ACLU Sues CA schools

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    Suit alleges Calif. schools charging illegal fees - BusinessWeek

    I believe it is unreasonable to charge students for textbooks. But with that said, uniforms and school supplies have always been the responsibility of the parents. And many, many schools across the country are charging for extra curricular activities.

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    This is a terrible idea, chanel...remember what the damned things cost in college? I agree with you about uniforms and extra-curricular activities...but books?
     
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    Yes, our school is charging fees now. I contacted the superintendent last week about that. I asked him if there was a fund to assist less-privileged students, because I couldn't see how they can afford all these fees and expenses. It cost me $120 just to get my daughters started in fall sports, not including the equipment costs, only the fees. Economically struggling families just can't afford this.

    There is a small fund for those who qualify for free or reduced lunches, he stated. I suggested that he publicize this fund because not everyone is economically suffering. I sent a $150 contribution. I hope the school takes some action to raise more money, because this is a serious problem for struggling families.
     
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    Public schools can only charge for LOST books. They can charge for team sports as far as I am concerned. Any activity the school mandates can not be charged to the student. I believe elective courses that do not advance a student towards requirements for Graduation can have a fee associated with EQUIPMENT used but still can not charge for books.

    I believe the ACLU will win on several points and lose on several points.
     
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    I agree with everyone else that's posted, so far ~

    textbooks should be free unless a replacement is required due to loss or defacement,

    but all of the rest of the expenses SHOULD be borne by the families.

     
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    Which is it? The government spends TOO much money on schools, or not enough so the parents have to make up the difference.

    Here in Indiana some districts are doing the same thing, haven't heard of any lawsuits yet but now I'm sure there will be.
     
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    Face it - the ACLU would sue a floating feather for landing on someone's shoulder (unconstitutional invasion of personal space due to failure to file a flight pattern).

    As for school costs, it's like everything else that's "free" ... there are no free rides ... somebody somewhere is going to pay a cost. There's even a cost for not not teaching children jack ... it's called incompetent teachers' salaries. The largest cost though is paid by the students themselves - they end up with little to no real education and have to pay the consequences.
     
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    Pens, paper, notebooks and such are of nominal cost and necessary for all students. It is the parents resposibility to supply such items to their child(ren); but, punishing a child for having an irresponsible parent seems to me rather callous.
    As for extra curricular activites, I have always wondered why they are considered beyond the scope of normal curriculum.
    The arts, sports and clubs (science, computers, chess, wood working, etc.) open the world to the eyes of students and many times lead to a life-long interests and a viable vocation or healthful avocation.
    IMO the curriculum beginning in the sixth grade should include a required course of instructon in 'extra' enrichment (ideally I believe school should be open until 6 PM every day)
    Now don't panic. I'm not suggesting the classroom teacher remain on campus and be responsible for the enrichment programs.
    Here's what I think:
    Schools need to make sure all kids who are able can read, write, speak and compute by the beginning of the 6th grade. No social promotion, and no 'report' cards; simply set a standard for reading comprehension, computation and behavior. Kids progress with their age group or not.
    Schools Districts do a poor job of working with other agencies, the classroom teacher need not waste time on a disruptive student; county offices of social service, probation and health ought to have an equal role in working with and 'teaching' students; high school students whose 'extra' curricular interests coincide with teaching might be brought in to work with slower students, or those who need individual attention to stay focused, and they would earn high school credits in doing so; interns working on MFT's hours may be brought in to work with kids and families. I know some of this is done, but it is not common and ought (IMO) be universal.
    Sports ought to be fun and less competative (for most) in the 6th - 8th grade and when practical be Co-Ed. Learning to play with, become friends with and understand the differences between the sexes would (again IMO) reduce the angst of preteens and teens. Softball, volleyball, tennis, soccer, basketball.
    Again, high school athletes can be brought in to teach, umpire (referee) and coach, earning HS credit and points for their college applications.
    Maybe if schools operated differently there would be less need to dress the kids in uniforms. It's ironic, conservtives applaud individuality, yet want the kids to look the same and learn in the same way - that ain't going to happen. Even in uniforms kids will make them individualistic and when punished for being a kid will be turned off by school.
     
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    In the U.S., spending per pupil in constant dollar terms has more than tripled since the 1960s. Back then, text books were provided. Why is it, that with over $7,000 more per pupil in Real Dollars, there isn't enough for books?

    One answer:

    With a price tag of $578 million, the new Robert F. Kennedy Community Schools is an impressive building — perhaps indicative of what some call the Los Angeles Unified School District's edifice complex.

    Critics have already dubbed it the Taj Mahal. Built on the site of the former Ambassador Hotel, where presidential candidate Robert Kennedy was assassinated in 1968, the 4,200-student school is a monument to the fiscal irresponsibility and extravagance of the nation's second-largest school district.


    L.A.'s 'Taj Mahal' School's Real Cost - IBD - Investors.com


    CA is notorious for fancy administration buildings as welll as excessive superintendent and administrative staff for districts.
     
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    Don't forget EVERY State has inflated Administrator salaries...............adding to the school's budget costs.

    I teach in a 75 year old building without A/C with almost 800 students in it, so when I hear about these "Taj Mahal" schools I just have to laugh................ :rolleyes:
     
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