ACLU sues Jackson MS because blacks arrested at 5 times rate of whites

[ShootSpeeders]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...county-sheriff-of-racial-profiling/101429008/

may 8 2017 A class-action lawsuit filed Monday accuses the Madison County Sheriff’s Department of targeting black residents with unconstitutional and sometimes violent searches and seizures, arresting them at nearly five times the rate of white residents.

“Simple daily activities — such as commuting to work, grocery shopping, visiting friends and family, attending church, or even sitting on the steps outside one’s own home — present the very real possibility of unlawful and humiliating searches and seizures, as well as the … prospect of arrest and jail time for unpaid fines and fees,” the lawsuit claims.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York City-based law firm of Simpson Thacher & Bartlett filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jackson against Sheriff Randy Tucker and his deputies.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Actually blacks collect welfare at more like 40 times the rate of whites. Another legacy of white-hater Obozo who told the govt to count hispanics as white when compiling the welfare data.

 

[Aries]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

Blacks arrested 5 times more than whites in Madison County, lawsuit says

may 8 2017 A class-action lawsuit filed Monday accuses the Madison County Sheriff’s Department of targeting black residents with unconstitutional and sometimes violent searches and seizures, arresting them at nearly five times the rate of white residents.

“Simple daily activities — such as commuting to work, grocery shopping, visiting friends and family, attending church, or even sitting on the steps outside one’s own home — present the very real possibility of unlawful and humiliating searches and seizures, as well as the … prospect of arrest and jail time for unpaid fines and fees,” the lawsuit claims.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York City-based law firm of Simpson Thacher & Bartlett filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jackson against Sheriff Randy Tucker and his deputies.

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

 

[EverCurious]

uhm maybe they should pay their fees and fines like all the other people who don't get arrested for unpaid fees and fines? Just a thought...

 

[Ringel05]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

Blacks arrested 5 times more than whites in Madison County, lawsuit says

may 8 2017 A class-action lawsuit filed Monday accuses the Madison County Sheriff’s Department of targeting black residents with unconstitutional and sometimes violent searches and seizures, arresting them at nearly five times the rate of white residents.

“Simple daily activities — such as commuting to work, grocery shopping, visiting friends and family, attending church, or even sitting on the steps outside one’s own home — present the very real possibility of unlawful and humiliating searches and seizures, as well as the … prospect of arrest and jail time for unpaid fines and fees,” the lawsuit claims.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York City-based law firm of Simpson Thacher & Bartlett filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jackson against Sheriff Randy Tucker and his deputies.

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

 

[shockedcanadian]

So by this logic they should be suing every American city in which there is a higher percentage of Whites who are in the top 1% of wealth. Or maybe the ACLU should be sued if they don't have a proper and equal distribution of all races, religions and political beliefs within their ranks.

This organization can play a role, I don't think this is one function they should be involved in, unless they have specific and credible evidence of a specific bias.

Certainly racism is not something that has been eradicated anywhere. Going to court requires a specific level of evidence, not just results that don't delve deeper into the socio-economic disparities and the like. As former Chief Brown said from Dallas, you can't place all of societies problems on the police. They respond to calls as they come.

 

[Aries]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

Blacks arrested 5 times more than whites in Madison County, lawsuit says

may 8 2017 A class-action lawsuit filed Monday accuses the Madison County Sheriff’s Department of targeting black residents with unconstitutional and sometimes violent searches and seizures, arresting them at nearly five times the rate of white residents.

“Simple daily activities — such as commuting to work, grocery shopping, visiting friends and family, attending church, or even sitting on the steps outside one’s own home — present the very real possibility of unlawful and humiliating searches and seizures, as well as the … prospect of arrest and jail time for unpaid fines and fees,” the lawsuit claims.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York City-based law firm of Simpson Thacher & Bartlett filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jackson against Sheriff Randy Tucker and his deputies.

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

 

[Silent Warrior]

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

 

[Ringel05]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

Blacks arrested 5 times more than whites in Madison County, lawsuit says

may 8 2017 A class-action lawsuit filed Monday accuses the Madison County Sheriff’s Department of targeting black residents with unconstitutional and sometimes violent searches and seizures, arresting them at nearly five times the rate of white residents.

“Simple daily activities — such as commuting to work, grocery shopping, visiting friends and family, attending church, or even sitting on the steps outside one’s own home — present the very real possibility of unlawful and humiliating searches and seizures, as well as the … prospect of arrest and jail time for unpaid fines and fees,” the lawsuit claims.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York City-based law firm of Simpson Thacher & Bartlett filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jackson against Sheriff Randy Tucker and his deputies.

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

 

[Aries]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

Blacks arrested 5 times more than whites in Madison County, lawsuit says

may 8 2017 A class-action lawsuit filed Monday accuses the Madison County Sheriff’s Department of targeting black residents with unconstitutional and sometimes violent searches and seizures, arresting them at nearly five times the rate of white residents.

“Simple daily activities — such as commuting to work, grocery shopping, visiting friends and family, attending church, or even sitting on the steps outside one’s own home — present the very real possibility of unlawful and humiliating searches and seizures, as well as the … prospect of arrest and jail time for unpaid fines and fees,” the lawsuit claims.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the New York City-based law firm of Simpson Thacher & Bartlett filed the class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Jackson against Sheriff Randy Tucker and his deputies.

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

 

[Ringel05]

Blacks also collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. And then there is affirmative action. With all the special treatment they get, blacks need to stop complaining.

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

In this day and age we can't. Not because racism abounds but because it's a political hot potato and in such a situation people typically look for paradigm reinforcement and bias justification, that includes some of those on both sides who conduct "studies". Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

 

[Aries]

Blacks are arrested at much higher rates almost everywhere. Blacks are more tightly policed, as they always have been. The police force has always been used to keep black bodies in bondage, nothing new here. I am interested to follow this lawsuit.

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

In this day and age we can't. Not because racism abounds but because it's a political hot potato and in such a situation people typically look for paradigm reinforcement and bias justification, that includes some of those on both sides who conduct "studies". Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

It probably easy for someone to minimalize something they have not experienced...

 

[Ringel05]

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

In this day and age we can't. Not because racism abounds but because it's a political hot potato and in such a situation people typically look for paradigm reinforcement and bias justification, that includes some of those on both sides who conduct "studies". Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

It probably easy for someone to minimalize something they have not experienced...

Just as it's easy for someone to over emphasize it because they have. I've seen it first hand, I've experienced it first hand but those incidences were few and far between. The media and politicians focus on controversy and the vocal minorities from all sides, it's extremely easy to draw incorrect conclusions based on being bombarded with such "information" if one isn't paying attention. My personal rule of thumb is to take what either side espouses and divide it in half to get a more honest picture.
By the way, you want to find overtly racist cops? Check out NYC, some of the most racist cops I ever met were from NYC and all of them have suffered at least one injury or lost a friend due to black criminals so of course their outlook is going to be racist. Not excusing it simply acknowledging where their bias comes from.

 

[Aries]

almost anywhere you look, regardless of population demographics blacks are far more likely to be arrested.


(1) If a black person and a white person each commit a crime, the black person is more likely to be arrested. This is due in part to the fact that black people are more heavily policed.
Black people, more often than white people, live in dense urban areas. Dense urban areas are more heavily policed than suburban or rural areas. When people live in close proximity to one another, police can monitor more people more often. In more heavily policed areas, people committing crimes are caught more frequently. This could help explain why, for example, black people and white people smoke marijuana at similar rates, yet black people are 3.7 times as likely to be arrested for marijuana possession. (The discrepancy could also be driven by overt racism, more frequent illegal searches of black people, or an increased willingness to let non-blacks off with a warning.)


(2) When black people are arrested for a crime, they are convicted more often than white people arrested for the same crime.
An arrest and charge does not always lead to a conviction. A charge may be dismissed or a defendant may be declared not guilty at trial. Whether or not an arrestee is convicted is often determined by whether or not a defendant can afford a reputable attorney. The interaction of poverty and trial outcomes could help explain why, for example, while black defendants represent about 35% of drug arrests, 46% of those convicted of drug crimes are black. (This discrepancy could also be due to racial bias on the part of judges and jurors.)



(3) When black people are convicted of a crime, they are more likely to be sentenced to incarceration compared to whites convicted of the same crime.
When a person is convicted of a crime, a judge often has discretion in determining whether the defendant will be incarcerated or given a less severe punishment such as probation, community service, or fines. One study found that in a particular region blacks were incarcerated for convicted felony offenses 51% of the time while whites convicted of felonies were incarcerated 38% of the time. The same study also used an empirical approach to determine that race, not confounded with any other factor, was a key determinant in judges’ decisions to incarcerate.

Black Crime Rates: What Happens When Numbers Aren't Neutral | HuffPost

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

In this day and age we can't. Not because racism abounds but because it's a political hot potato and in such a situation people typically look for paradigm reinforcement and bias justification, that includes some of those on both sides who conduct "studies". Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

It probably easy for someone to minimalize something they have not experienced...

Just as it's easy for someone to over emphasize it because they have. I've seen it first hand, I've experienced it first hand but those incidences were few and far between. The media and politicians focus on controversy and the vocal minorities from all sides, it's extremely easy to draw incorrect conclusions based on being bombarded with such "information" if one isn't paying attention. My personal rule of thumb is to take what either side espouses and divide it in half to get a more honest picture.
By the way, you want to find overtly racist cops? Check out NYC, some of the most racist cops I ever met were from NYC and all of them have suffered at least one injury or lost a friend due to black criminals so of course their outlook is going to be racist. Not excusing it simply acknowledging where their bias comes from.

I am a new yorker and know all about NY cops. I have witnessed my husband face their racism and I have been assaulted by police twice. They are out of control.

 

[Ringel05]

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

In this day and age we can't. Not because racism abounds but because it's a political hot potato and in such a situation people typically look for paradigm reinforcement and bias justification, that includes some of those on both sides who conduct "studies". Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

It probably easy for someone to minimalize something they have not experienced...

Just as it's easy for someone to over emphasize it because they have. I've seen it first hand, I've experienced it first hand but those incidences were few and far between. The media and politicians focus on controversy and the vocal minorities from all sides, it's extremely easy to draw incorrect conclusions based on being bombarded with such "information" if one isn't paying attention. My personal rule of thumb is to take what either side espouses and divide it in half to get a more honest picture.
By the way, you want to find overtly racist cops? Check out NYC, some of the most racist cops I ever met were from NYC and all of them have suffered at least one injury or lost a friend due to black criminals so of course their outlook is going to be racist. Not excusing it simply acknowledging where their bias comes from.

I am a new yorker and know all about NY cops. I have witnessed my husband face their racism and I have been assaulted by police twice. They are out of control.

I agree with you on that one. All I'm pointing out is bias formation based on personal experience, political affiliation and perceived levels of incidences built upon personal projected expectations of the whole.

 

[Godboy]

Does racism exist? Of course it does. Dose racism exist to the degree some claim it does? Of course not. Are many incidences that are called racist in nature by some truly racist? No but that does not mean all such incidences are not racist.
The poverty - incarceration ratio is a given and in most cases is not due to racial bias though many wish to claim it is. As for specific types of arrests whether someone is let of with a warning or not is most often determined by extenuating circumstances (other illegal issues at play during the arrest) that rarely includes racism, the existence of a warrant, evading arrest, illegally carrying a concealed firearm, other items indicating felony distribution, etc. These other indicators are often omitted from some "studies" because they're looking for a one item/issue cause.

Funny that nobody has mentioned what proportion of crimes are committed by blacks as opposed to whites. Using only half a formula is like saying the moon is half as big as the earth, but it's twice as far away.

when blacks are far more likely to be arrested how could we get an accurate assessment of such?

In this day and age we can't. Not because racism abounds but because it's a political hot potato and in such a situation people typically look for paradigm reinforcement and bias justification, that includes some of those on both sides who conduct "studies". Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

It probably easy for someone to minimalize something they have not experienced...

Just as it's easy for someone to over emphasize it because they have. I've seen it first hand, I've experienced it first hand but those incidences were few and far between. The media and politicians focus on controversy and the vocal minorities from all sides, it's extremely easy to draw incorrect conclusions based on being bombarded with such "information" if one isn't paying attention. My personal rule of thumb is to take what either side espouses and divide it in half to get a more honest picture.
By the way, you want to find overtly racist cops? Check out NYC, some of the most racist cops I ever met were from NYC and all of them have suffered at least one injury or lost a friend due to black criminals so of course their outlook is going to be racist. Not excusing it simply acknowledging where their bias comes from.

I am a new yorker and know all about NY cops. I have witnessed my husband face their racism and I have been assaulted by police twice. They are out of control.

I wish i could blame it on racism every time i fuck up.

Cops arent walking around targeting random black people in NY, so you can just stop with that bullshit. If you were assaulted by police TWICE, obviously its because you just cant seem to behave. You are the reason societies need police.

 

[WEATHER53]

It's one of these really hard things to figure out
Jackson is a racist insult to blacks as its long form name is Jacks Son and black males don't have many sons with their name attached. The town name should be changed to Kwameson and that should help things
OR
They are arrested more frequently because they commit crimes more frequently

Anybody else have a resolution to this tainted mess???????

 

[ShootSpeeders]

uhm maybe they should pay their fees and fines like all the other people who don't get arrested for unpaid fees and fines? Just a thought...

Remember ferguson MO where that black judge just CANCELLED all the outstanding arrest warrants?. Blacks are counting on another judge doing that.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

In Jackson the black population makes up almost 80% of the population.......... I would think that alone would explain the arrest disparity, not the "cops are racist" or "all blacks are on welfare" moronic mantra.

The article says "rate" so it doesn't matter what %age of the city is white.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

. Racism is not as rampant as the media, politicians and political action committees would have us believe but it still exists which is why they continue to utilize it as a "talking point" which in and of itself blows it out of proportion.

BS - racism is everywhere but it's now called affirmative action. Every college is forced to take black students over more qualified whites and every city and large business is required to hire blacks over more qualified whites.