple answer. These people can never be honest about who they really are, their ideals, etc...for they know if they did? They'd be roundly, soundly rejected by the people of this nation in droves.

Deciet is the # 1 rule of ANY of these types of people.
 
I've no idea why you think it has failed.

I'll put the wingnuts out of their misery.

ACORN is awarded Federal Grants (which they must compete for with other non-profit groups) which must be spent in total on the end recipient. ACORN itself doesn't keep the money or use it to pay salaries. So in no way is ACORN funded by the federal government.

For instance, they might receive a grant to get lead out of homes of those to poor to do this themselves. And that is what the money is spent on.

I'm guessing this doesn't register with them because it doesn't involve any alleged voter fraud.
 
Now What Law Making are we most interested in? Health Scare? How about we look into the damage of unfunded mandates?

OK, I'd like to say just one thing here...

KEN BLACKWELL is making comments on people being involved in election fraud?

REALLY?

Well, I guess it takes one to know one, but damn that's hypocrisy. LOL.
 
Now What Law Making are we most interested in? Health Scare? How about we look into the damage of unfunded mandates?

OK, I'd like to say just one thing here...

KEN BLACKWELL is making comments on people being involved in election fraud?

REALLY?

Well, I guess it takes one to know one, but damn that's hypocrisy. LOL.

Like Election Fraud couldn't be fixed if both sides were honest. Our Election Process is an embarrassment.
 
Just breaking.... The two Washington DC employees of ACORN who also tried to finance a brothel? Fired. The Census bureau? Said ACORN will NOT help in any way now with the census.

I've no idea why folks continue to try to talk about vote fraud, voter registration fraud, and the like in this thread. This thread is about ACORN Housing Assistance and their apparent systemic illegal activities.
 
Just breaking.... The two Washington DC employees of ACORN who also tried to finance a brothel? Fired. The Census bureau? Said ACORN will NOT help in any way now with the census.

I've no idea why folks continue to try to talk about vote fraud, voter registration fraud, and the like in this thread. This thread is about ACORN Housing Assistance and their apparent systemic illegal activities.

As much as you want to try and link ACORN to Obama now, now what shall ever you do?

On another note, this must be a huge bummer for Republicans, one of their major bitching points is now gone.
 
Just breaking.... The two Washington DC employees of ACORN who also tried to finance a brothel? Fired. The Census bureau? Said ACORN will NOT help in any way now with the census.

I've no idea why folks continue to try to talk about vote fraud, voter registration fraud, and the like in this thread. This thread is about ACORN Housing Assistance and their apparent systemic illegal activities.

As much as you want to try and link ACORN to Obama now, now what shall ever you do?

On another note, this must be a huge bummer for Republicans, one of their major bitching points is now gone.
Obama is linked to ACORN. There's no doubt about that. He's sued on its behalf, trained some of its people, and gave them $800K during the campaign, for canvassing. An investigation of this can of corn might turn up alot more involvement.

Interesting you're not the least bit dismayed about these illegal activities by ACORN however.
 
As much as you want to try and link ACORN to Obama now, now what shall ever you do?

On another note, this must be a huge bummer for Republicans, one of their major bitching points is now gone.
Obama is linked to ACORN. There's no doubt about that. He's sued on its behalf, trained some of its people, and gave them $800K during the campaign, for canvassing. An investigation of this can of corn might turn up alot more involvement.

Interesting you're not the least bit dismayed about these illegal activities by ACORN however.

Say these allegations were true, should I be surprised? Holy shit! A person running for office lying and maybe stealing votes?! The sky is falling! Do recall, I'm not a Obamabot so finding out that this was truth wouldn't shatter my world. Obama has already proven himself to me to be just another politician that wants the status quo. He can prove me wrong by changing now and in the future.

Edit: Almost every politician who has run for office since the dawn of time has likely tried to lie or steal votes. They have also at least likely tried to mislead voters to get votes.
 
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[ Say these allegations were true, should I be surprised? Holy shit! A person running for office lying and stealing votes?! .
Do you understand this most recent deal isn't about Obama, or alleged false registrations, or alleged vote stealing?

Do you know what it's about?
 
Let's review. Here's three of the four videos released thus far:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYU9PamIZk"]ACORN Baltimore Prostitution Investigation Part II[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRTYD26Kxc"]ACORN DC Prostitution Investigation Part I[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MCk6GvQO4"]ACORN DC Prostitution Investigation Part II[/ame]

They show four ACORN Housing Assistance employees attempting to help what they believe is a hooker and a pimp, get a loan for a house to use as a brothel. They never blink an eye as the kids tell them there are 13 teen girls, under 16 years-old, coming into the country illegally from El Salvador to work as hookers.

Both advisers give them almost the exact same procedure for laundering their money through the tax system, and using the illegal girls as dependents to get the child tax credits on them!

All four ACORN workers also share many criminal tips and tricks about how to do all this without getting caught -- AND how the pimp can scrub all this and shield himself from it all while using the ill-gotten funds to run for political office!

ALL FOUR ACORN workers were subsequently fired, which completely removes all question of if this is REAL or not.

The Census Bureau just announced ACORN will not be participating in any way in the 2010 census.

This deal is still developing, we don't know if there are still more videos or developments to come.
 

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